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On Labour Uncut, the Milibands and Diane Abbott

Yes DM may well win. But to say he "has won" may not help him

I have a strict policy of not responding to personalised blog stuff on the web. But given that I am such a fan of Labour Uncut, and given that it is so widely read in serious Labour circles, I have to respond to a passing reference in Dan Hodges's flowery piece today claiming I have argued that "Diane Abbott would prevail" in the Labour leadership contest. As it happens, I have long known that one of the Miliband brothers would be the next Labour leader, and was I think the first journalist to tip Ed Miliband as Gordon Brown's successor back in 2008 when the younger brother was barely on the leadership radar. Conversely, since the idea of Ed Miliband being next leader has become more conventional, I have been more torn about which brother will win, and repeatedly recorded David Miliband's successes in the campaign (incidentally all of this is different from who "should" win).

Now, it is true that I reported relatively early that Abbott looked like she would make the ballot paper, and then wrote a tongue-in-cheek blog reporting a Labour source explaining how she could win like Harriet Harman won the deputy leadership contest from the outside in 2007. Qualifying the blog with the headline "don't laugh", I concluded: "So, will Diane Abbott be the Harriet Harman of 2010? In reality, almost certainly not. But do not underestimate the unpredictability of this contest."

For the record, I do not think and never have thought that Abbott can or will win this contest. But there is -- still -- "unpredictability" over which of the Milibands will win. Which is why it is mildly odd that Hodges's piece, more importantly, is all about how David Miliband has already won. Nor, I suspect, is it particularly helpful to, er, David Miliband.

PS: Talking of LabourUncut, there was another interesting piece on there yesterday, this time by the new Labour MP Michael Dugher about the need for a move away from top-down leadership of the party. In it, Dugher wrote:

[The] new leader will not have the mandate - whoever wins - that either Tony Blair or Gordon Brown had. This has been a contest, not a coronation, and the outcome is likely to be very close.

I thought I'd mis-read this and my eyes had invented the "not" in the first bit of the sentence. Dugher is a very smart and rather wise guy, but surely the point about this new leader is that he will have a mandate that Brown -- and to an extent Blair -- lacked, as this is the first real contest since Michael Foot became leader in 1980. If David Miliband wins, he will be all the more powerful for having seen off a ruthless bid by the Ed Miliband team to beat him. If Ed Miliband wins, sources close to him say he will have the "mandate" to implement a leadership to the left of New Labour, contrary to the conventional view that he will bring his party back to the centre.

PPS: Look out for my tips for some unexpected names in the shadow cabinet, and some ones to watch along with a lengthy Harriet Harman interview in this week's magazine.

UPDATE: For the record, when I say that Ed Miliband may not lurch to the right if he wins, I am very much not buying into the "Red Ed" nonsense about him being a mad Trot who could never win an election.

Tags: Diane Abbott  Ed Miliband  David Miliband  Labour leadership

9 comments

sunderkatwala's picture

Of course Blair had a very strong mandate in 1994, winning strong majorities in all three sections against Prescott and Beckett, who were not negligible or fringe contenders, in the first OMOV election in the member and affiliate sections: the result was always clear because of the strength of Blair's support, so it seems perverse to argue that is not a mandate.

Similarly, the John Smith election was very one-sided (and the voting./counting system made it more so) but he hardly ended it short of a mandate, and certainly surely had a much stronger mandate in 1992 than Foot had in 1980.

The challenge to the Brown coronation, because the lack of a contest for a leader who would also be PM, is valid.

Yeti's picture

YES, here is today's David Miliband story!

Whew, i was wondering if it was actually going to happen. I should never have doubted it.

Dan Hodges's picture

James,

Sorry, wasn't trying to be personal; I'm a fan. Just trying to illustrate how perceptions and the nature of the contest have changed since the beginning.

And to be honest, I don't think David Miliband gives a toss what I write. It wont alter the result of the campaign one iota.

Dan

James4's picture

Thanks for that Dan. Know you weren't being personal -- just mean I don't repond to other stuff but as am fan of yours thought would briefly reply. And I note and admire your modesty but, surely you are seen as close to Jon Cruddas and the DM camp and your piece is getting a lot of notice! Cheers.
James

Dan Hodges's picture

Thanks.

Jon and David speak for themselves. Don't need me to do it for them.

Dan

Michael Dugher's picture

The reason why the new leader will NOT have a mandate like Blair and Brown is simple. Blair received the overwhelming support of the party when he was elected. The reason why Gordon Brown had a 'coronation' is because the PLP overwhelmingly endorsed him with non of the credible candidates choosing to stand against him, presumably because they knew they'd have no chance. This time no candidate has received the overwhelming support of the party. The PLP is split and the eventual victor, perhaps winning by a margin of 52 to 48% according to some polls, will have to work hard to win the support of the large number of people who did not put him (or her) first choice. That is also why there will have to be compromises on policy too. All the candidates have been winning support for some of their different ideas. Add that to the fact that the new leader will have an elected shadow cabinet, not one appointed by the leader. Hence why leadership this time will have to be more collective. All of which is a good thing for the party - and the new leader.

James4's picture

Thanks Michael. I hear what you say and see the argument, but surely you would accept that most people in Labour would agree with the point made by Charles Clarke and othersthat had Blair been challenged by Brown in '94 he would have emerged with a bigger and stronger mandate than he got. His lack of "mandate" in that sense caused many of the TB-GB problems. Similarly had Brown won a proper "mandate" from a full contest he might have been stronger.

Michael Dugher's picture

Hi there. Hear what you're saying. I think contests are a very good thing indeed. It gives any leader real legitimacy to have had to win a proper fight. Our new leader will have that. But if it obvious that most of the party did not vote for you as their first choice to be leader, as is likely to be the case this weekend, then you will not be able to claim a 'mandate' to do whatever you want and ignore the ideas or talents of your defeated rivals. You could argue that Blair had a bigger mandate because Gordon Brown gave him his support and chose not to stand against him. Brown himself would have certainly benefited from a proper contest in 2007 - his problem was that his opponents and critics chose neither to put up nor, sadly, to shut up. Talking of which, I'll shut up now.

robjam's picture

Can anyone join in?!!

At no point during his time as Leader of the Labour Party did Tony Blair conduct himself in such a way as to suggest that he (thought he) did not have a mandate. Nor was there a suggestion that, if he had won such a mandate, he would have acted any differently.

Any problems that Blair endured whilst leader; any problems Brown endured whilst leader; &, indeed, any problems that the relationship between the two of them endured; were in no way determined by, or influenced by, the processes by which either became leader.

In this, as in many other things, Charles Clarke is wrong.

On a more general point - the principle of mandates, & what they do or don't entitle governments or leaders to do, appears to be losing any traction whatsoever - after all, what mandate does the current coalition Government have for the majority of its policy proposals? & what difference is this making to the process of policy formation & implementation?

Your views may vary as to whether this is a desirable development...

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