Christine Lagarde's "tough love" is an insult to Greece
By urging Greeks to pay up without whingeing the IMF chief has revealed her deep historical and cult.
By Alex Andreou Published 27 May 2012 14:41
You are crossing the road, a little absent-minded. About two-thirds of the way, you become aware of oncoming traffic. And right then, in that moment of panic, instead of speeding up to the safety of the near pavement, you freeze. Or, even worse, you try to turn and go back to where you came.
It is an illogical reaction to a simple, urgent problem. We’ve all done it. But when the head of the International Monetary Fund behaves in such a way, faced with the oncoming juggernaut of economic crisis, it is a source of deep concern.
In an interview for the Guardian, Christine Lagarde did exactly that. She chose to tell Greece it was payback time. “That’s right”, she said calmly, “Yeah.” She chose to talk about starving babies in sub-Saharan Africa to strengthen her call to Greece to stop whingeing and pay up. She chose to pinpoint tax evasion by a fraction of the population of a country which accounts for less than 0.5% of the world’s GDP as the sole source of the world’s economic woes. She chose to bury her head in the sand.
But, while her argument has been loudly lauded as “tough love” in many a luxurious Northern European dinner-party, over a glass of cheeky Beaujolais Nouveau, the most rudimentary scrutiny reveals it to be strategically, economically and intellectually flawed.
Her stance shows a complete misunderstanding of the psychology of a nation which has suffered nearly five years of recession and the severest of austerity cuts; a nation which is increasingly and vocally rejecting foreign interference and which is being pushed to political extremes in the upcoming election.
What was the idea, strategically, behind such a statement? If anyone seriously believed that having a representative of the IMF – the Grand Protector of the financial status quo – tell Greece to put up and shut up, would have the effect of encouraging people to vote for centrist pro-austerity parties, then they understand the mood there even less than I thought.
There are very few ways one could make such a move even more cack-handed. One could choose, as the vessel of such sentiments, an ex-Finance Minister of a Eurozone country; perhaps someone who left France with its highest deficit in 60 years. One could choose someone currently under investigation for not just one but two cases of fraud in shady financial deals. One could even accompany this interview with a pictorial which showed her dispensing thrift advice, while displaying a deep tropical tan, heavy jewellery and expensively tailored clothes.
And from such a throne of non-credibility, came the attractively packaged but intellectually hollow arguments.
First, the insidious idea that the misery engulfing the people of any nation is to be ignored, on the basis that there is even worse misery elsewhere. That in some way helping Greece – a member of the European Union for thirty years – is a direct alternative to helping “little kids from a school in a little village in Niger”. There is no such proposed programme to help little kids in Niger, you understand. This is a fictional programme, part of the IMF’s varied portfolio of fictional charitable work, that could, possibly, maybe happen, if only Greeks stopped being so selfish.
The hollow nonsense continued to flow freely. Faced with the question of women without access to a midwife when they give birth, patients dying without access to drugs, the elderly dying alone for lack of care and children starving, Lagarde’s response is simply to say that it is very easy for them to help themselves. How? "By all paying their tax. Yeah."
That’s right. Because, plainly, it is the same mothers without access to midwives, the elderly without care, the sick who cannot afford the newly introduced €5 hospital admission fee, the children without food, who have hoards of taxable income and are busily trying to send it to banks in Switzerland, while starving. Greece as one homogenous, tax-dodging mass responsible for its own downfall.
Which all enforces the grand illusion that all this is nothing to do with a global financial crisis, brought about by the very interests that the IMF represents. Instead, it was a Greek time-bomb waiting to explode. This, however, creates some difficulty in explaining the IMF’s assessment of Greece in May 2008. It boasted headlines like; “The Greek economy has been buoyant for several years and growth is expected to remain robust for some time”; “The Greek banking sector appears to be sound and has thus far remained largely unaffected by the financial market turmoil”; and “in view of Greece’s membership in the EMU, the availability of financing for the external deficit is not a concern”.
Presumably, what is implicit in Lagarde’s comments is: We got it wrong then, but you should take our advice now. We’re definitely, definitely right this time. The IMF is, after all, the forensic scientist of the world’s financial woes. “It's not either austerity or growth, that's just a false debate”, Lagarde explains. “Nobody could argue against growth. And no one could argue against having to repay your debts. The question and the difficulty is how do you reconcile the two, and in which order do you take them? I would argue that you do it on a country by country case.”
