Cameron's East Germany comparison was absurd and offensive
The Prime Minister's Tea Party-esque caricatures are a substitute for real debate.
By Tristram Hunt Published 07 October 2012 16:49
In her 2003 book Stasiland, Anna Funder documents what life was like for millions of people in East Germany, the inaptly named German Democratic Republic, before the fall of the Berlin Wall. She describes the way the Stasi kept control by spying on people, recruiting half a million people to spy on their neighbours or members of their own families, tapping phones, generating files on their fellow citizens which, laid upright end to end, would have formed a line 180 kilometres long.
In East Germany, political prisoners were jailed. People who attempted to leave were arrested, or even shot as they crossed the border. East Germans voted by approving the only name on the ballot paper, or by putting a line through it. Those who chose not to support the approved candidate - the ballot was not secret - could lose their job or be expelled from university, and would come under close surveillance from the Stasi.
You might think that, whatever arguments and differences British politicians have with each other, we can all agree that nobody wants to change our open, democratic society into anything like East Germany. We have our arguments in public, we campaign for support, we win or we lose and we argue again.
Yet in describing Ed Miliband's superb speech to the Labour Party conference last week, David Cameron was quoted in the Sun as having said, “He might believe in One Nation, but I thought it sounded more like East Germany than Great Britain.”
He might think this is funny. It's unlikely he thinks it's clever. You can tell by the mess he's made of the economy - a double-dip recession and borrowing going up - that David Cameron isn't any good at economics, but surely he's better at history than this. He surely doesn't believe it. If he does, he needs to explain himself.
Here are some of the things Ed Miliband called for last week. Better vocational education and more apprenticeships. A proper split between high street and casino banking. Making it easier for businesses to plan for the long term. An end to rip-off pension charges. I don't know why those things sound like East Germany to David Cameron. They don't sound like East Germany to me. A divided Germany is not the most obvious model for a one nation politician.
The last thing we need in this country is to import the worst elements of US Tea Party politics into our own. It's dishonest, it's fatuous and it debases our politics. We don't need to start comparing our opponents to regimes which in reality epitomise worse evils than anything we see in Britain today, either on the mainstream left or the mainstream right. We don't want politics in which offensive caricatures take the place of arguments, or in which a genuine issue of conscience like abortion becomes a party political dividing line.
I'm sending David Cameron a copy of Stasiland. I genuinely hope he reads it. And then I hope he will realise that he made a bad mistake in stooping so low as to invoke one of the most despicable regimes of the 20th century in describing a contemporary mainstream British political party. I hope the Prime Minister will reflect on what he said, and take it back.
Tristram Hunt is MP for Stoke-on-Trent Central.
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19 comments
You have not factored in Cameron's essential shallowness. One doubts if he has even reflected at all over his silly remark. It is not worthy of analysis.
However, Labour should not rest complacent on its own record. I admired Ed's speech as exactly what we need, and a Labour Party proposing these policies in 2015, accompanied by robust plans to implement them, will have my - hitherto withheld - vote once again. But will his party follow him? Too many resemble the shameful Ms Lamont in finding it easier to demonise the poor than to engage intellectually with what we need.
I hope you will put your own formidable talents to supporting Miliband in this quest to rediscover the heart and soul of the party.
PS. (sorry to reply to my own post)
I am just reading Simon Jenkins on Thatcher. To her disordered mind, anything implying state intervention and planning = "socialism" = East Germany. Cameron is her true heir.
You have not factored in Cameron's essential shallowness. One doubts if he has even reflected at all over his silly remark. It is not worthy of analysis.
However, Labour should not rest complacent on its own record. I admired Ed's speech as exactly what we need, and a Labour Party proposing these policies in 2015, accompanied by robust plans to implement them, will have my - hitherto withheld - vote once again. But will his party follow him? Too many resemble the shameful Ms Lamont in finding it easier to demonise the poor than to engage intellectually with what we need.
I hope you will put your own formidable talents to supporting Miliband in this quest to rediscover the heart and soul of the party.
Generally the comparison is absurd but in places it worrying touches a nerve. At a time of failing crime New Labour increased police numbers so much that now more people work in the police than did in East Germany (one in every two hundred).
The result has been a loss of freedoms. For protesting against student fees (or even being in the general area) you can now expected to be held in the street without access to food or toilets for many hours.
Or you could end up, like Boris' aide, loosing your job, having to defend yourself in court and being exposed to public ridicule because of an interested in unusual gay sexual practices.
New Labour was an absolute disaster on liberty and until people like Tristram own up to that and address it then the mud will stick. I gave Labour my vote in 1997 and nasty as the current lot are I would be loathe to do so again.
Cameron is a desperate man, he knows he is loosing the arguement, and looisng control over government and his party. A confident politican would not say such things. Ed Miliband and Labour has gotten Cameron and his Tories wll and truely rattled.
A bit of a pompous piece, Mr Hunt, though I did not go to a top public school like yourself, so forgive my academic presumption.
I mention this because you once wrote a snide article pointing-out Cameron's educational background etc. which I thought was bit on the rich side, (money and humour I suppose), taking into account your own.
Indeed here you go down the route for which you criticise Cameron, with a silly reference to the tea party. Trivial.
Perhaps it was the feeble class thing included in Ed's "superb speech" that Cameron had in mind when mentioning East Germany?
I went to the GDR in the mid 1980's and the holiday party was full of socialists intent on paying pigrimage to the "socialist wall"
The GDR may be despicable to you now, but in the 1980's there were a good many of on the left who were inclined to give it the nod when opposing the dreadful USA, with comrades from the Unions movement regular guests, similar types to the ones who helped Miliband win the Labour leadership.
