3:30 on an Olympic Friday? Great time for Michael Gove to bury news
Teachers at academies will no longer need qualifications.
By Martha Gill Published 27 July 2012 16:34
Interesting that the Department for Education chose today to remove requirements for teachers working at academies to have Qualified Teacher Status (QTS). The change means that a centrally approved year of teacher training is no longer necessary – the onus of choosing and training employees will fall to schools themselves. A spokesman for the Department for Education told the BBC:
This policy will free up academies to employ professionals – like scientists, engineers, musicians, university professors, and experienced teachers and heads from overseas and the independent sector - who may be extremely well-qualified and are excellent teachers, but do not have QTS status.
A positive change then – freeing schools from lots of unneccessary bureaucracy? The Spectator thinks so:
This change might sound technical but its importance is that it means that academies will now be able to employ people who have not gone through a year of teacher training. Previously, an academy couldn’t have employed, say, James Dyson to teach design without him having done a year in a teacher training college.
It's a shame that someone who knows alot about vaccum cleaners hasn't yet been allowed to teach people about this. Still, why would Gove announce this today, when everyone's attention is on the Games?
Christine Blower, General Secretary of the National Union of Teachers, has some reasons:
Our 2011 ComRes poll showed that 89% of parents want a qualified teacher to teach their child, with just 1% comfortable about those without Qualified Teacher Status (QTS) taking charge of a class.
By his own admission, Michael Gove is relaxed about profit-making from schools. He takes his inspiration from Sweden where profits are being made by reducing the number of qualified teachers, and where educational standards have fallen. By contrast, the reason Finland scores so highly in international tables is because they value teachers, trust teachers and pay teachers well.
“Parents and teachers will see this as a cost-cutting measure that will cause irreparable damage to children’s education. Schools need a properly resourced team of qualified teachers and support staff, not lower investment dressed up as ‘freedoms’.
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62 comments
Brilliant idea we are getting there. Very good news for me as I am a butcher but with this government help I would like to be a hospital surgeon soon. My brother is in between jobs at the moment. He is the brain in our family. Got 2 "o" Levels - perfect Teacher. My big uncle is a member of a secretish mafia.org. No need to say which government job he is (un)qualified to have.Watchout Mervyn King - my cousin is a debt collector (and is looking for work).
This has to happen across all schools.Well done Mr Gove..It has to be done.The experience a well vetted non QTS teacher can bring is huge.You would be amazed at the skills and qualities bring to to classroom.
This has to happen across all schools.Well done Mr Gove..It has to be done.The experience a well vetted non QTS teacher can bring is huge.You would be amazed at the skills and qualities bring to to classroom.
This has to happen across all schools.Well done Mr Gove..It has to be done.The experience a well vetted non QTS teacher can bring is huge.You would be amazed at the skills and qualities bring to to classroom.
This has to happen across all schools.Well done Mr Gove..It has to be done.The experience a well vetted non QTS teacher can bring is huge.You would be amazed at the skills and qualities bring to to classroom.
This has to happen across all schools.Well done Mr Gove..It has to be done.The experience a well vetted non QTS teacher can bring is huge.You would be amazed at the skills and qualities bring to to classroom.
This has to happen across all schools.Well done Mr Gove..It has to be done.The experience a well vetted non QTS teacher can bring is huge.You would be amazed at the skills and qualities bring to to classroom.
This has to happen across all schools.Well done Mr Gove..It has to be done.The experience a well vetted non QTS teacher can bring is huge.You would be amazed at the skills and qualities bring to to classroom.
What a shocking news! I just got an offer to do my PGCE training. I strongly believe that the teaching method has to be learned before you start the actual teaching in schools. Otherwise, what the students can learn from you. Schools are not labs! We can't sacrifice our children to the government's experiment!
I completely understand that teachers need to be qualified, however I also see the advantage to someone who wishes to become qualified with QTS possibly taking on a couple of classes to teach over the school year. This already happens in a lot of schools, but it also allows experience to build. As the governement has cut bursaries for PGCE's already and changed them every year since been on power, lowered the number of places available on GTPs and PGCEs each year unless it's deemed a needed subject (chemistry, modern foreign languages, etc) it makes it more and more challenging to actually get on a course to gain QTS. I do not feel that teachers should not have QTS for ever, it's just having tried for 3 years to get on a GTP and PGCE in my subject area and finding that numbers just get cut each time making it more competitive you need to have something that will make you stand out from the rest. With GTPs changing and not being called that anymore and more control being given to schools to employ and train and tuition fees being paid up to 12,000 in some areas, maybe schools do need to step up and start to look at what they can do to train the new generations of teachers.