I invite Christine Lagarde to name one example, one country, one case where the IMF decided that repaying a debt came second to growth.
It certainly was not Malawi – ordered by the IMF to sell its grain reserves in 2001 to private companies in order to repay a debt with 56% interest (which it had been advised to take by the IMF); a move which directly caused hundreds of people to die the next year.
It certainly was not Argentina which, having been the busty centrefold of IMF policies throughout the 1990′s sticking religiously to all IMF advice – privatising everything but their anthem, liberalising industries, lowering corporation taxes while tightening public spending, suffered one of the most catastrophic economic collapses in 2001. The IMF demanded it got paid first and actively lobbied against discounts to creditors.
As a matter of fact, there appears to be not a single example of the IMF’s Structural Adjustment policies applied to a crisis situation where they haven’t brought more misery and stagnation. Its obsession with austerity has recently been described as “dangerous” for European recovery, by the OECD.
Nobel-winning Joseph Stiglitz, put it at its bluntest: “When the IMF arrives in a country, they are interested in only one thing. How do we make sure the banks and financial institutions are paid?... It is the IMF that keeps the speculators in business. They’re not interested in development, or what helps a country to get out of poverty.”
So, should we simply discount Christine Lagarde’s noisy drivel? Should we ignore the IMF’s advice altogether? That would be a mistake. This is, for instance, what they said about the UK economy: “The financial sector is strong and well supervised with a principle-based approach. The fiscal framework is good, and the mission focused on how to build fiscal cushions needed to respond to adverse shocks.”
They said this in 2007, a year before the entire house of cards collapsed on our heads – a collapse for which our children’s children will be paying, for many decades to come. The conclusion, therefore, must be that one should never ignore the IMF’s advice. One should study carefully what is being advocated, then do precisely the opposite.
Many Greek voters certainly plan to. That’s right. Yeah.
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I don't quite understand
In the article you say that is only a fraction of the population (that avoids paying income tax)........
We must be using different sources. The internet has lots of reports that detail the numerous ways that Greeks (not just a small fractionof the population)avoid paying income tax.. They should be expelled, unless they pay according to the agreement,which they will not. Then they can devalue their own currency and solve their onw problems as Argentina did
In the article you say that is only a fraction of the population (that avoids paying income tax)........
We must be using different sources. The internet has lots of reports that detail the numerous ways that Greeks (not just a small fractionof the population)avoid paying income tax.. They should be expelled, unless they pay according to the agreement,which they will not. Then they can devalue their own currency and solve their onw problems as Argentina did
"over a glass of cheeky Beaujolais Nouveau"
In May - puts the rest of your arguments into the dubious category
I had to share this, by way of update to my article.
Christine Lagarde, scourge of tax evaders, pays no tax
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/may/29/christine-lagarde-pays-no...
Interestingly, she does not avoid or evade paying tax, her international contract specifies she does not have a tax liability. Slightly different I believe from the implication of 'do as I say not as I do.
Interestingly, she does not avoid or evade paying tax, her international contract specifies she does not have a tax liability. Slightly different I believe from the implication of 'do as I say not as I do.
Yes, and therefore what? Therefore the Greeks have a right to evade taxes and rely other EU citizens money?
In my eyes you are all correct. Everyone sees things from their own point of view besides. The main point however is that no matter what happened it proved that capitalism as a global system has been as a failure as Socialism and Communism or any other man-made system. Have a look at the results. Then it's going to be Spain's turn, then Italy's, Portugal's etc. The system has failed us, it is corrupt at its core and we all know it deep down inside.
As far as Lagarde's interview is concerned, it is a huge blunter. Very stupid indeed. No matter what happens in Greece she should not have made those comments. It's like spitting on a dead corpse. She is only hiding behind what will follow, probably a systemic collapse caused by Greece's exit from the Euro. I personally believe that behind everything are the bankers and the huge corporations and now they are in deep shit.
