The problem with Diane Abbott
Yes, she’s a woman. But she’s not credible.
By James Macintyre Published 20 May 2010 13:37
I thought I was dreaming when I heard Diane Abbott declaring for the Labour leadership this morning. The move was unexpected, though welcome, as it widens the field. And it is indeed good to have a woman on the ballot paper.
However, it is less clear whether her candidacy -- which is not likely to fly -- will ultimately help the cause of women in politics. Abbott is not highly valued in the Labour Party.
Here is my quote for the day, from the excellent new Labour Uncut website:
It is a shame . . . that MPs will be forced to choose between having a woman in the election, which most would like to see, and having Diane Abbott in the election, which most do not want to see.
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What problem James? Dianne Abbott has shown how good she can be in using the media to great effect and this will no doubt help her campaign. She ticks many boxes all at once and her entry into the race is a plus to the much needed debate within the party especially on immigration, which many on the left & right are currently mishandling by pandering to the Daily Mail agenda. Though her chances of winning the contest are slim, kudos to her for taking part.
Diane is good on This Week and I think she should stick to doing that.
That and the fact she sent her kids to a private school, the hypocrite.
@Jeremiah. Nothing wrong with sending your kids to private school if the schools in your area are shockingly bad. I dare say the schools where she lives are terrible.
Nobody should be criticized for looking after their kids as best they can.
didn't she send her kid to a private school because he was deeply unhappy where he was? i know i'd do the same.
the problem i have with this is she repeatedly criticised other parents for doing this first. i hope as a result of her actions she realised she shouldn't have been so judgemental. i have no problem with MPs learning from their own life experiences and changing their opinions.
to those really concerned about her apparent hypocrisy, weighed up against supporting an illegal war which most of the others voted for - is it REALLY that bad?
personally, i'm all for honest jon and i worry she'll deplete his support. but some of the criticisms some of you are coming out with are frankly neither here nor there.
Abdul - Say something of benefit to the debate or say nothing at all! Your comments are belittling and rude.
I think her decision to send her child to private school whilst being critical of others doing the same was at the time hypocritical. Plus she has spent years being negative about the party and its leadership. How on earth can she hope to now want the party support.
She may be a good constituency MP - stick to that I say!
It would never be brought up, but skimmed over. Just like some are afraid the public would never vote for a left-wing candidate and so will never choose a non-conformist candidate, some are likely to be worried that the public would never vote for a black candidate and would deep down inside choose somebody who looks like "one of them". It is because nobody has tried to convince the public to try left-wing policies or put forward a black candidate as just that there are none.
Oh and Abdul Amir Hassan. You have an unusual imagination to produce such a strange metaphor. Missippi when talking about a black woman considering its history and reference makes it a loaded word especially when randomly brought into a debate in the UK.
-"Diane Abbott is built like a Missippi paddle steamer for Christ sake."-
Whether it be a underlined racial point or not, an insult for somebody over their weight makes you quite disgusting.
Well I'm only an ordinary R and F party member, but I'll be voting for Diane Abbott. She is intelligent, charismatic and has a good record in standing up for decent progressive values. In other words, an ideal leader.
Big Di has my vote ... she be good news for the Cons/Dems (middle england will flee in fear )!
Oh, Jimbo... only the one problem with Big Di ? !
she has my vote, be careful what you wish for you tory twerps
I don't understand. Is she left wing or a moderniser. She seems like quite a maverick. I can't imagine her leading Labour in the commons.
I don't join parties but I would vote for her if I did, why is it that men get away with sending their kids to private schools (Tony Blair) but women cannot. She speaks her mind and that is a blessing - you do not have to agree with what she says - Yes men bye
James
You write "She is not highly valued in the Labour party." Not by a Blairite leadership but the party is bigger than that. As for the views of Labour Uncut, it may be a good web site but it belongs to Sion Simon and there aren't many in the Labour Party who are more right wing than him. To be told you're not wanted by Sion is not really harmful if you're on the left.