I don't feel that teachers should be able to teach for the rest of their lives and not do the training but it gives more opportunity to gain experience.
So Academies are to get more money but won't have to employ qualified teachers. When this is added to Gove being happy about these schools making a profit - what you have is taxpayers paying more, for poorer quality whilst those running these Academies line their pockets.
What makes this even more suspicious is that two women who applied to form an Academy in East London, despite have a great deal of experience were rejected.
We have had to field several job applications for the post of teaching assistants from people with degrees. The first question they ask is whether we will fund them to become a teacher via the GTP scheme, which the school has to mentor them and pay for. This is before we have even tried them out as a teaching ASSISTANT! The people applying do it because they want a route into the profession paid for by someone else. Can't blame them on one level, but why should individual schools have to pay for it, and nurse them through it? We are not a TTA or an emploment bureau! Teachers need to be graduates who have been trained on an accredited course, end of.
This is a bad idea! I have been a professional in my field for 14years and thought I was an excellent trainer. Then I did my PGCE (QTLS) and found I was not as good a teacher as I thought I was. There needs to be both experience and teaching knowledge otherwise you have a person who can stand up and talk, NOT stand up and teach! I was humbled by the amount I did not know about enabling learning and by the students I had failed! There is no replacement for QTS! Instinct is not enough!
I think we can all agree that Mr Gove is an absolute eejit. However, fortunately we work on a day to day basis with professionals who do give a toss about the welfare of our young people and the education they receive. Any head teacher worth their salt will recognise the importance of having a team of qualified staff to teach their cohort. Here is simply another foolish initiative from a misguided politician. How this is implemented luckily resides with heads who have experienced the benefit of formal teacher training themselves.
Obvious way to cut costs and undermine the profession. Gove really is a poisonous man.
You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. You'll see!
I was a bar manager for 10 years and was fortunate enough to get a career change opportunity as a member of support staff in a school in north London. Like many (obviously, from reading the tripe here) I thought perhaps teachers had it easier than most and I'm sure that while some in private schools do, they certainly do not in state schools. I work in a departmental office so I see what happens every minute of the day; it is not a piece of cake and one bad teacher can drag an entire department down. The idea of a so-called 'professional' just strolling into a classroom and automatically doing the job is ridiculous, even ignoring the obvious pay cut they'd have to take to do it. A Computer Science graduate is going to get a job in the private sector for twice what they'd earn teaching, the good ones at any rate. Mr. Gove's idea would simply attract people who are not really cut out for the best jobs to take up a career they wouldn't even have to train for (the easy route, if you will). Your typical and/or moderately successful professional earning 40k-75k per annum is not going to give up their job to teach because it would simply not be financially prudent to do so. I say this as someone who is not a teacher but inevitably plays a supporting role in classrooms. I would not want to do it day-in-day-out without appropriate training and I know that despite my technical expertise (which is considerable) I would not be a good teacher right now, because I don't know "how" to teach. Anybody out there think Joey Barton would make a good P.E teacher? Thought not.
Another quite ridiculous initiative from Michael Gove; what a tool.
Joe Bloggs, you are talking through your ass. If teaching is such a dream job, how come half the students who go on teacher training ,give up mid course when they realise what a shitty job it actually is. Imagine how many untrained so-called "professionals" would walk out of the class-room first time they are told to f..off by one of their charges?
And if it is such a holiday, hey! Joe Bloggs, since now anybody can do it, why don't you have a go? Then come back and tell us how lovely it was!
I never said teaching was a dream job. I agree teaching is to some exttent a stressful job. I greatly admire good teachers. I do realise that teaching is a noble profession and there are lots of good teachers. The problem is that there are lots of piss poor ones aswell and the NUT wish to keep paying em. Also, there are lots of more stressful jobs.
@newstatesmankaren:
I am glad you like yourself and that you think you are an outstanding teacher. The fact you can't write a correct sentence in a three lines comment will reassure any parent doubting the government's wisdom.
You are also saying that teachers have no need of " pay and conditions" regulations. Brilliant! it is with people like you that our children will learn self respect and how the world works. I dread to think of the next generation being "educated" by people like you.I despair.