In any case, let's see what will follow with the elections. In case of a collapse we are all on the same boat so maybe we should all grow up as nations and start blaming each other. We should start cooperating. And it starts from us, the real people. Not some corrupt politicians, bankers, corporate managers etc. These are my thoughts...
K
..."and start blaming each other." Sorry, I meant "and STOP blaming each other"
Sweet.
Sweet.
Please help greece Sign and forward the petition http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/save-democracy-in-greece-save-the-cr...
Christine - Heard of Algeria, Morocco and Vietnam. Yeah, France got kicked out of these countries just for being nice and charitable.
Patain, Lavel, Coco et al. What a record! And the Yanks and Brits with their post-war hand-outs after France's dubious history during World War Two. My, my, don't you have any regard for a nation down on its uppers.
In the initial stages of the Euro Zone launch, both France and Germany were both guilty of creative accountancy.
No doubt some in France and Germany have heard of Monaco, Swizzerland and, in this day and age, the Grand Duchy of Luxenbourg.
Look, you took no account of Alastair Darling or Gordon Brown. They gave you fair warning. Did you get your ducks in arow? No. A resounding negative.
And you were Minister of Economic Affairs etc .at the time.
Chic don't do it, Christine! What was that you said about the infallible Anglo-American economic model in 2008?
New Look
The deals brokered by the IMF are clubs used to batter economies open like piñatas. So what if you destroy health services, education systems, whole societies and ways of life? At least the rich get indulge their greed and gluttony.
Read Naomi Klein's 'The Shock Doctrine' if you have any doubt.
So Naomi will explain how you can run massive deficits for decades, and when you finally fall into bankruptcy its the IMF's fault?
By the way, are you showing your support by investing your life savings in Greek government debt?
"has been loudly lauded as “tough love” in many a luxurious Northern European dinner-party, over a glass of cheeky Beaujolais Nouveau"
Wouldn't you like to believe that. I think might find that the same sentiment prevails across Europe regardless of the level of income and choice of beverage.
Greek unions are right now telling people not only that they shouldn't pay their taxes, but that they shouldn't pay their utility bills or even highway tolls! So rather than a small elite of wealthy tax dodgers, Greece has decided that they don't particularly want to pay for anything at all. Why bother, when other Europeans will send their tax money to Athens to cover any gaps in funding?
If you think austerity is so stupid then fine, by why is it anyone else's responsibility to finance your stimulus? Greece would have collapsed two year ago had the EU and IMF not intervened. We are propping you up and you accuse us of starving your children.
Pathetic.
Hear hear, if it's not the Greeks paying these debts then who is to pay them? If the Greeks have a way out that doesn't involve other people funding it then away you go! Does anyone recall "He who pays the piper calls the tune?"
"We are propping you up and you accuse us of starving your children. Pathetic."
This is just not true! 86% of the last bailout went straight to French and German banks in interest payments!
You are propping up these banks not the Greeks.
John
Even if we wrote Greek debt down to zero you would still be running a deficit and you would therefore still need to borrow money to pay public sector salaries. Do you understand - even without the interest on existing debt, you still need to keep borrowing money to keep your country running, and nobody wants to lend it to you except the IMF and the EU. You haven't the faintest clue what the real state of your finances are.
"86% of the last bailout went straight to French and German banks in interest payments!"
I love a made up statistic as much as anyone, but that really is ridiculous. French and German banks have taken 70% losses on Greek debt.
Where did you get the information that Greeks do not pay their utility bills because they do not want to? The bills are not paid because they do not have any money, as a result of that these people are left with out electricity. If you do not pay your highway toll, you get the ticket at home, if you do not pay the metro or bus ticket you pay 30 times that amount. And PLEASE get your story right because you sound pathetic
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41723432/ns/business-world_business/t/i-wont...
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2012/05/23/fearing-eurozone-exit-more-gr...
My story is straight so I guess you must be the pathetic one.
Don't you see? Greeks won't pay for their own state. They want taxpayers in other countries to pay for it instead.
Whenevr someone says they've been insulted you know their case is weak. Come on, you tell us why Greeks don't pay their taxes? Why have they NEVER paid their taxes?
