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Chief Rabbi of Poland on BBC

He can't escape his own instincts

First, let us remember, here is what the Chief Rabbi of Poland, Michael Schudrich, said back in July -- when he was speaking from the heart, openly, and before he was leant on:

 

From: Michael Schudrich [mailto:xxxx]
Sent: 27 July 2009 18:21
To: James Macintyre
Subject: Re: Quote request

 

Dear James,

I do not comment on political decisions. However, it is clear that Mr Kaminski was a member of NOP, a group that is openly far-right and neo-Nazi. Anyone who would want to align himself with a person who was an active member of NOP and the Committee to Defend the Good Name of Jedwabne (which was established to deny historical facts of the massacre at Jedwabne) needs to understand with what and by whom he is being represented.

Michael Schudrich

 

This morning, he finally broke his silence and gave an interview to the Today programme on Radio 4. I congratulate the programme for tracking down the elusive rabbi. But I condemn it for providing such a cleverly slanted interview. James Naughtie allowed his interviewee to contradict himself and let Michal Kaminski off the hook. He went out of his way to justify the mindset that would attack the Polish nation for apologising for the Jedwabne massacre, and he asked loaded questions, such as whether Kaminski is "extremist" or "somewhere near the mainstream". As if this weren't enough, Nick Robinson, the BBC's political editor, weighed in, implying that David Miliband would be obliged to apologise to William Hague for emphasising this story.

So, what did the Chief Rabbi actually say today? Well, he certainly said Kaminski was "today -- today" not anti-Semitic, though he couldn't "check people's hearts". And the Israel canard (Nick Griffin is a "strong supporter" of Israel) was referred to. But he repeatedly spoke of finding both Kaminski's position on the 1941 massacre -- and past membership of neo-Nazi NOP -- "problematic".

The Chief Rabbi called Kaminski "complicated". Well, he is clearly not the only one. Michael Schudrich has made a number of differing statements now about Kaminski, including the one to the right-wing think tank Policy Exchange.

Has the statement Rabbi Schudrich made to Policy Echange been shown in full? It will be interesting to hear from the Chief Rabbi exactly what contact he has had from the Conservative Party, or Policy Exchange, or from any of the other people involved. A pity Today was so uninterested in drawing attention -- as Andrew Neil did yesterday -- to the contradiction at the centre of the rabbi's two statements.

In the meantime, the question remains: what happened to Rabbi Schudrich after his original statement, reproduced above, showed his true feelings about Kaminski?

 

 

 

 

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26 comments from readers

Desperate
30 October 2009 at 10:45

James, you are a disgrace to journalism. You've been found out. Apologise for lying and attempting to stoke fires for your political friends.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Simon
30 October 2009 at 10:49

Give it up James

The public doesn't care about your smeary insinuations

How about looking at some of the colleagues of the Labour and Lib Dems? There is some interesting stuff there that you should at least consider. For now, just give up trying to be the next McBride. It doesn't become you

Stepney
30 October 2009 at 10:49

For your convenience, and so you don't have to have the bother of researching any other sites (let's face it, objective research not really being being your strongest point)...

After the Chief Rabbi of Poland's comments this morning McShane, Macintyre and Milliband would do well to find a quiet, dark place to lie down in and hide for a while.

Can you imagine a real Foreign Secretary, one of worth and standing getting into this sort of deep shit? Banana boy really is a complete liability to the country. A 21st century Alf Garnett of a Foreign Secretary,

The only stick they have to beat Kaminski with now is what he did in his youth and that's a truly fine tactic to consider when you look at the various ex-Communists, Marxists and Trots currently warming their large, overfed arses on the Government front benches.

I think you've lost this one Mr Macintyre - perhaps it's time to write about something else and stop digging the hole you're in any deeper.

Bill Kristol-Balls
30 October 2009 at 10:59

Keep at it James, anyone with even a basic grasp of comprehension can see the difference between what the Rabbi said in that email and what he's saying now.

Andrew Neil certainly got it or is he a lefty mud slinger now?

Bagehot's blog is worth a read too -

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2009/10/israel_and_th...

cjcjc
30 October 2009 at 11:02

A pathetic response.