There is no problem with Diane Abbott at all except that Middle England might fear her no bul*shit attitude and perhaps even the colour of her skin. She may have voted against the instructions of the New LAbour whips and New Labour regime but she is loyal to the Labour party - she has always voted for proposals put in the Labour manifesto and where she has rebelled, looking at her voting record, she has merely voted along Labour party principles - Iraq War, ID cards and attack on civil liberties etc - come on these are NOT what a real Labour party should be voting for!!
Sure sending her son to a private school will always come back to haunt her but here's the thing - the GCSE pass rates in schools in Hackney at the time were around 9% - any self-respecting mother and parent would and should put her children before principle. The other HAckney parents probably did not have the choice as they lack money but Diane did and I think she did the right thing, unfortunately to the detriment to her career but I think all the negativities that plaqued her at the time and beyond, should surely be buried especially as she has since got the government to build 5 new acadamies in her constituency to help correct that shocking statistic - and obviously her constituents are happy with her as she is the only one of the frontrunners who managed to double her vote.
Perhaps she should not have criticised Tony Blair (Diane Abbott denied bad-mouthing Harriet Harman) but he was the leader of the party at the time and so perhaps should have been setting an example.
Furthermore I can see her attack the Cleggeron, in a way that the partisan media will not.
I heard that even her own dog picks up its own poop as Diane takes no shit from no-one!
Abdul Amir..:
I believe you are a white BNP supporter pretending to be of Arabic origins. How else could anyone explain your racist, sexist, irrelevant rant against Diane Abbot and your other comments on this website. If so, have the courage to "come out" as such, and stop hiding behind this name, and pollute this site with your disgusting and thoroughly stupid comments.
If you are of Arabic origin, shame on you too!
Yes Dianne Abbot is a maverick but at least she strikes me as genuine and left wing (that's a change) with lots of personality. Although she has no chance, I salute her cheek and wish her luck. She is great on "this week".
Daniele - I actually believe you to be a white, male, BNP supporter posting in a faux-hysterical fashion to discredit women everywhere. As a black muslim woman posing as a white Eastern European male, I find your post both offensive and disingenuous.
I find it tempting to join Labour just to vote for Diane Abbot.
This 'article' is complete codswallop. You've wholly failed to back up your claim that she is 'not credible'. The Labour Party don't like her because she's a token rebel - she's taken her stand, spoken out against many things she doesn't like within the Labour Party, and refused to bow down to the whip system. She is a regular guest on television programme This Week, and often 'tells it how it is', which some people perceived to be harmful to Labour. But frankly, we need an opposition who tells it 'how it is'.
Diane Abbott is not a careerist politician like all the other people who are standing. She doesn't attend the Labour Conference, she doesn't suck up to the Government, and she's detached from the 'trainwreck' aspects of New Labour. If that doesn't make her a credible person, then I don't know what does.
She is awful on that weekly political programme so could not stand seeing any more of her let alone as a British Prime Minister or Leader of the Opposition at present. She is very delusional.
Labour leadership quick quiz. Who said:
"We need to be careful about scapegoating immigrants in a recession. We know where that leads"
?
Clue - it wasn't Miliband, Miliband, Balls or Burnham.
Look at her voting record. Watch some of her speeches on you tube. She is incredibly able. To say she is not a credible candidate is ridiculous.
I would be interested in reading a lsit of her political achivements since 1983. It looks like 18 years with no decernable impact. All that seems to be said in her defence is that sometimes to judge from her voting record, she'd have been happier in the Lib Dems, although the Conservative Party wcould be an equally happy place for her now. Time to defect and become a Minister.
@jeremiah, It is every parents right to do the best by their kids.
I would say that as an inner city, English MP with a sound voting record and media exposure she is very plausible as the leader of the Labour movement.
One of the great tragedies of the "New labour" period is that talents such as Diannes were never going to be used in Government. Even Wilson and Callaghan were able to employ Micheal Foot, Barbara Castle and Tony Benn for goodness sake. Yet thier control freakery meant that good people were passed over in favour of freinds of Tony, Mandy, and Gordon.
A good Left vote in the leadership election will help ensure this waste doesnt happen again.
We just need to make sue that Abbott and McDonnell do not cancel each other out...
I think we should join forces and support Diane Abbott in standing for the leader of the Labour Party.
