Andrew Adonis is right
The Lib Dems have no ideological problem with huge cuts.
By James Macintyre Published 04 July 2010 14:26Today we learn that Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, is making a "shock" call for 40 per cent cuts across government departments. And, needless to say, David Cameron and the Tories are happy for such a demand to be coming from a figure inside the Liberal Democrats, who are there to provide cover for unpopular moves.
However, it should be noted that the "new" Lib Dems took an early decision actively to agree with the Tories over the need for cuts, one of the facts that will be brought out in the fascinating book being prepared by Andrew Adonis on the coalition talks in the immediate aftermath of the election.
The book will also smash the myth that the Lib Dems had "no alternative" other than to get into bed with the Conservatives.
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At least the Lib Dems have revealed their true colours. The sham of them being a touchy-feely left wing party can be ended. They are desperate to prove themselves more Tory than the Tories. We already have a Conservative party, we certainly don't need another one.
Simon, in dealing with the reasons why you feel Labour lost the election (which should not be taken that any other party won), I would reply:
(1) Labour was accused of only representing the working class, it needed to modernise which accounts for why it swept to power in a far more impressive way than how Cameron got over the threshold of number 10.
(2) The press have a mind of their own, they were very pro-labour after 18 years of the Tories. The papers will turn against the coalition once they realise how their sales plummet when the true impact is felt.
(3) Granted, but the Tories didn't do a great deal either did they?
(4) Let's not forget the banks were in charge of their own lending decisions and loved handing out the cash because it led to very lucrative business. It's also worthy of a mention that consumer lending hadn't been reformed until 2006 (under Labour); the previous act being the untouched Consumer Credit Act 1974.
(5) Partly granted but let's face it everyone with a property was lapping up the increase in values and the opposition wasn't exactly very vocal. House prices were mainly pushed up by low interest 'lend to anyone' mortgages in a 'buy now worry later' era.
(6) It was Maggie who pushed RTB and promoted the belief that everyone should own their own home. In effect the biggest social landlords are now the banks with huge numbers of ex LA properties on interest only mortgages. I agree lack of regulation was a problem but the voice of opposition was non too effective.
(7) The city does what it wants really doesn't it? Created by the Yuppie era of yesterday.
(8) The Liberals were indeed the only ones who stood against Iraq but the Tories didn't and you've bloodied your hands by joining them. This was perhaps the Liberals strongest strand of credibility but I think people losing their jobs under the coalition will feel just as angry with you as they did over Iraq so you've blown that one, you've also gone very quiet on Trident.
(9) Oh come on! How can you argue that one whilst allowing the fiddling Mr Laws to remain an 'honourable' MP after stealing 40K from us hard working tax payers? There is no party with any credibility on this one and to pretend otherwise only tarnishes the Liberals further.
(10) Did you say tuition fees? What is is that the coalition is doing. To be fair to Labour they did increase child tax credit & Child benefit entitlement to parents with a dependant in non-advanced education up to the age of 20. They also promoted a fair number of schemes to encourage students. It now seems to be accepted that higher education should be paid for once the recipient is earning above the threshold salary.
(11) Gordon Brown was one of the longest running chancellors this country has ever had, his management of the economy was acclaimed and the Tories agreed there was no alternative other than to bail out the banks. I agree he was never the right man for PM. It was often said how he was never elected, but then neither Cameron or Clegg got the keys to number 10 in a proper elected way did they?
You talk of 13 years of Labour as though it was all bad but that's not what the public thought was it when voting in successive elections?
Simon, seeing as you raise the very relevant issue of personal debt, I'd very much like to know what the coalition plans to do about it? The banks pleaded poverty on toxic debt but the truth is they are effecting a double recovery. Not only did they get the bail out from the Government but they continue to recover all they say is irrecoverable. Those billions of pounds owed by personal debtor's are being actively pursued by endless collection firms across the Nation. (I'm sure it'll be a boom business). Charges and compound interest add considerably to the amounts owed, not everyone evades recovery by declaring themselves bankrupt. The coalition's plans appear to be to limit funding to debt advice agencies at a time when they should be helping these people work out plans to repay what they borrowed. If there was a statutory freeze on interest many would be able to help the banks recoup what they over borrowed. It's a pertinent point because not one party has so far advanced any view as to how this money can be recovered slowly but surely from those that borrowed it? This should not provide commercial firms with an opportunity to make money by charging for unworkable proposals or costly IVA's?
We've just had 13 years of Conservative Government under Blue Labour - while it;s touching that so many of it's supporter want to go all progressive, the reality is Labour remains a Conservative Party.
Look at how Jack Straw is moving to bloc even a referendum on Alternate Vote. Look at how Ken Clarke is getting more stick from the Labour party than the Tories. Lok at how that nice Mr Blair is doing his bit to fuel inequality with his massive "earnings".
Having run up massive debts, it's a bit pathetic for Labour supporter to be moaning about the cuts. Cuts that wouldn't have had to be made had Gordon Brown got any sort of economic competance. He was the worse chancellor post 1945.
Hey ho the Adio !
As political prostitutes go there be few smarter than him !
Tom. There's cuts and there's butchering. Cameron and Clegg being the master butcher's!
In an interview with the Spectator in March (search for "Clegg: Heir to Thatcher?") Nick Clegg said that he intended to deal with the deficit with "purely cuts", any tax rise was to be turned into a tax cut elsewhere.
The Tories have taken the edge off of the Liberals.
I think you are overlooking the fact that the public may not have been too happy that the party that lost the election would have formed a coalition government. The Tory party got the largest number of seats and share of the votes. It was inevitable (in my opinion) that the Lib Dems would do a deal with the party that achived this. Nick Clegg said so during the election campaign.