Fortunately even banana-boy has probably got enough sense to let this drop.

dave
30 October 2009 at 11:13

the new mcbride

undercoveragent
30 October 2009 at 11:19

Nick Robinson is emerging as a really partisan political editor of the BBC. Everyone knows he was an active Conservative as a student and his reports are beginning to look contaminated. Why has he come to this story so late? Why has he not reported it before?

What is also worth noting about Kaminski is that he is a homophobe. He's a nasty piece of work and it's a profound shame that the Tories are led by him in Europe. There's no point the commenters above attempting to smear Macintyre. He got a scoop here. The foreign secreatry and his shadow were debating his story on the Today programme no less! The fact the right wing blogosphere is so interested in him shows what an impact he has made at the Staggers in a short time.

Stepney
30 October 2009 at 11:23

Undercoveragent - you're barking.

The only impact he's had at the Staggers is to almost single-handedly destroy any reputation it had for well-researched, radical political journalism. The above is a perfect example of torturing words. It's so bad it's funny. Like watching someone argue that hot is the new cold.

obangobang
30 October 2009 at 11:29

So if I get you right, the Chief Rabbi of Poland cannot retract what he said previously, and we must base all opinion of Mr Kaminski on the email reproduced above.

Does that principle also apply to Andrew Neather's revelations regarding New Labour's immigration policy?

Claudius
30 October 2009 at 11:30

Can we have a whip round to get Macintyre an early Xmas present?

I would recommend buying him a glass stomach.

john
30 October 2009 at 11:38

I dont remember such fuss from the Labour Party (miliband et al) over ex-Labour Mayor Ken's close association with certain preachers of hate (Yusuf Al-Qaradawi for instance). Or is homophobia /anti-semitism ok if there is 'cultural difference'?

Oh yes. I remember, there was one man who stood up to be counted. His name was Martin Bright. But he now longer works for this organ. Wonder why?.Instead we have a mouthpiece for Labour Party propaganga. What a bonus.

Roger Aubrey
30 October 2009 at 11:47

Mr Macintyre: I heard the interview this morning. I think you heard the Chief Rabbi through the filter of your made up mind and political bias. He explained the situation calmly, lucidly and with erudition, especially how Poles themselves think about these matters. I am afraid the Foreign Secretary looks rather silly in all this.

Stepney
30 October 2009 at 11:57

"I would also like to clarify that the headline of James Macintyre article of July 29, 2009 does not represent what I said to the author. I made no political statement and this headline is misleading and untrue.”

Which of the words above do you associate with high quality journalism?

undercoveragent
30 October 2009 at 12:26

Stepney: I doubt macintyre writes the statesman's headlines. Have you ever heard of subs?

Stepney
30 October 2009 at 13:53

Undercoveragent: yes I have heard of subs - surrounded by them actually - and I'm sure Macintyre screamed blue murder when he read how the sentiments of his piece had been so foully misrepresented by the beastly sub.

So try this then:

"It is a grotesque distortion that people are quoting me to prove that Kaminski is an anti-Semite."

Are you getting the point yet?

Observer
30 October 2009 at 13:58

You attempted a clumsy smear of the Tories and were found out . It is unquestionably distasteful and disrespectful to try and paint the Tories as racists. It is just this approach which undermines the integrity of political debate. Presumably in your next article you will be trying to imply they are all paedophiles.

undercoveragent
30 October 2009 at 16:46

Stepney: Er, what was your point?

alan stoddart
30 October 2009 at 17:03

VIETNAM AND WESTERN SOCIALISM Ralph Miliband (David's father)

.....the United States has over what is now a period of years been engaged there in the whole-sale slaughter of men, women and children, the maiming of many

more. The obliteration of numberless villages and the forcible trans-

plantation of whole populations into virtual concentration camps, the

use of gas and chemical warfare, the devastation of large areas of

cultivation, and much, much else which forms part of a catalogue of

horrors which has by now been abundantly, sickeningly documented.

Secondly, there is the fact that the United States has done all this in

the name of an enormous lie.

The American administration itself has made no secret of the political and diplomatic importance it attached to the unwavering support of a British Labour Government.