How do we, the average person in the street, help her in her campaign?
Good candidate. Very unfortunate choice of picture.
Dear James, your right. Diane is not credible as a candidate. BUt that's exactly why she should be in the leadership contest debates. She has nothing to lose and the Labour Party has everything to gain.
She gets my support for what she has said so far.
But will she get 33 signatures? I hope so but if she can't it is a bad sign- not only for her but the Labour Party.
Pleased to see the private school issue to the fore. How can a socialist/labour leader (putative) opt for private education and retain credibility - it's beyond hypocrisy.
Its as silly as the Tory Cabinet, all ex public school boys, running State Education, when they continue sending their kids to prep school. Someone plaese point that out to them.
Dianne is going to struggle to hit double figures at this rate. She has one fault, that her sentences are more mangled than Robert Pestons, and sometimes its an effort to follow her thread. She'd be ok as Deputy Leader to give some hope to BAME and Women that the Party actually listens to them.
James - perhaps you could have a look at the below extracts from Diane's voting record and explain what it is that you find "not credible" about it? I think it stacks up rather well against the disgraceful records of the leading candidates. The record of the New Labour clique includes a bloodbath in Iraq, an economic calamity wrought by neoliberal economics, and the capitulation to the right on immigration and asylum. Abbott's record compares rather well with that, doesn't it?
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Voted moderately against a stricter asylum system.
Voted very strongly for a wholly elected House of Lords.
Voted very strongly against the Iraq war.
Voted moderately for equal gay rights.
Voted very strongly against replacing Trident.
Voted moderately against introducing student top-up fees.
Voted strongly against introducing foundation hospitals.
Voted strongly for more EU integration.
Voted moderately for the hunting ban.
Voted moderately against Labour's anti-terrorism laws.
"She is not highly valued in the Labour party."
By whom James; by the PLP? There are people 'in' the Labour party beyond the House of Commons.
And Sunny is suggesting she can get the 33 noms: http://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/statuses/14357269073
Dianne will raise the tone of the campaign, and raise issues of pressing concern to both BAME and White Communities. She is not an 'Obama' figure but will no doubt settle the question of 'belonging' and 'working together' and 'integration into the British way of life'.
I think what is being expressed is that she always seems to use spoiling tactics. Like announcing her candidacy today live on the radio - almost as a act of petulance against something, and then rather disingenuously responding to the shock – not that she was standing but that she chose to announce something so important – to us in the Party - in I that way. How difficult is to be courteous to life long labour supporters?
It is wrong to suggest Diane Abbott is not highly regarded in the Labour Party as she is well liked and respected. In 2008 she gave a speech in defence of civil liberties which was widely acclaimed both within the Labour Party and outside it. Her reasons for joining the contest is to demonstrate that Labour is more than just white men in there early 40s who support middle of the road left of centre policies. He left wing views will widen the debate and create further interest amongst women and ethinic minority Labour supporters.
She seems to have continued to be in opposition for a good deal of the time Labour have been in power.
There are enough supportive comments on this thread to raise suspicions about their source.
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Should there be women on the bollot paper? Yes of course. It’s an indictment both that none honestly want it (other perhaps than Diane and it’s unlikely even that she does. Wanting to stand and wanting to lead the Labour Party are rather different things as Cruddas pointed out) and that we’ve propelled so few women into positions of responsibility and recognition. But what we can’t now do is co-erce women into standing just to k=make the brethern feel better themselves when they then won’t support them and the women will simply look patsies. We are where we are. We have fallen well short of our supposed ideals (or those held by 52% of us and to which the other 48% paid lip service). We must do better but let’s not pretend.
I'm uncomfortable with Abbot standing as a token woman candidate but then then there are far worse people who could have decided to stand.
Hazel Blears anyone?
I personally hopes she wins it... that way Labour will be out of power for a decade. Happy days.
@Yeti. She is a hypocrite.
She would have been the first to scream blue murder if Blair had sent his kids to a private school, and even he didn't do that!
Dianne Abbott is a popular national figure, with a great voting record, sound morality and you dismiss her?
Perhaps its because she is not David Miliband?
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