Andrew Mitchell's statement resolves nothing
Chief whip continues to deny that he called the police "plebs".
By George Eaton Published 24 September 2012 8:19
If Andrew Mitchell's statement outside Downing Street this morning was intended to draw a line under the controversy surrounding his altercation with the police, it was a resounding failure. The Chief Whip began badly, stating that it had been "a long and extremely frustrating day", before rather negating that point by conceding: "not that that's any excuse at all" (why mention it then?)
He added: "I have apologised to the police, I have apologised to the officer on the gate, and he has accepted my apology, and I hope very much that we can draw a line under it there."
Then asked whether he called the police "plebs", he again denied doing so.
I want to make it absolutely clear that I did not say the words attributed to me.
But with today's Sun reporting that an official police record of the incident confirms that he did use the word "plebs", the Chief Whip's denials are only likely to invite further scrutiny of the conflicting accounts. Either he did use the word "plebs", in which case he is unfit for office, or he didn't, in which case the police are lying and, as Trevor Kavanagh puts it, he should he sue them "for defamation".
What Mitchell has still not told us is what he did say. Earlier this morning, Nick Clegg rightly called on him to "explain his side of the story" but that is precisely what he failed to do.
Minutes after Mitchell's statement, Clegg was interviewed on the Today programme. He said that Mitchell had "quite rightly" apologised, before adding that he was not going to give a "running textual analysis". Others, however, will continue to do so.
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21 comments
I'm obviously missing something. If Mitchell claims that he did not say the words attributed to him, what did he say and for what is he apologising for that has been accepted by the Officer concerned?
Dash it all, this is a case for sociolinguistics!
John Terry
Having worked, in my time, in market research, I am quite aware of the flaws in the ABCDE classification system. But it is what there is. And if offers Labour to seize the present opportunity to demand that we plebeians be guaranteed representation on public bodies. That is vastly more important than anything to do with sex, or ethnicity, or disability.
NHS Trust Boards, school governing bodies, Police Authorities, and so on: when it comes to the appointed members rather than councillors or senior staff, the number should always be three or divisible by three, with equal numbers, by law, from the local AB, C1C2, and DE populations. Since juries are already divisible by three, and since there are three on a Bench of Magistrates, the same principle ought also to apply. Again, by law.
Where necessary, which is everywhere where it is possible, there should also be guaranteed parity within each of the three class categories, at least in public body appointments, between rural and urban areas, or between rural and suburban areas, or between suburban and urban areas, or among all three, as the locality necessitates. For that matter, there are places such as here in the old Derwentside District, still used for some purposes, with countryside and towns, but no suburbs. Again, there must be balance and parity: an equal number in each class from each of the rural and the urban areas.
Ed Miliband, and even more so Jon Cruddas and Maurice Glasman, over to you.
Truth does not appear to be an absoloute to Mr Mitchell. He uses the word "clearly" frequently in his attempt to obfuscate what was said.
Users of the Dartford Crossing will be familiar with the notices on each Toll Booth that bad language and threatening behaviour will lead to automatic prosecution.
Will somebody take out a private prosecution against the Metropolitan Police Commissioner for dereliction of duty in failure to prosecute Mr Mitchell? Clearly he used extreme language which if an ordinary person used against the police would lead to automatic prosecution.
Andrew Mitchell's response is exactly what i would expect from an arrogant right wing bully that believes he is above common decency he just displays a lack of respect for the "plebs " that afford him security in his privileged position and anybody else.
I ask, who would you believe, Police officers who's evidence is accepted as being the truth daily in courts of law or the guilty squirming of an arrogant man thats been caught out showing his true character.
Please don't get me wrong this is not a phenomenon that is the reserve of the right wing. Far to many politicians of all persuasions have shown a similar contempt for us all once they are in power.
When will Politicians begin to realise they are elected to serve us .... not for us to serve them.
Frankly I'm sick of the line that even Mitchell used, " the police do an incredibly difficult job". No, plumbers do an incredibly difficult job twisting into tight corners with a bad back; bricklayers do an incredibly difficult job when it's teeming with rain all day long. Most of the time most police do bugger all, and very occasionally some of them have to do nasty stuff, but that because they are police, and if they don't like it why not get a more productive job.
According to the camera on TV, it seems that the main gate and the walking gate are not that far apart.
Is it a big tantrum that minister had, and lost his head other 3 yards?
Is it typical of rich people to think that they are always right therefore what they want should be granted without explanations?
In answer to the last question - unfortunately, yes, it is often the case. I wonder how many in the various service sectors have been taxed with the question 'Do you know who I am?'
[The appropriate answer to the above is 'Yes - an over-inflated w*nk*r. Please leave - there isn't room for your ego."]
Over inflated ego says the man with a personalised logo. Sure you're not a overpaid police officer?
i find it absolutely disgraceful that this fine gentleman of impeccable pedigree should have to answer to plebs like us about his dealings with other plebs.
we are not worthy, that much should be clear by now?