Read the news "mate", you are totally unaware of the socio-economical situation in Greece so shut it up you moron
Whenevr someone says they've been insulted you know their case is weak. Come on, you tell us why Greeks don't pay their taxes? Why have they NEVER paid their taxes?
i'm greek, and i have paid all my taxes. By doing that, I have lost a huge amount of money back then - because some dirty politician could put them in their pocket and especially now that i have to pay tax only because i breathe. You cannot blame each and every greek citizen just because the whole system was crappy. Not to mention that, i dare you to reply honestly on this one: if you lived under a system that were so crappy and someone told you, ''hey man, you can avoid paying taxes and keep on with your job/life and nobody gets hurt, what would you really really do?''
Actually yes you can. Democracy means government by the people, of the people, and for the people. If the Greek government isn't working, then the Greek people alone are responsible. And saying "everyone else is a crook so why shouldn't I be" is not an acceptable substitute for reforming the system.
I am as contemptuous of austerity as the next leftist, but the fact is that the Greek people, on the whole (obviously with noble exceptions such as yourself) have been taking the piss and now they're threatening to take an entire continent down with them. It's not okay. Greece is 100% in the wrong.
The real problem here is that the comments were made by someone who has a very one dimensional view of the problem. If this crisis is to sorted across the western world we need to stop people like her from running the insitutions that govern us.
Bankers govern us, they have paid no price for the incometence that they reeked on us, yest we allow them to continue to lord over us.
What a sad statement on our progress since 1945 that we have a society where a banker can be paid a £6m bonus and pensioners die of hypothermia.
Bankers come along and wreck our society and we allow them to tell us it was all our fault?
It seems Ms Lagarde is talking out of Gideons backside again!, because like her mate Gideon, she shows no humility, or empathy!!, she just gets a 'Shiver', also, like Gideon, she seems to think it`s the peoples fault for all their ills!, so should all be thankful for all the years of misery to come!.
By the way, the IMF is always spot on with its forecasts, isnt it!!, it knows the cost of everything, and the value of nothing?.
I think the last leader of the IMF, made the world 'Shiver', with what we know about him now!!
"question of women without access to a midwife when they give birth, patients dying without access to drugs, the elderly dying alone for lack of care and children starving" - as usually painting a magical image of Greece, that's why Langarde compared with Niger. Of course there's no comparison, wait till you see real famine
I have worked sports events for a major US network for 15 years. While expectations being low on the 2004 Olympics made them seem a success, given the absence of a catastrophe, almost every journalists I know who worked it was astounded at the lack of professionalism, really outright incompetence by the Greek government people working that mess. Essentially the enitre educated class of people in Greece is full of itself.
Legarde's critique may be too sweeping, I feel bad for the lower and low middle class population., but people who have had to interact with any bureaucrats, especially and ironically the western educated western appearing ones, is going to walk away spitting.
The biggest vaunted "success" of Greece, the 2004 Olympics was, in terms of organization, the most botched major international sporting event in decades -- the only success was that its problems were covered up by unprecedented money from Northern Europe.
I wasn't really painting anything, George. This were the matters put to her by the interviewer in the original interview.
Seems like Christine Lagarde's interview with the Guardian has backfired spectacularly and she now seems to be backtracking on her Greek tax avoidance comments - one wonders whether Lagarde pays the full whack of tax on her huge IMF salary?
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if she does avoid paying full taxes on her salary - the sickening stench of hypocrisy in our corrupt power structures and governmental institutions is now the norm rather than the exception.
The hypocrisy is laughable sometimes - Christine Lagarde making ridiculous claims that somehow the euro crisis is down to those troublesome Greeks not paying their full whack of taxes - claims she makes in an interview with one of Britain's biggest big tax dodgers - the Guardian Newspaper. LOL
Lol.Right on. I've read all the comments so far and you are spot on my friend...
K
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I m always surprised how british medias seem to be interested in european affairs while being reluctant to participate to the european solidarity. Germans and French might have "tough love" for their southern neighbours but at least they try to help them evolve to more modern society, with a more efficient tax levying system. Unlike your claims, evading taxes is a general concern that rots all mediterranean countries, with an average of 30% of the exchanges escaping all taxes.
It seems that this focus on european affairs is purposedly aimed to help alivieta the british population from its own debt problems and economy under recession. A behaviour that doesnt help building a stronger Europe facing the challenges of fast rising economic blocks. Instead of playing on division, it would be wiser to bet on Union and pay your share of european cohesion efforts.