I have taught for four years without QTS and am an outstanding teacher ! Let's give heads the support to create the right blance in our classrooms I am better qualified in my subject field than any of the qualified teachers at school
The argument is about protecting teachers pay and conditions which as far as I am concerned are outdated !
Whilst I agree that QTS is not the be all and end all it is still vital that all those who teach have been through a standardisd accredited training programme. This ensures everyone entering the profession has had equal access to learning teaching theory and practice. QTS on its own does not make outstanding teachers, however the training does enable those who may already be naturally gifted teachers to understand and therefore improve their practice and others who may not be so naturally gifted to learn good teaching practice.
In response to you NEW STATESMANKAREN, well done for being an outstanding teacher, I assume that this is how you have been graded during lesson observations? If so, were you graded against the qualified teacher standards? Anyone who does not have QTS does not have to be assessed against these standards, therefore making it possible to cover up problems in the quality of teaching and learning; difficult to take action such as competency and easier not to invest in staff contiuing professional development.
This is not simply about protecting pay and conditions - it is about ensuring that all those who stand up in front of the class to teach are properly equiped to do the job and ensure that they remain so.
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Hmmm,this reply sounds more like an advert for snake oil. "Hi, I'm Barry and I lost x lbs using this, and I'm not just being paid to do this advert". I think you're a shill.
I agree 100%. As inflation goes up, pay should go down. Also, as parent-pupil harassment and verbal and physical assault on teachers rises, outdated notions of good working conditions and professional respect should be replaced by body armour and ear-plugs. Thank god we have people like you teaching our children. I was terrified my own kids would grow up to be optimistic forward thinkers who believe people should be valued and rewarded. I'll sleep easy knowing that they'll be taught by someone with absolutely no teaching skills who has demonstrated a particular aptitude for running a corporation built entirely on vacuum cleaners. This is all thanks to your unsubstantiated and irrelevant anecdotal comments.
HOW DARE THE GOVERNMENT DO THIS!
We must protest for the protection of our children and their wellbeing, mind, body and spirit! Get these f*ckers out of our government now!
PROTEST with all your might, parents. Say no to this takeover, and it will be a takeover - before we know it headteachers will also be told they're no longer required. Somebody's got to be in place to protect our children. Before we know it schools will be mind control camps. We've got to know what these people's intentions are. This has gone too far! PROTEST! PROTECT! Our children's future will be destroyed - they're not going to have a future the way we want. Watch MKUltra on YouTube. These people are much, much worse than mere paedophiles.
Sorry, I meant "cost cutting exercise", not whatever rubbish I wrote.
I was told by my first head last century that the subject you taught didn't matter. What was important was the teaching METHOD.In other words children needed to be taught by good teachers and it didn't matter what.
I was pretty shocked by this revelation which was news to me as I was in love with my subject and I didn't see the point teaching if you had nothing to transmit to the next generation.Teaching skills and methods was everything in the 80's and 90's, and I had to live with this dogma all my professional life.
Now Mr Gove is telling me that it was all wrong, that I wasted my life worrying about my teaching methods and my relations with the pupils. He is now telling me that in fact, all along ANYBODY could have done my job!! this is galling!
Mr Gove is an imbecile who, if left to run the most important show in the country, that is education, is going to destroy what is left of the British education system, It is outrageous that anybody could contemplate putting unqualified people in charge of whole classes of children.What is more outrageous is that it is causing so little outrage among parents and the press. What is it with this country? you really don't give a damn about your kids.
The suggestion that Dyson could make a good teacher because he knows about designing a vacuum cleaner is laughable.First of all a good designer like him would never contemplate going into teaching, a very hard job with very little financial rewards and a lot of stress. why would he? what makes Mr Gove think that successful professionals would be tempted to go down that path? No, all the people here who said it was to allow schools to employ cheap staff, probably badly educated but very cheap class-room assistants, have figured out the reason for this change. It doesn't take a PHD to realise that this measure is a cut costing exercice and has nothing to do whatsoever with improving education in schools. This guy is taking British people for idiots and...well it seems to work.
As to the evangelical nutters out there not to mention paedophiles, it is like giving a child the key to the candy store.
