Echoes of the 1970s and 1980s as Labour MPs choose to indulge in opposition
Purists and clever theorists are putting what they wrongly see as their interests above those of the
By James Macintyre Published 11 May 2010 13:47
If the latest reports are correct, the Liberal Democrats are now swinging back to the Conservatives, with whom they may even strike a deal today. If that is the case, and the progressive alliance representing the progressive majority in the UK is to go down as nothing more than a dream, there is one group to blame above all others: those Labour MPs who are giving up and backing a Tory government.
One senior back-channel negotiator for the prog-alliance tells me: "They want to go into opposition. It reminds me of 1979, when Labour thought it was better to go into opposition because it thought Margaret Thatcher would be in for a short period while it regrouped -- and then, 18 years later . . ."
Throughout the 1980s, there were still some who sought ideological purity over a compromise with the electorate. Labour figures who want to go into opposition to "renew" are a combination of purists on the left and figures on the right who either are driven by their hatred of Gordon Brown or take part in clever-clever discussions about seminars instead of recognising their duty to govern. From a Labour point of view, after all, surely it is better for the country to have Labour cuts inflicted on it, rather than Tory cuts.
But these MPs appear to prefer what they (probably wrongly) perceive as their own, short-term interests to those of the country.
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" the progressive alliance representing the progressive majority in the UK"
No it does not. If that was the case they would have stood together at the election as this. They didn't as it would not have worked. The majority of people would not call this "progressive"
Beak, when you add the figures together they DO represent most of the UK. The fact remains, that they are all separate parties so will not stand together at election, only in a coalition.
Can somebody please tell me what is progressive about a party that wants to increase the limit on detention without charge to over a month, introduce compulsory ID cards, has introduced trials without jury, has put nearly a million people people who have never been charged with any crime on the police DNA database and has gone on an illegal military conquest that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives...... Anyone?
Beak is right of course. Sure you can make the numbers mean anything, but the words progressive alliance and coalition were not mentioned during the campaign even though a hung parliament was always the most likely outcome. In fact Clegg went further saying that the party winning the most seats had the moral first right to govern.
Having discovered rather belatedly that they are in fact inextricably linked, that they share a vast common agenda and that what the people want is a progressive alliance between them, can we now safely assume that this is the platform on which Lab and Lib Dem will fight the next election? Incidentally, I am sure that the Liberal Party is thrilled to bits that the Labour Party constantly refers to an alliance with them rather then the better known Lib Dems.
You've got it arse over tit, Macintyre. These Labour rebels are being asked to climb into Mandy's kamikaze plane and they are rightly telling him to piss off.
If this situation tells us anything it is that the word "progressive" should not be used.
Hack, you speak mucheo sh*teo when talking about a Progressive Alliance. Its a left-wing alliance.
I agree with Frederick Chichester's analysis... it is the LP activists and voters who are being shafted by Mandelson et al.
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James MacIntyre has got one thing definitely correct. Labour supporters should not underestimate the liklihood that once in office the Conservatives will hold on to it for a long time. Many people were deluded in thinking that Margaret Thatcher and her neo-con ideas were just a flash in the pan. They were very wrong.Because of the cultural biases of contemporary society neo-con politicians have a built in advantage with the media and the popular culture which strengthens their position once in office .Achieving office and holding on to it where possible is a bigger challenge for social democratic and Labour parties.Once out of office the biaseses of the cultural institutions and the media make it much harder to get back to governing. Labour supporters should think carefully before choosing the opposition route. In 1931 Labour went into opposition after the disintegration of the Ramsey MacDonald government. They only got back into government with Churchill during the war and on their own after it.
For once, I find myself disagreeing with James MacIntytre. I think Labour MPs opposing a deal are taking the right view. Good to see Andy Burnham has broken ranks on this:
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Clegg & Cameron's Production of "BACK TO THE 80's" Beware from the out set Hard Times a head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course a Lib-Lab coalition, or 'Progressive Alliance' in newspeakgobbledigook, would be preferable to any government run by a bunch of neoliberal, deregulating, slash and burn, Thatcher apologising, PR obsessors (and I don't mean proportional representation!). And this article rightly points out that high-minded strategical hypothesising about the benefits of opposition tends to reward the guilty parties with a long, protracted stay in opposition. But the simple truth is, the maths aren't strong enough. 15 or so more seats, we'd be in business. But there's not enough to form a stable government, and I think we all - apart from the nervous Tories and the dreaming Liberal activists, know that. Brown's resignation yesterday was merely an example of brilliant realpolitik, that has Campbell and Mandelson's hands allover it. The confusion, division and insecurity it has put in the minds of both the Tories and the Liberals, may prove priceless in opposition, not to mention in any potential forthcoming election.
