Why can’t pathetic Buckingham Palace take a stand against Griffin?
It’s Question Time all over again.
By James Macintyre Published 15 June 2010 14:38
I have every respect for the Queen, but if Buckingham Palace does not find a backbone and start to ban the British National Party leader Nick Griffin from its charming little garden parties, I am going to conclude that she has been influenced by the zanier elements of the Windsor family.
The news that after last year's abortive invitation, Griffin will be attending such an event is shocking but unsurprising. After all, if he can feature on BBC's Question Time, why can't he attend a private event?
But the same argument applies against both: this Holocaust-denier does not lead a "normal" political party, even if he did become an MEP off the back of its 1.3 per cent supposed "breakthrough" last year.
A Buckingham Palace spokesman has said:
He [Griffin] was eligible to nominate himself as a guest as an elected member of the European Parliament. Buckingham Palace would not discriminate against elected representatives of the European Parliament.
Depressingly, it would be too much to expect Griffin and his rabble to be dismissed because they are racists. But what about the fact that a number of them are convicted criminals? Still, "Prince" Philip will have fun, what what?
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Dear will
Die please it very simple then the British public would'nt have to put up with clever little sh its like you that have ruined this country.
Thank You
Dear Mr Hitler,
I would consider dying, but then you died, and it didn't do you any good, so I don't think it would do me any good either.
Oh for goodness sake - what part of constitutional monarchy do people not understand?
The Queen cannot, *cannot* differentiate between legitimate political parties except on objective traits (ie. electoral success). If you want the BNP banned, etc, your beef is with the government, not with the Palace.
(Oh, and I don't, for one moment, think you don't know that - you'd just rather blame the monarchy than a Labour government that presided over the rise of the BNP as a credible force.)
When are the left/liberals/hand-wringers going to grasp the basic concepts of democracy?
Lots of people voted (freely - no guns/rifles/scimitars involved) for the BNP. Doesn't matter whether that is right or wrong, its a fact, get over it.
If James and the other political wimps can't handle that and out-argue Griffin, it doesn't say a lot for their own arguments does it? Perhaps they and the Billy-Braggs aren't actually right after all.
All Maj is doing is acting fairly and equally to a legitimate and supported political party leader, not endorsing him and his strutting supporters.
But then, equality and fairness are concepts in short supply amongst the leftards.
Jack Straw has said that he was influenced in his political thinking by Joseph Stalin. You know, the mass murder of (it is estimated) some 20 millions. Or 60 millions if we include all those who died in his Gulags.
In short an individual and a political ideology that make Hitler and his Nazis look like amateurs when it comes to killing and enslaving people.
Yet I have never heard any voices raised in this Journal (or elsewhere come to that) about the fact that this individual and others who are supporters of various bloody-handed Leftists right down to and including Cuba's Castro, populated the last government and no doubt frequented Buckingham Palace as if they owned it.
These 'anti Fascists' who want to ban people don't seem to realise just how fascist they themselves are.
'Ah would some Pow'r the giftie gie us..'
(Or something like that...)
When I said 'this individual and others..populated the last government', I meant of course Jack Straw and his sidekicks, not Joseph Stalin. Although some might have been pushed to tell the difference.
Obvious, really.
Oh do behave. They're a legitimate political party and Brenda is the last person in the country who gives a monkeys.
The reason is James, you would write a blog labelled 'Why does Buckingham Palace make the silly choice to politicise a TEA PARTY??'
As Mr DtP says above they are a legitimate party and all MEP's are invited.
But - to those above - does anyone really want the BNP lingering in our politics, like a bad smell that points to something rotting?
The legitimacy we give it through these things only gives it - well - legitimacy. I know we talk about how important it is to have free and fair elections, to give everyone a say, that we should all lock up First Past The Post and throw away the key into the river of political progress - though perhaps the best argument for FPTP is, after all, that it doesn't let the atavism of the BNP in - but isn't there a better way? What would happen if, lo and behold, we barred the BNP from our politics? The garden parties of His Mad Hatterness might not do the trick, but what if - scary and maybe radical as it sounds - we blocked them from Europe, or from Westminster, or from local councils? What if every vote for the BNP was a wasted vote: what if supporting Nick Griffin didn't mean having your say, but having no voice in the ballot at all? That gives us three things: a disincentive to vote for them; no BNP in elected politics; and the only votes discarded are those of the mad hatters who never really should have had a say anyway? And cui bono? Britain.
I have no respect for the Queen, I want a republic. The misery of coalition cuts will ruin the lives of millions and the resultant poverty certainly shorten the lives of many thousands of people. Why are these people more 'worthy' than a few tin-pot blackshorts? Ghastly as the BNP are, as you rightly point out, they are a statistical irrelevance. These parties are standard state procedure. Chill.
Malc, I have to ask who gets to decide which parties should have their votes dismissed. Obviously I think it should be me, but there may be a few (misguided) individuals out there who disagree.
The point of a functioning democracy is that the views of the electorate get expressed, and sadly there are people out there who agree with MR Griffin's points of view. The real question is how we can change those that viewpoint to a slightly more tolerant one.
Or else we just throw all BNP voters out of the country... Hang on, I've heard a similar idea somewhere before...
And I agree with writeoff - chill. It's not like Nick and Betty sitting down to a nice cuppa's actually going to change anything.
I have to interject here. The BNP are in no way a 'legitimate' political party. The level of violence, secrecy and corruption perpetrated by these Nazi scum is intolerable and the fact that they are allowed to operate with near impunity by hiding behind their 'political party' status is disgusting. Have we forgotten that these are the same National Front Nazis who organised in racist street armies in the 80s? Just because they wear suits now doesn't mean they are any less vile.
