We should abolish the House of Lords, not reform it
Labour should completely reject the coalition's proposals.
By Tony Benn Published 12 July 2012 11:28
The House of Lords is a medieval relic from a time when land ownership was a major source of political power, and just as ownership of land moved from generation to generation so did the titles. As the House of Commons became the prime chamber the powers of the Lords were eroded and life peerages broke the historical link with land ownership.
This body we are commonly told must be replaced by one which is part elected and part-appointed; but it would inevitably acquire – through election – an authority that could be used to challenge the primacy of the Commons.
There is a case for a national advisory committee to look at legislation and make recommendations to the Commons, which would be the deciding body. This committee should be a representative gathering of people from different parts of our society, which would not be called Lords or enjoy any of the finery associated with that chamber.
How such an advisory body could be established would require further thought, to be sure that it would be genuinely representative of experience and interests and would have a contribution to make to legislation through its advice.
To do this would be to abolish the House of Lords altogether and start afresh in a way that was useful and constructive. The Labour Party should be working on this idea and should reject completely the proposals the coalition government has brought forward.
This piece originally appeared in the New Statesman supplement "Reforming the House of Lords", free with this week's magazine.

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13 comments
Nice article..... interesting.
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To threaten the continuation of the medieval institution of the House of Lords is to threaten the continuation of the un-elected head of state and her fabulous salary and open expense account.
If it were to happen I’m sure we would get a true understanding of how sincere Mrs Windsor’s consideration, compassion and concern is for her subjects.
To propose a change that will get virtually no support in the Commons, the abolition of the Lords, will have the effect of ensuring no change at all. When has a government ever allowed the recommendations of a well intentioned advisory body to overide the vested interests of wealth?
This issue should be determined upon perusal of the empirical facts and not such nonsensical claims as are made in undergraduate textbooks written by lazy English politics academics who standardly make the unsubstantiated claim that Britain is the "mother of Parliaments" and that our constitutional arrangement of "checks and balances" between the H. of Commons and the H. of Lords is "the envy of the world".
In fact I can trace only one major piece of transnational comparative political research into the issue, conducted by a British academic. The late Professor, Lady Baroness Wootton, who was a Head of Department at the London School of Economics, sat in the Lords and served at one time as a moderate minister in a Labour government.
She concluded that all bicameral systems of government are obstructionist, superfluous or both.
In any case it is significant that so few younger nations have chosen to emulate our bizzare undemocratic arrangements.
For the fully feathered House of Lords every day is Christmas Eve.
Once we were told that we had to pay M.P.s more because they could earn more in the City, then we were told we had to pay them a very generous re-settlement package because of the difficulty a ex M.P. finds getting employment after Westminster.
Now we dare to threaten closing their bolt hole; the Best Club in Britain - outrageous.
We should reform the House of Lords in the same way they reformed the Russian Monarchy. Then we could reform the House of Commons so that it does its job, namely representing the common people and holding the executive to account. Then we can start thinking about the monarchy. We could have an elected monarch. I'd vote for Tony Benn.
Well of course it could be very awkward for Mr.Benn to finally admit, let alone publicly confess what a clanger he dropped when he gave up his rights , back in the sixties.
He was running on ahead I think, too far and too fast. I think his actions in giving up a seat in the Lords may have seemed very dashing at the time.. but typically short term.
After all, what do we have now? Even cabinet ministers can be a Lord and/or Baroness as we saw with Lord Mandelson and lately Baroness Warsi.
Surely it makes sense to make the most of what we have here in the UK, especially what's left of our wonderfully generous, largely unwritten and therefore flexible UK constitution, including the ability to create the occasional appointment when necessary or appropriate.
Eminently sensible proposal from Mr Benn.
Abolition ? - ABSOLUTELY !
However... Turkey's, Vote, Christmas... comes to mind !!
I think the review committee proposed by Mr Benn could be chosen by lottery, along the lines perhaps of Jury service, thereby avoiding the dilution of legitimacy that a second tier of elected mandate would undoubtedly produce.
Tony Benn - My all time favourite politician. Will buy a copy of the issue especially.
I couldn't agree more. The built-in gridlock of American politics, with its bicameral setup, is a salutary warning on this issue.
If they want to reform the Lords on the same lines as the USA’s second chamber then I am quite happy as it is at the moment because it seems like many US Presidents have been stifled. Maybe asTony Benn says if we are to reform then abolish The House Of Lords altogether.