"Germans and French might have "tough love" for their southern neighbours but at least they try to help them evolve to more modern society, with a more efficient tax levying system"
How exactly? France is just as happy to fiddle the EU institutions for it's own gain as anyone else. Like with the CAP.
This is just like the Sepp Blatter election at FIFA. When the Brits point out a clear incidence of corruption, it is they who are castigated, not the criminals invovled.
I'm probably one of the biggest Europhiles in this country, but I can definitely see why, beyond racism, xenophobia and everything else, people think the EU is more trouble than its worth.
Check which countries will be most impacted in case of greek/spanish default and you ll get the obvious answer to your falsly naive question.
I do agree the PAC should should have been abandoned long ago, it is one of the main sources of corruption in Europe and we our agricultural surpluses damage other continents food markets.
You can take your European wet dream and stick it firmly were then sun don't shine , but somehow i think you might enjoy the experience. Lets face it it's not the first time the French have bent over and took it up the backside.
More asinine crap from someone who clearly hasn't read the interview.
A balanced, nuanced article by an intelligent journalist of a strong woman who is trying to pick up the pieces for Greece, rather than just trying to pretend that 'more of the same' will get them out of the mess.
Is there a whiff of Vichy France about this statement of Christine's?
After all, Greece is the home of democracy and this fact should be remembered and honoured.
Guns of Navarone
I am a Greek/American living in Greece now for three years. The world honors the fact that Greece gave birth to Democracy, but how many more centuries will the Greeks ride this dying horse. Enough already, we do not live in ancient Greece, it's time to start living by example. We vote and choose a party, and then they pass laws protecting each other from previous crimes committed while in office. I don't call this a country of the people and for the people, but a country, of liars, and thieves that run our government for themselves not for the people.
I honestly think she was just buttering up the Germans, so that they'll pay, and she won't have to....
It's funny to see C. Lagarde use the example of Africa. As if IMF ever cared for little african babies dying of hunger, or for anybody dying of hunger, for that matter. If it is true that Greece needs to reform its institutions, be more civic as a whole, peremptory and arrogant statements like that will not do anything to improve the situation as a whole.
As a Greek, who works for 12 hours a day, I pay all my taxes, and in case you didn't know it, we are currently experiencing a tax-armageddon where for many people their tax bill exceeds their total income.
Greece is on the verge of calling it a day. There is a moment where you have to admit that the stability programme has FAILED. IMF was wrong on every single prediction by a wide margin.
IMF/EU/ECB in just two years managed to double debt to GDP, and triple unemployment from 7% to 23%.
The real problem with Greece is not tax-evation or lazy-Greeks drinking ouzo by the sun. These are silly stereotypes. All statistics prove that. The real problem with Greece is that it is not a Democracy. Greece is a crony-state, a "cleptocracy" and IMF gave money to a cleptocratic elite to continue partying using our pocket. Greece has serious problem and none of the real problems was addressed. The result now is a 1930's deep depression with on light at the end of the tunnel.
IMF knows the situation has passed the point of no return and these silly comments have a single purpose, to make Greece pull the trigger first.
I think the main point of the statements of Lagarde to us Greeks is to grow up! But in a country where being infantile is encouraged such advice is taken much the same way that any good advice is taken by a rebellious teenager, by revolting against it in a childish fit. The author sounds like he is one of the many (far too many) infantile disillusioned Greeks who believes that Greece is the victim here. Lagarde's error is not in saying what she said but the fact she said it. Facts are not what the average Greek wants to hear right now. She foolishly believed that the Greek populace is made up of responsible adults. Greeks crave victimisation, she should have put on a beret and raised her fist and promised leniency and forgiveness of the IMF loans until after the elections. Then after June 17 break her promises. This way she would get her way and still be the scapegoat of Greece. This would have been the best medicine for Greece.
The truth hurts. Not telling the Greeks that they are lazy, free-riding, tax-dodging, corrupt, living in the past and ungrateful... is doing them a diservice.
The truth hurts, we know, that is why Osborne and Cameron get so angry.
Glad to see you haven't fallen into the trap of stereotyping complete nations.