I love coalition government. It is wonderful to have two parties working together. I shall vote accordingly next May as I am so tired of tribal politics. It seems so trivial at the moment when the country is facing huge problems to be inward looking.
@jane: Whoever can hold the confidence of parliament has "won" the election. If that had been Gordon Brown with Plaid/SNP/Green/Liberal support he would have won it every bit as much as David Cameron has.
Are you happy that the Liberals lied to us about their intentions in order to get more ministerial places? Pretending to disagree with the Tories about cuts this year? Are you happy that activists were sent out with the message that to cut this year would endanger the recovery just so that the Liberals could concede it to the Tories in discussion? According to senior Lib Dems in the Financial Times Vince Cable never actually believed what he was fighting the election on. Is that new politics?
I've written this elsewhere: They're working together in the same way that the gang in A Clockwork Orange worked together to beat up that homeless man.
Jane, Labour lost the election in the same way that the Tories and Liberals did; none of them got enough votes.
Before casting a vote on how well this coalition 'works together', I'd wait a little while longer before seeing what a disastrous effect all their most recent actions have upon our already fragile economy. Much as though Labour was unpopular (what government isn't after a 13 year period) let's not forget that we were coming out of a recession. It was a recession partly brought about by external forces; you've only got to look at other countries to see the global effect.
And when it comes to the Tribal argument, whilst Cameron and Clegg dance merrily around the wigwam, I don't exactly see any effort on their part to speak to Labour about all the good measures they've already put in place. Cameron pledged to ditch bureaucracy and has promptly proceeded to rewrite the statutes on laws that have already been repealed!
If i'd have boted for the libdems i#d be rather pissed off at this pathetic excuse for a gevernment,indeed thier one and only chance at government for a lifetime.
Nowhere in the crib sheet that was thier manifesto was any of this,utter drivel printed on recycled paper it seems to,(granted all manifestos are but at least some pledges come through),but these chaps take the biscuit they really do.
I have no doubt that the tories will cast them aside at the first sensible opertunity,to think otherwise is sheer folly,and rightly too the libdems have been useful but when the cuts bite they'll lose thier usefullnes ande be jetisoned like bad rubish in no way shape or form will there be a coalition come next election if any of the big 2 have enough votes it just wont happen.
So @jane i wouldnt get to used to this as it won't last and wont be repeated in a hurry either,unless of course theres another hung parliment,so i'd be making the most of this becuase as i say it won't last.
As for these 40% cuts i doubt they'll come more likely 15 to 20% in real terms still more than is needed but not a mad as this proposal
Whilst it is clear that no party won the GE it is laughable to suggest that a party that slumped to its lowest share of the vote since 1929 would have been accepted by the British people is, I'm afraid, laughable.
As a Lib Dem constituency chairman and someone who is broadly on the left of the party I would have preferred a coalition with Labour, but I get the feeling that Labour's decision not to implement the recommendations of the Jenkins report regarding AV+ is coming back to haunt them.
Labour did many good things in office, the record investment in public services being the main one. However, it should be remembered that the following cost Labour the election:
Disengagement from working class communities - a sense of they don't care about us
Timidity in the face of a right wing press
Lack of any discernible regulation regarding the banking industry, which helped to cause the current crisis
Record levels of personal debt
Allowing house prices to balloon out of all proportion and removing the possiblity of buying from many first time buyers
A social housing record that was worse than Thatcher
Lack of strong regulation regarding the City of London
Iraq
Various scandals (Eccleston, Mandelson, expenses - although this last is perhaps unfair as it was a plague on all parties)
Tuition fees
Gordon Brown and his lack of suitability for the role of Prime Minister
These are only some of the things that cost Labour the election, there was no betrayal by the Liberal Democrats that cost Labour office. Labour was ultimately compromised by the bad decisions they made over thirteen years.
Also, with regard to budget cuts, both Nick Clegg and Vince Cable stated that the cuts would come from the public sector. Cable was the only politician honest enough to say that no department should be ringfenced. Labour's lack of honesty regarding the budget cuts they would have had to made will also come back to bite them.
@simon: Let's nip this one in the bud right now. Labour's cuts would have met George Osborne's own goals. Anything above that is purely ideological.
They should never have gone Liberal in their economics, and I worry that too many liberals will flee the LibDems once the pain hits and further strengthen the Blairite Right of Labour.
I turns out the Lib Dems are worse that the Tories, worse than Thatcher. It is the greatest con ever.
If they were going to cut by 40% I feel we will be into dangerous water. The Poll Tax led to rioting. What for God's sake is their game?
It's all very well Liberals claiming the high ground and acting all holier than thou. Whilst Labour and the Tories did not fare well in the GE, the worst result was that of the Liberals.
At one time in the run up, the media weas hyping up Clegg as almost our new PM. Truth is that the Liberals have been in the middle of the road, straddling the central reservation, for so long that they never actually had any firmly held views of their own.
Clegg portrayed himself as the 'honest' guy but he has transpired to be downright deceitful in so many of the things he campaigned upon; he's a disgrace to what he purported to represent.
The sole reason the Liberals ditched all their views is because they fancied a spell in power and by hook or crook the only way they would ever have achieved it is by forming this awful alliance with the Tories. The one positive benefit the Liberals provided was a moderating force between far right and far left. The end result of all of this is that the Liberals have lost their identity forever and created a bigger gulf between those in power and those in opposition.
Yes, it's easy to say what the outgoing government did wrong but the Country needs this coalition to get it right; they've cut too soon and too deep.
Simon, you list spending on public services to be one of the better things that was attributable to Labour. So why defend an alliance which is hell bent on public service destruction and the annihilation of our welfare state?
This coalition has a duty to ensure that the cuts are constructive rather than destructive and should accept that a proper welfare state is an essential expense, not a disposable luxury.
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