I think you're assuming that the Labour party has the ideological divisions of the 50's and 80's. Essentially you've got a soft left, centrist and soft right, but they can all work together. They are also no obvious big beast for others to rally around.
Note how all of a sudden Prescott and co are going all lefty and saying how they'll oppose cuts. Conveniently forgetting their Tory type laissez-fair brought us to this pass and Labour councils are implementing public service cuts already. Several colleagues will be out of work by July (Community Education). Glad Brown and his NuLabour tory wannabees are out - hypocrites are worse than out and out capitalists - at least you know where you are. Hope the Lib-Dems can modify the excesses of the Tories - they too sounded more leftish when in opposition.
WHAT PEOPLE LIKE BLAIR AND STRAW DONT UNDERSTAND IT DOSENT MATTER WHAT INQUIRY CLEARS THEM WE KNOW AND THOSE TWO MEN KNOW HOW MANY MILLIONS OF LIVES THEY ARE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHEN THEY CROSS OVER INTO THE NEXDT LIFE . SEE TONY AND JACK WE KNOW AND YOU KNOW YOU ARE WAR CRIMINALS . YOUR A DISCRACE TO THE LABOUR PARTY . PLEASE GET out!!!!!!!!! and resign from the party this instance .they lost the left after 2005 it was well evident how labours vote had fallen .i put it to evreyone jack straw is a torie .
I agree James, it's a devastating blow and these Labour MPs will now discover the true futility of opposition. Shameful
WELL PICK OUT THE THREE COWARDS JACK STRAW , ANDY WHO AND WOULDENT YOU KNOW BUT AS USUAL BLUNKETS CAUSEING SHIT . THESE COWARDS WILL BE CAMPAINGED AGAINST AT THE NEXT ELECTION . I WOULD RATHER SEE A TORIE IN THOSE SEATS THAN ANY OF THESE THREE SCUM.PEOPLE LIKE STRAW , WET BLUNKET AND ANDY WHO USED TO BE SHOT IN WAR TIME .THOSE BARSTARDS.
WE WILL HANG THE TORIE CUTS AROUND THE NECKS OF THESE LABOUR MPS EVREYDAY FOR THE NEXT FOR YEARS, TELL THAT TO ANDY WHY FROM THE LABOUR PARTY.STRAW , ANDY WHO AND BLUNKET , AS USUAL BLUNKETS IN THE THICK OF THE TROUBLE , BLUNKETS NOTHING BUT A TROUBLE MAKER ALWAYS HAS BEEN .STRAW , BLUNKET AND ANDY WHO WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TORIE CUTS WELL HANG THESE CUTS AROUND THEIR NECKS ON A DAILY BASIS , TILL THEY LOOSE THEIR SEATS AT THE NEXT ELECTION. ANDY GIVE UP ON ANY LEADERSHIP BID , GO TO HELL MATE LEAVE THE LABOUR PARTY AND JOIN THE TORIES .
Will Blunket,Reid and Abbot have to bear the brunt of the £6b in cuts.I don't think so,so save me your lectures on the morality of an anti Tory Alliance.
55% IS WRONG.SO MUCH FOR NEW POLITICS
ITS IN LABOURS LONG TERM INTREST TO HOLD TALKS WITH THE GREENS , TO FORM SOME KIND OF NATURAL PARTNERSHIP IN THE COMMONS . THE GREENS WILL NEVER VOTE WITH THE CONSERVITIVES OR JOIN THEM IN COALITION , THEY HAVE PROVEN A STABLE PARTNER FOR LABOUR IN NZ AND IN AUSTRALIA IN OPPOSITION . AND I BET IT WOULD STEAL THE SPOTLIGHT FOR A WHILE . GREENS AND LABOUR DIFFER A LOT , BUT ALSO AGREE ON ALOT , THEY ARE STABLE PARTNERS FOR LABOUR LONG TERM , MUCH MORE SO THAN THE LIB DEMS BELEAVE ME . its food for thought . OH AN IN OPPOSITION DO THE OPPOSITE TO WHAT THE TORIES DID .
SORRY I MEAN THE GREENS ARE A STABLE PARTNER IN OPPOSITION AND IN GOVENMENT FOR LABOUR IN NZ AND IN AUSTRALIA . THIS HAS PROVEN THE CASE OVER THE LONG TERM .and it will steal the limelight form torie clegg and his united conlib party .
agree their should be hundreds of thousands out on the streets protesting the 55% needed for a no confidance vote . THATS STEALING THE COMMON DEMOCRACY FROM THE PEOPLE THE COMMONS . ITS OUTRAGES , THEY HAVE NO MANDATE FOR SUCH A THING ,DID THEY SAY THIS IS WHAT THEY CAMPAINGED ON . the new politics . i feel sick .let the reality of what this means . the commons is gerimanderd towards the cons the rich . when asked the libs said get this IT WAS THE LEAST WE COULD DO TO HELP THE CONS . AS ABOVE MY SUGGESTION OF A COALITION KIND OF ARANGEMENT WITH MISS LUCUS AND THE GREENS SOUNDS BETTER AND BETTER ALL THE TIME . remember torie clegg said he wants a labour free uk , this cost them in my view . forget the libs labour lets talk to the greens think towards the future .