Really does sound like a storm in a teacup. Why would the Palace take a stand to block an MEP attending a tea party? We would then start asking questions as to why they are meddling in politics. If there is a voting mechanism that puts Griffin in Europe then Bucks Fizz have to respect that.
Haha, a Tempest in a teacup.
I'm no fan of the nasty nazis, far from it, but rules is rules, they can't be changed at our whim. I just hope other guests turn their back, and Lillibet is kept from shaking hands, as a matter of taste.
This is one of the most anti-democratic things I've ever read. Like it or not, Nick Griffin has a democratic mandate, the notion that he should be shut out of an event which other individuals of the same position are welcome to attend is obscene. What's even worse is the notion that the Queen, who has no mandate should be allowed to decided which elected officials are and aren't legitimate.
Dear Will
It may not make either of us feel any better.But it would benefit the people of Britain once people like yourself are eradicated?
Mehdi -- You can prefer the principle of a monarchy over a republic, without liking the Windsor family.
we or should i say you are all forgetting 1 fundaMENTAL point,the bnp's members called our queen a TRAITOR,nobody in that Klan apologised so to me they CONdone whats been said,they incite violence,they are a cancer in our country.so readers it seems certain people in our society are silent,polite racists this is why i say we are living in a INSTITIONILIZED SOCIETY.IF IT WASN'T FOR ANTI NAZI GROUPS WHO SEEN SENSE WE WOULD HAVE MORE griffinites lying and manipulating the very citizens who fought and died so bravely to keep out HITLER.i wonder why certain readers use excuse their a legitimate party when in actual FACT,they abused our CONstitution to get into mainstream politics by DEFAULT.FACT
Why it is politically correct to oppose someone who has Britain and the British at heart escapes me! Take any party, or group, everyone will disagree with some of the ideals and methods, but in general, what is wrong with being British and proud of it? What is wrong from trying to prevent the country being overrun with foreigners? Why should we dilute our customs, and practices, and make allowances for aliens so as to discriminate against our own people. Why should we appologise for the actions of those that went before us? Often a long time before us.Why decry the "hoodies"( as I do) and not forbid the birkah .
When there is trouble as their was in Toxteth, for example, the police went in and arrested all they could catch, and made it known that trouble would not be tolerated. They didn't go and have a chat with the local elder, or headman, and ask if he could "have a word".
we need a little uniformity,we need to have our own standards back and have conformity from these aliens. Time the do gooders thought about our country, while it still remains our country. Don't worry about the taliban, and war, we are being ABSORBED gradually, but quite quickly, our culture is going, the language is being diluted, innit.
Go to the garden party Nick, and enjoy it whilst we still have garden parties.I remember hearing a radio show, a comedy show, probably in the 5 0's, when we had a little freedom of speech. the gist, then, was that we were being gradually absorbed, and the joke was that in a few years time the queens speech would go along the following lines. She would introduce herself thus," Ello diss am yo queen speaking"Well we are not far away, are we?
im pretty sure that the Queen and Buckingham Palace are not allowed to get involved with the politics of the UK she isnt allowed to say anything and he is a Politcaly Elected MEP unlike David Cameron who was brought in by another party and not the voters so we got another Prime Minister that was not ellected in by the voters how about you speak about that this aint news its just another arm of the P.C powers that be to yet try and fail agains in there trials to harm the BNP i also like how when you question the so called UAF they blocked you they think like you NewStatesman that they are the only ones that are allowed the voice its people like you and the UAF who are the real facisct
It's not for Her Maj to decide which elected politician should be cold shouldered on the grounds of his holding unacceptable views. What next? David Cameron snubbed because his 'Tory cuts' will lead to public-sector riots and social breakdown? Anyway, if Queeny's loyal subjects hadn't voted for Griffin in the first place she wouldn't be in this awkward situation. Blame democracy.
What a completely inane ramble.
James Macintyre - 0 Votes
British National Party - ~1M votes
Who has the right to attend James?
BNP is not a legitimate political party. they are fascist . They don't deserve to be in England. We are peaceful people. We love people from all Faiths. I respect Queen but I think she shouldn't invite Griffin in her Palace.
I agree that with those who pointed out the Queen has to remain politically neutral, and if this means paying the same respects to the BNP as to less objectionable parties then so be it.
Which value is more important? A constitutional monarchy that does not interfere in its subjects' right to self-government, or stopping a man with small-minded views from attending a tea party.
I also believe that if we really want to defeat the BNP then the more exposure they get the better. It'll stop them from claiming they are discriminated against and it'll force them to talk about their views in open debate where they will quickly be shot down instead of through press releases and word of mouth where no-one can argue back.
Pete, zero for such a pointless post.
GET OVER IT YOU PATHETIC LITTLE TERMITES,I HOPE YOU ALL IMPLODE ON YOUR CRASS IDEALISM OF A HAPPY LITTLE WORLD.''IT DOESNT EXIST IDIOTS IT DOESNT EXIST''
T.W.A.T.S
barring him would just make him more glamourous. The Queen has had an endless array of murderers and human rights abusers to stay overnight at Buckingham Palace from undemocratic regimes such as Zimbabwe, China, the UAE, I dont think Nick Griffin is by any means the worst person she has ever had in her garden. At least he was democratically elected unlike Mugabe. One cannot start singling out those who dont 'deserve' to meet royalty? She is above politics - as it should be.
Dear Mr Hitler... if that is indeed your real name...
I think you'll find if you read the comments... if indeed you can read; that most liberals are in agreement that you cannot discriminate against a democratically elected political, no matter how much you might despise them.
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