Well I thought she was superb. She managed to communicate to the wider audience what true conservatism is about. She thinks its ok for Lord Ashcroft to not pay £27 million in taxes and lie to the nation. She clearly thinks that lynch law is appropriate. She was angry, aggressive intolerant and incapable of rational debate. She was the icing on the cake of a week where the Tories' fitness to govern has been beautifully undermined. Keep up the good work.

Hands off tv's leggy maths brainbox!

Ironic that she is advising the Conservatives on maths education when they have said that no-one with a degree class lower than 2:2 should be teaching.

Mugabe also announces his support for Cameron, saying: "We have always related better with the British through the Conservatives than Labour. Conservatives are bold, Blair and Brown run away when they see me, but not these fools, they know how to relate to others."

A new Tory poster is now about to hit the billboards: http://www.moneymad.org/david_cameron_poster_mugabe.jpg

It was a terrible, shaming edition. Dimbleby was flirting with his fellow Bullingdon Club chump, the blustering Johnson. Vorderman was awful: inarticulate, shrill, popularist. Shirley was muted. Adonis looked nauseous. Self was okay. Nice column he writes in your mag.

Well don't know if everyone was watching same as me ..I thought Carol was brilliant she SAID what we are all thinking ..the Labour MP tried to shout her down or talk over her and she was having none of it ...Will Self I normally like ,,but he was full of self importance ..Carol got across about Browns lack of funding for the forces in Iraq and the Jamie Bulger case ..in laymand terms ...not like the rantings of Self ...who was totally self opionionated ...perhaps they WOULD want to know what this Henous man had done had it been one of THEIR families children murdered...and after all these "things" that committed the crime have cost tax payers hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds and to what ends ?? He STILL ends up behind bars ...lets hope he rots there ...WITH his new bloody name ...

It's self-evident why it's reasonable to ask whether the public & the victim's parents have a right to know of Venables' crime.

The point was simply articulated a little bit later in the program by a lady in the audience.

To Will Self - a quick reminder :

"Facts established at trial show that, at this location, one of the boys threw blue modelling paint on Bulger's face. They kicked him and hit him with bricks, stones and a 22-pound (10.0 kg) iron bar. They then placed batteries in his mouth. Bulger suffered skull fractures as a result of the iron bar striking his head. However, Alan Williams, the case's pathologist, speculated that Bulger suffered so many injuries that none could be isolated as the fatal blow.

Before they left him, the boys laid Bulger across the railway tracks and weighted his head down with rubble, in hopes that a train would hit him and make his death appear an accident. After Bulger's killers left the scene, his body was cut in half by a train. Bulger's severed body was discovered two days later, on 14 February. A forensic pathologist testified that he had died before he was struck by the train."

(from Wikipedia's article on the James Bulger murder, references removed)

Well said James. Vorderman was incredibly irritating on QT. She reminded me of Nigel Farage.

Jenny I'm sorry to say we were all watching the same shambles as each other. Carol Vorderman ought to heed the old maxim, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". She's good at sums but TERRIBLE at this sort of thing.

Anyway, I'm off to sign up for a ridiculous loan which will financially cripple me for the rest of my life, and start on a new fad detox regime. Cheers, Carol!

Vorderman has surely made a complete fool of herself with that performance.

Dear Carol,
Please tick one of the following 3 possible explanations for your performance on Question Time....

(a) I was acting the role of a right-wing, intolerant, inarticulate bitch on Question Time.

(b) I was acting the role of a nice, stable, fair-minded woman on Countdown.

(c) I have a multiple personalities disorder.

She also looked down most of the time and appeared to be reading from notes in the manner of a dull school teacher

In response to a.m.r.'s unnecessarily graphic reminder of the crime.

For what purpose would you revel in repeating this much detail, when we are all in agreement that the crime itself was appalling?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

Completely agreed. She treated the audience like a group of toddlers who she had to talk down to. She's clearly addicted to being on television, but seriously Carol, rest on your laurels and retire gracefully.

Will Self should be on every single week.

As a child Jon Venables committed an awful murder, he was then tucked away in a secure home and educated in what society regarded as right from wrong. He was then, as a young adult released back in to the wider society with the memory of what he had done and a new understanding of right and wrong, we, society chose to give him a second chance of life with the understanding, that with the new trust we had afforded him came responsibilities, namely to abide by the terms of his licence and to be a good member of society.

His recall to prison has shown that despite all he has been given over the last 17 years he has chosen to betray our trust. No one can now say he is a confused child of 10 with little understanding of what he has done. In this case rehabilitation has not worked, confinement may be the only answer.

Excellent analysis. She even put Boris in the shade for stupidity - not an easy task. The worst edition ever of an increasingly irritating programme.

The trouble with geeky mathematicians like Carol is that they have no sense - stick to numbers and fractions etc. Carol and leave politics to us arts and humanities grads. Alright?

I feel guilty I used to have impure thoughts about her - she will never enter my head again

Exactly Mark et al... CV was a perfect example of what the average Tory is like....and I've never heard so little from Boris... the pair of them made Adonis and Shirley Williams look quite leftwing and Will Self look like a guru!

Thank god for this article. I thought I was dreaming last night. She was so OTT. She wouldn't look up at anyone, kept shrinking into the desk and was so silly. I thought she was on drugs or having a breakdown. Sad

Paul:
You think it is great that CV and Farrage can speak their mind. Is that all you appreciate in a speaker? doesn't it matter to you that they should have something WORTHWHILE to say as well?
I think CV should be employed by "The SUN" after that performance.She knew as much as the next woman in the pub and was peddling the same populist crap you can read in that paper every day of the week.
A pathetic QT, which ,I am afraid ,reflects the level of political debate in this country.
Will Self was the only one with an independent brain and still I wish he would have emphasized that those murderers they were talking about were CHILDREN when they committed the crime and therefore not only NOT responsible, but surely abused themselves, to have committed such an evil act.In most countries, you would not have known who they were and they would have been treated as mental patients and not sent to prison like adults.How we treat children in this country is shameful.
Meanwhile I am told, as a teacher, that children are not responsible for not doing their homework because it is MY FAULT for not making it interesting or easy enough!
Nobody seems to realize the stupidity of those contradictions which must surely confuse children as to their responsibility for their actions.

Is Ms Vorderman the latest evil Tory plot to seriously back fire?

The Daily Mail put up a story a few hours ago about how terrible she was, but it's suddenly disappeared!!

It still comes up in Google at the time of writing this though!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=carol+vorderman+qu...

Cobie, I reposted a description of the crime in response to Will Self's "are they really evil?" question.

He said he'd read the transcripts, and that he didn't think it was clear that they (the two murderers) were as bad as they've been made out to be.

The question of 'evil' is vague and often subjectively defined in practice. Unless Will Self was challenging the facts established by the court case, I found his 'are they evil?' question to be disturbingly sophistic.

MSV,
Being numerate and scientifically literate are generally considered to be advantages.

I see lots of mostly chauvinistic insults thrown at Vorderman here, and not much engagement of the question.