Of course it'll be back to the traditional in-fighting again as 'old' Labour hands sabotage any hope of recovery in the near future.
Beranrd makes an point that the principled' Reid and Blunkett and Hoey have consigned Labour to opposition for the next 12 years by scuppering the Progressive Alliance, which actually could have worked and represnt all of Britain.
Well all three can ow sit comfy on their green benches for the next 5 years, after which retire and pick up a pretty good pension.
PLEASE WHATS PROPORTIONAL ABOUT NEEDED 55% OF THE COMMONS TO WIN A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE OVER THE CONLIB PARTY , COULD SOMEONE ASK THE LIBS NO LONGER DEMOCRATS .ONLY REFER TO THEM NOW AS LIBS THEY ARE SURE AS HELL ARE NOT DEMOCRATS .THIS PART OF THE COALITION DEAL IS MIND BLOWING .
swatandra i couldent agree more labour needs to get rid of its dam factions . what about the voters faction ? .
reid , blunket and hoey and satraw are history we well fight a concerted campaign against those trators , with friends like that who needs enimys .they will be held responsible for the 6 billion about to be sucked from the economy ie peoples pockets .i will hang the cuts around those lab mps mentiond above . and it is always blunket in the thick of party infighting .THOSE mps NENTIOND ABOVE PLEASE DEFECT TO THE TORIE PARTY . AND THE ANDY WHO WHO WANTS TO BE THE LABOUR LEADER I SAY GET OUT!!! , LEAVE THE LABOUR DEFECT TO THE TORIES PARTY YOU ARE NOT WANTED IN LABOUR . infighting finished thats all their needs to be , now lets get on with it minus those scab labour mps mentiond aove , straw , blunket andy andy i will never be labour party leader infact ill loose my seat . those men are to be held responsible for all the . pain about to be unleashed on the working class, JACK straw is nothing but a war criminal anyway HE SHOULD GET THE HELL OUT OF THE SOCIALIST PARTY AND JOIN HIS LIKE MINDED FRIENDS IN THE TORIE PARTY.
Am i missing something here. The Lib- Dems had made their minds up to join the Tories without any help from Labour. Just cast your minds back to the love in on the lawn. Do'nt tell me that was'nt stage managed. It's not just Labour that should be electing a new leader, the tories were expected to win by the old school tories, Non Dom millionaire backers, and of course the right wing tory media. On that score alone Cameron should go. {That really is wishfull thinking}. As for Clegg he deliverd them less seats than they had before the election. All in all Gordon Brown was the only one who came out with any dignity. And he had to fall on his sword to do that. As soon as it was ralised by Labour that they would struggle to form a workable coalition, they should have stepped back and let the other two sort it among themselves, which in reallty is what they were doing all along.
LAST POST I HAVE AN IDEA HOW ABOUT SOMEONE FROM THE WORKING CLASS AS LABOUR PARTY LEADER ? . ARE THEIR ANY LABOUR MPS THAT ARE WORKING CLASS ANYMORE ? . THATS THE BLOODY PROBLEM ISNT IT ? . THE LABOUR PARTY IS FULL OF THE RICH AND WEALTHY IN PARLIAMENT , THEY HAVE BECOME PART OF THE PROBLEM . NOW IF THE TRUTH BE KNOWEN BLUNKET AND STRAW AND THAT WOULD BE BUT NEVER WILL BE LABOUR LEADER ANDY WHO WERE APROACHED BYE THE TORIES TO DO WHAT THEY DID IN STANDING AGAINST A LAB LIB DEM COALITION.THOSE THREE ARE LIKE THE AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY SPINELESS AND AFRAID OF THE RIGHT WING MEDIA THE COWARDS .
Eighteen years to regroup ?
Hoping so !
THE LIB DEMS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HANDING CONTROL OF THIS COUNTRYS NUKES OVER TO THE TORIES DO YOU FEEL SAFER ?.
i agree with svgom clegg never intended to go in with labour at all . but its done , now lets get on and start to tackle them they are werak on evrey front the lib dems . they sold out on the PR voteing syestem av is first passed the post ,55% needed in the commons to bring down the govenment thats hidius thtas un democratic a huge blunder bye the coalition . so long as we dont do what the tories did when they were in opposition we will be ok .and talking with the greens i beleave is just smart politics .clegg is vary weak there is so much evidence now to prove he is a torie its not funny . remember the libs are no longer the democrats ..
nice article, if there had been this type of impartial reporting during the election, i would feel even better.