Politicians have for years relied on the 'spun' public perception of them as decent, honest, hard working (and underpaid) individuals, selflessly working for their constituents and the public good.
Public perception of them now, is of worthless, greedy, self serving parasitic freeloaders, currently run by a cabal of out of touch public school bully boys.
Was it the Westminster 'spinners', the Tory Press or M.P.s' general behaviour that has formed current public opinion?
What Mr Mitchell was alleged to have said and to whom he may have said it is largely irrelevant, for me it was the attitude he exhibited in dealing with someone whom he clearly identified as socially inferior.
Unfortunately, he represents a political party that accomodates many who share his immensely privileged background and people may attribute to them the same attitudes.
You know, rather like we are expected to believa all benefit claimants are work shy scum and like Lazarus of Bethany the disabled should recover their functions and get a bl##dy job.
What beggars belief is that anybody votes for any of them.
This is one of the best comments I've read on here since I started reading them. Full marks for saying what most of us think.
Your photo caption says that Mitchell again denied calling police officers 'plebs'.
This is not so. When asked if he called them plebs he said this:
"I want to make it absolutely clear that I did not say the words attributed to me."
That is not the same. It is sophistry and semantics and should be treated with utter contempt.
He - and those sent out to defend him in the media - also keep reminding us that he apologised to the officer and that this apology was accepted. We should remind ourselves in this respect that this apology was made before he spent the following days denying that he said anything wrong - which renders it cynical, false and worthless.
Contrary to what he says, he has been anything but clear about what he did and did not say, and it is time for this to be cleared up once and for all, as there are currently two wholly incompatible versions of the affair in circulation.
If the police want respect they should show some to the public. This attitude of guilty until proved innocent has to stop. They should understand their place in society and not extrapolate, but observe. If they want to put their brains in gear now it's a bit late, they should have done that in school.
If the police want respect, the crimes of chief constables should be made public, and all officers who are also Freemasons sacked. How can antbody respect a force where many officers are part of a secret semi-criminal society.
The faults of the police are an entirely different issue, and cannot be called in defence of Mitchell - unless there is proof of lying in this particular instance.
However, the guilt of Mitchell, as a member of this despicable bunch of the arrogantly wealthy - laughingly called a 'cabinet' - is already established. They function as a representative clique of the vested interests happy to pull the country backwards in pursuit of yet more lucre for their own class - at the expense of the wider national interest.
All the Mitchell incident provides is a beautifully succinct image of this essential and truthful picture.
I agree with George Eaton on this issue, but there it is also galling for the Police Federation to play politics here and adopt a "holier than thou" attitude. They had better tread carefully on that line of attack.
All Mitchell has to say is what he said and if he lied he gets on his bike to the backbenches, never to return. The Police might also want a quiet word too and they can annouce if they are/are not taking it further via the lawcourts.
If Mitchell just lost it in a more minor way that the public would accept and did not use the words attributed to him by the police, then he contines with his work. The police officers are then called in by their superiors for a little chat and Mitchell announces he either is/is not taking the matter further via. his lawyers.
It is very simple really.
'Pleb' has the stamp of a public schoolboy insult all over it, and it has been reported that Mitchel uses it liberally . Can it really be postulated that two police officers can have made it up? Armando Ianucci maybe, or Craig brown, but not two gate-keeping policemen.
What planet do you occupy? What about Hillsborough? The poor Brazilian man shot on the London Underground?
etc etc.
And who says Mitchell uses the word pleb liberally? How do you know? "Reported" by whom? The Sun? The Police Federation?
'Can it really be postulated that two police officers can have made it up?'
It's not impossible. You've been reading about Hillsborough I assume.
Tough, thaough, to have to choose between the word of a copper and the word of a politician. In this particular case, however, I can't see what the police would gain by lying.
'Pleb' has the stamp of a public schoolboy insult all over it, and it has been reported that Mitchel uses it liberally . Can it really be postulated that two police officers can have made it up? Armando Ianucci maybe, or Craig brown, but not two gate-keeping policemen.
I feel strongly to put my comment on that.
I found it incredible that o man at this level cannot come front of the camera and said what he has apologised for without being economical with the truth.
This person worked all his life to be where he is and not respecting his role by being honest.
That i found it disgusting,disgratful, incomprehensible, not worth the position he is.
He call himself a father, what role model he gives to his daughters?
I lost my job and my compensation because people in high positions than me told lies and being economical with the truth.
I fully understand if the police officers are angry and i'll support them if they take this further.
As a member of the public, yes i want to know the all truth, this man thing is above the reste of us, it is showing the way he spokes in front of the camera.
I totaly agree with Mr Trevor Kavanagh, let see if this minister has got what it takes to be a real man.
I cannot wait for the next episode.