It is certainly true, to take the Labour Party first, that its leaders

must bear a major share of the direct and immediate responsibility

for a response which, in its consistent defence of American actions in

Vietnam, certainly constitutes the most shameful chapter in the history

of that party....the vast majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party and

of the trade union leadership has never shown the slightest intention of

protesting at all...These were not men writhing in agonized loyalty to leaders whose policies they thought mistaken. On the contrary, their support for these leaders has not only been "loyal" but, to all appearances, eager.

They turned into the faithful apologists for American policies and actions.

For all practical purposes, the.parliamentary Left, far from opposing the moral collapse which has characterized the Government's actions since it came to power, has in fact shared it; and the point, it might be added, applies with even greater force to those erstwhile "leftwingers" who, having gained office under Mr. Wilson, have been irremediably tarred with the collective guilt implicit in the collective

responsibility which, by staying in office, they have agreed to assume.

alan stoddart
30 October 2009 at 17:08

The Chief Rabbi also said the Polish people object strongly to the false and painful stereotype that Poles are all anti-semitic....by this Mac he means you and your sort who peddle the lies about a mainstream political party in Poland that lead onto the stereotype.

Biggles
30 October 2009 at 17:50

Rabbi Schudrich said:

"I would also like to clarify that the headline of James Macintyre article of July 29, 2009 entitled: "Jewish Leaders Turn on Cameron's Tories: Poland's chief rabbi and others call on Cameron to sever ties with Polish MEP" does not represent what I said to the author. I made no political statement and this headline is misleading and untrue."

So Macintyre lies - no surprise there then

alan stoddart
30 October 2009 at 18:54

...and how about the case of the FCO employing a Muslim extremist, and promoting him when found out...and sacking the person who revealed this extremist link to Labour.

http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/2310/full

.....the FCO and other UK government departments were continuing to work with and assist organisations that promote extreme Islamist politics.

At the age of 50, Derek Pasquill is now on the dole with no pension, no savings and no prospects. The FCO responded to his revelations by promoting Mockbul Ali

The Chief Rabbi of Poland also stated that the Poles object strongly to the false and painful stereotyping of them as anti-semitic as peddled in such articles like Macintyre's.

Stepney
30 October 2009 at 20:45

@undercoveragent

The thing that just flew over your head.

Come on at the back. Do keep up.

john
30 October 2009 at 23:27

http://order-order.com/2009/10/30/tony-blair-had-downing-str...

http://charlescrawford.biz/blog/even-yet-more-further-labour...

christ. ... if this is true then those 'evil' Poles the Tories have been breaking bread with, metaphorically speaking, have literally been breaking bread with the Labour Party.

So....a Polish Politician, and his party, which Miliband, McShane and their ciphers have been whinging about for the last few months were inivited to DINNER at No.10 and sucked up to by the British Govt. in 2005. ...'Waffen SS' at No. 10.... what is the world coming to?. Perhaps Miliband should make a speech about it ? or perhaps an op-ed in the Grauniad?.

If you are going to carry on with this propaganda bit for the Party old chap, better try and do a bit better than this in future.

Javelin
01 November 2009 at 08:42

I only ever stick the knife in when it deserves to be stuck in and you unfortunately have fallen under my gaze.

You have let your political needyness out rank your journalistic professionalism. Until you can pass the marshmellow test you have no place in journalism.

stephen
03 November 2009 at 13:31

I think that everyone should look at what Miliband actually said about Kaminski - all his references were to Kaminski's past behaviour of which there is very little doubt or controversy, at least in the good Rabbi's eyes.

Perhaps a little more attention should be paid to the antics of the Latvian Party to which the Tories are now allied. Wasn't it only last year that they were in favour of starting to pay military pensions to former members of the Waffen SS - but I daresay they will drag up someone to say that they have changed their spots or that MEP doesn't really support his own Party on this one etc.etc.

And we still haven't really had an answer as why the Tories have decided to leave the main centre right grouping of the European Parliament (to which the Tory Party still remains officially committed) for the current more nationalist and more right wing grouping . While here in the UK tries to portray his Party as moving in the opposite direction.

charlie castrillo
10 November 2009 at 10:30

to whom it may concern,

have u got any information on the second coming?i would like to know more

about it,could u let me know please?

"You are not far from the Kingdom of God."

The Good News must first be preached to all the nations...

yours sincerely,

charlie castrillo

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