There are plenty of 50 year olds plus Labour people now running around in their smart New Labour/One Nation Labour suits, who looked and dressed and thought very differently in the 1980's and paid homage to the leaders of the People's Republics, against the wicked imperialist USA.
I don't think that a Conservative needs a lesson on the evils of the GDR from a member of a party that was, at times, a bit light on criticising it.
You must also excuse the confusion even in the present day Labour Party, when Lord "call me Neil " Kinnock and others wax lyrical about Hobsbawm, an apologist for Stalin, quite recently.
Stalin to Ulbricht is a short distance to travel. But unlike Lord Kinnock with Hobsbawm , I think David Cameron did not mean it literally as you perfectley well know, so best for Tristram Hunt to get off his high-horse.
I woild just like to confirm my experience of the 1980s lefties and their adoration of the"German Democratic Republic"
Th e schools and colleges were full of right-eyed idiot teachers ntent on passing on their brain-washed notion to would-be learners. I have an abiding contempt for the lot of them and I especially despise those who are now busy finding excuses for that rank hypocrite Hobsbawm
I don't mind that they were wrong in their political beliefs,but I suspect that they knew the truth and still purveyed the stories that the Movement required.
'Call yourself an historian?' The 'Zinoviev' letter won the Tories an election in twenties Britain and the 'Red' smear has always worked wonders for the Conservatives during the twentieth century.
Even with 'new' tacked on to the Labour Party label this virtual re- branding exercise failed to ward off insults linking UK social democrats to a defunct monolithic political system known as the Soviet Union.
Live with it! The old double-edged question - "Do you still beat your wife?" is the equivalent in British political life of - "Are you still a commie?"
Comrade Hedy Lamarr
Cameron is the latest, UK, version of Bush jr. Without the vulgar swagger and smirk of that American nonentity; instead with the loutish, British yobbishness of a Bullingdon ignoramus. a man who knows nothing about anything. He's shown us time and time again.
I am come from working class/Irish traveller stock and grew up during the Thatcher years. I saw Margaret take on the greedy blackmailing unions that Ted Heath had backed away from and she put our Country in order and gave it back some respect on the world stage. The Falklands war was a bonus and I can still remember standing at Portsmouth on the day the fleet returned from the South Atlantic...Job done yeah!
My point is that although David Cameron is a total light weight compared with the blessed Margaret Thatcher he and the Conservatives are still a better bet than Labour and the Liberals. Wake up and smell the cawfee voters, I think they should ditch the suspect Lib/dems and form an alliance with the EDL/BNP or British Infidels and UKIP. Only they can save the country now from a bunch of communists pretending to be socialist.
Good to see the servile forelock tugging vote is still safe with the Tories.
he might have got away with joking that the last labour government's enthusiasm for id cards and other control freakery was like east germany.
but saying ed miliband's speech is about britain becoming like east germany is just silly, but this is not going to get any more grown up, today we had matthew d'ancona in the telegraph telling us that cameron is going to try and sell himself at the next election as competent.
so when that fails he will have nothing left but insults.
I think the reason that Ed's reference to Disraeli so annoyed the conservatives, was that it highlighted how far they have come from conservatism that could appeal to everyone. Hague, is very fed up by the sound of things- he was always sighting Disraeli as his inspiration, but now it is Romney. The conservatives are also in a state of shock about the ever so 'umble sir, strivers. The strivers are revolting! The cons have done so much for the strivers- reduced tax credits, lowered tax for the rich etc and yet these strivers are too ungrateful to see it. They must be made to see and must vote Tory or else. Otherwise they won't waste any more pretend policy cheap words on the strivers- oh no, they will go straight to the tea party politics, if no strivers give them votes and smile at being duped. They will get rid of those as Mitt says, 47% strivers that can't be made to vote tea party.
Most conservative mps are making regular visits to the US to see how republicans do things. They spend more time there than in the uk- and get postcards from Louise! Even Michael Green loves Vegas! Many tories are salivating over euthanising the poor. They may keep a few in jars to wipe their behinds or strivers for blood sports.
I'm a UKIP supporter and I thought Mr Cameron's observation was a bit over the top as well.
What Miliband actually proposes is to turn us into Greece.
Not ONE mention about the appalling deficit they left this country or the humungeous levels of debt they racked up.
All he did was stand on stage and recite a memorised peech - something any half decent actor can do. His car-crash on the Today Programme the next morning demonstrated his real abilities: he could hardly string a coherent sentence together.
What has the fact that you're a UKIP supporter to do with your opinion of Cameron's statement? Do you mean UKIP supporters are Tories and youd normally expect to support Cameron?
I'm a UKIP supporter and I thought Mr Cameron's observation was a bit over the top as well.
What Miliband actually proposes is to turn us into Greece.
Not ONE mention about the appalling deficit they left this country or the humungeous levels of debt they racked up.
All he did was stand on stage and recite a memorised peech - something any half decent actor can do. His car-crash on the Today Programme the next morning demonstrated his real abilities: he could hardly string a coherent sentence together.
'The last thing we need in this country is to import the worst elements of US Tea Party politics into our own.'
It's started. They know they can't win on the economy - so now they've turned to abortion. Culture war has begun and politics is going to become as putrid as it is in the US. It's the only way they can hope to keep control.
Cameron's never been particularly witty when it comes to stuff like this but now he's about two steps away from sticking his tongue out and squealing about how EdM smells funny. The East Germany comparison's as baffling as his butch comment.
"...but surely he's better at history than this". Didn't you see him on David Letterman show? He didn't know his basic British history. The prat didn't even know what Magna Carta meant!