The public want a better state, not a smaller one
New Fabian Society research shows enduring support for government-funded public services.
By Andrew Harrop Published 13 September 2012 14:40
This year’s US presidential election is a contest about the role of the state. Mitt Romney and his running-mate Paul Ryan offer American voters the choice of a radical small-state political economy, with less tax and much less public provision. Their prospectus is backed by a philosophy, championed by the Tea Party, which calls into question the very legitimacy of government action. Against them, Barack Obama offers a more European model of state-funded social entitlements. American politics may have plenty of faults, but shirking big debates is not among them.
A powerful strand in British political thinking has adopted a diluted version of US anti-state rhetoric. A combination of fiscal pressure and a reaction to New Labour’s centralist statecraft has led to a range of calls for a "smaller" state, which often conflate financial and organisational arguments. This is seen in the coalition government’s advocacy of "the big society" as something ‘big state’. Even within Labour, parts of 2011’s The Purple Book argued in favour of "leaving the big state behind".
But the Fabian Society's new report No Right Turn challenges this presumption. The state is far more popular and less "problematic" than conventional political wisdom would have us believe. When it comes to arguments for or against state spending on public services, people are more concerned with competing notions of entitlement, compassion and desert, rather than debates about the size or scope of government. It is not the state in itself, but the values and ethos that state activity represents which matter.
People respond far more favourably to pro-state arguments than almost all of the arguments against strong state intervention. The most popular statement in favour of the state was one that saw public services as a system which we all put into and, at one point or another, get some return from. Egalitarian arguments stating that public services should be provided to all, regardless of ability to pay, also received strong support.
There are some conditions on the public’s support for the state. Conservative voters stand out from other voters, with all of our anti-state arguments enjoying a positive response from them. Labour, Liberal Democrat and, crucially, swing voters are all much less sympathetic to the idea of a smaller state or more private service provision. For these voters, including those who will decide the outcome of the next election, the values and ethos of the public good remain central to their expectations of public services.
A more difficult challenge is posed by continuing public concerns about welfare dependency. The only anti-state argument to enjoy a positive response across-the-board was that a strong state makes people more reliant. Labour has struggled to find ideas and language to respond to these concerns but if it does there is real prize. If the party can assuage fears about dependency then support for state action will become even more entrenched.
The Fabian research shows there is little appetite for a rapid roll-back of public services in Britain. The Ryan plan would receive short shrift from a public that is largely signed-up to public services based on values of the public good. If Labour can successfully answer the tough questions on welfare dependency, it can be confident that when it defends the state it will get a fair hearing from a public who want strong government-funded services.
The Fabian Society's new report No Right Turn: Britain’s enduring support for public services is published today.
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13 comments
The government (the state) is the least effective castomer and owner-that`s the econonics facts.All common sphear can be serviced by private companies with the best effectivity.
The government (the state) is the least effective castomer and owner-that`s the econonics facts.All common sphear can be serviced by private companies with the best effectivity.
They never asked moi !
A smaller state please, but, keep the benefits - for the sake of us scroungers !
Who are these people that want a big all encompassing state ? Im guessing not private sector taxpayers, who actually pay for it, but those who work in the public sector or those on the left who support the state for purely dogmatic reasons.
What most people want is a state that provides basic services and a safety net for those in need but does so in an efficient and productive manner. Until the state can deal with the culture of waste, mis-management, ineptitude and a lack of accountability that are endemic in our public services the only options appears to be cuts, in attempt to jolt the public sector back to reality.
Why on earth do you think that it's only private sector workers who pay for this country's public services? Had you not realised that public sector workers pay tax too? And at the same tax rates (we'll overlook the question of tax avoidance for now)?
Of course, I'm sure that what you intended to say was that it's the private sector which creates the wealth which the public sector then spends, but this is equally fallacious: both hemisphere's contribute to the prosperity, well-being and progress of the nation. Indeed, where would business and industry be without a Police Force to provide security; doctors and nurses who ensure a healthy workforce; teachers who foster educated professionals? Who else would build the roads on which goods are delivered, and would regulate the pollution which would otherwise choke us?
You might think that public services could be better, but this only highlights how much we all need them. It is the public sector that delivers the conditions without which private enterprise could not prosper. Both need each other; they succeed or fail together. It is for this reason that a dogmatic right-wing policy of severe cuts will not work. Affordability is important, of course, but we should never forget the value of the services our taxes buy us, or the loss we suffer when these things are eroded.
Gareth
Just one minor correction to your reply, public sector workers are paid from taxes collected from the private sector and/or borrowing so although they appear to pay taxes they do not actually contribute anything to the treasury, the 'tax' that they pay is merely a return of taxes already collected.
This is misleading and a very selective way of looking at the economy. You have missed the point that all economic activity is measured by flows of money which cycle round between people, businesses and the treasury. Don't overlook the fact that a significant proportion of the income of private sector businesses comes from public sector workers spending their wages. It is cuts to the public sector which have fed through to cause weak demand in the private sector.
So even in a purely monetary sense, it's incorrect to assert that the public sector does not contribute to the economy. And beyond this, you haven't refuted my main point that public services make an invaluable contribution towards the (economic as well as social) prosperity of the nation, without which the private sector could not create the wealth which it does.
Amazing how often the Garaths of this world make this totally bogus argument. The scary part is that a good percentage of the Labour party are also ignorant in this respect.
At least I've made an argument. We need better quality debate on issues of this importance. To his credit, Mike Cox (above) has made a well argued point. In doing so, he's forced me to think more deeply about the topic. Whether or not we ultimately end up agreeing, that form of constructive comment has the potential to move us all on beyond our current understanding (degree-level Economics, in my case). A dogmatic post such as yours, with no explanation, evidence or persuasive content, adds nothing to the debate, and will likely change no one's mind.
But smaller is better. Look at Russia, a big state means big corruption. The corruption of councils with their Freemason council planners, local builders, and the police is massive and nobody has the guts to admit it, or the ability to do anything about it.
The UK has been in steady decline for many decades, so it reasonably to carry on as before and expect something different to happen?
This is disappointingly lacking in nuance coming from the Gen Sec of the Fabians. Here, as in the US, the big state / small state rhetoric is little more than that. For all the Conservative's bluster, any attempt to shrink the state is marginal at best - largely because even they know there's little public support. That means their natural antipathy to public services has been transformed into an war on the public provision of services: if we really have to have public services, then at least make it so they must be provided by the private sector.
Sadly, everyone else seems to have bought into that mindset too, so Andrew refers to 'strong government funded services' and not just 'public services'.
What we would like to see is less spending on services and benefits and much more spending on tangible infrastructure spend such as energy generation projects that will replace our energy once north sea oil runs out, tidal energy, high speed rail starting from the north, airport investment, grants and fee reductions for maths and engineering graduates. Everything basically that will improve our long term competitiveness. This is what governments should be judged on and this one has failed with a grade F.
Conservatives are in a state of denial.