To Luna:
So teaching is: "a very hard job with very little financial rewards and a lot of stress. "
Purleeeze. A teacher with 5 yrs and no promotion is making £32K pa: plus London weighting if you work there, plus allowances, plus most teachers I know make extra for exam marking, invigilation, evening classes, private tuition etc.
If they are any good and get promoted to head of year, head of dept etc they are making a lot more than that by their early thirties.
Also teachers get 14 weeks hols while the engineer and everyone else gets 4. Stress? A policeman or a soldier firemen paramedic or casualty nurse can tell you about stress. Teachers don't have to work night shifts or weekends or start at 5am or work Xmas or New Years Day or weekends or pick up bits of dead bodies from road accidents and apart from Phillip Lawrence, don't often get killed on duty.
I too am appalled at the way that Joe Bloggs portrays the teaching profession. I work at least 72 hours every week as a full time teacher during term time. I also work during school holidays, including running support groups for students. I recieve no additional pay for any of this. I do not have any additional responsibilities that provide me with monetary recompence for my working hours. I am simply a hard-working and conscientious teacher who wants to provide her students with the best education she can.
We may not have to "pick up bits of dead bodies from road accidents" (Joe Bloggs), but in addition to our very long working hours, and often abusive students and their parents, we also have to deal with many students suffering from the affects of often difficult life events. We are not just teachers. We are emotional support workers, carers, guidance councillors, and family liason. And this only covers a small part of the job. Teaching is certainly not 9-5, 5 days a week, 3 terms a year. It is a way of life, a way of life that is constantly being made more difficult and in some schools, is virtually impossible to do correctly. The fact that you cannot leave your work at the school gate increases the stress put upon you as a teacher.
I am not belittling the work of the emergency services, as commented by Joe Bloggs, in any way. However, I wish for people to understand that teaching is certainly not a 'easy ride', as some may think.
Your initial statement is empirically wrong when googled against the Department for Education Website. Your anecdotal evidence is worthless being essentially "There is this guy I know who does stuff" . Your bonus pay statement revolves entirely around someone taking on a second job which, lets be honest, is not really any different to working a few nights in a bar while being a QT. Your argument about stress is articulated in the manner of someone who has a stubborn refusal to acknowledge that unless you are working sixteen hours a day picking up cadavers, you've got it easy.
What's your job? I'll trade for a term or two and see if your stress statement still stands!
What's your job? I'll trade for a term or two and see if your stress statement still stands!
Except that it won't be children getting access to the classrooms. It may be more sinister than we can imagine. WE MUST SAY NO! Is our government selling us down the river? Go to YouTube for real terror about what's going on in USA, and for all we know, has already started over here:
Cathy O'Brien Speaks of Mind Control
Mind control MKUltra
Arizona Wilder on Government Mind Control
MKUltra victim Brice Taylor
Disney New Subliminal Message
50 year old Cartoons predict the future
Of course this is a cost cutting exercise, Academies can now use teaching assistants as teachers while paying them considerably less than what a qualified teacher would earn, because after all, they won't be qualified teachers will they??
Of course this is a cost cutting exercise, Academies can now use teaching assistants as teachers while paying them considerably less than what a qualified teacher would earn, because after all, they won't be qualified teachers will they??
As one of the above contributers correctly points out, it was only fairly recently that a PGCE qualification was deemed necessary. The teacher training colleges turn out lots of people like Blower, which is another good reason for Gove to bypass them.
The NUT (or any other teaching union) has NEVER in the last thirty years been in favour of ANY educational reform whether introduced by a Tory or Labour govt. I do not recall any NUT gen sec ever making any positive suggestion as to how the educational system could be improved. The teaching unions combine far left student union fantasy politics with a luddite jobsworth mentality which thinks schools exist in order to provide a meal ticket for their members. They are part of the problem not part of the solution. Any secretary of state for ed quickly realises that they are a roadblock which has to be driven over rrather than an organisation which has any interes in educating kids.
Use of the term 'teacher training colleges' exposes how dated your understanding of teacher education is.
In addition, it is not the role of the NUT to write policy, a union is there to protect the integrity of its profession, something which Gove is on his way to destroying.
It is important that children are taught by those who know how to teach, safeguard, manage and engage them, not just those who are experts in their field.
Can you give me an example of ANY occasion when the NUT has made a positive response to any reform suggestion over the last thirty years? Any example of an occasion where it has made any positive suggestions of its own?
"A union is there to protect the integrity of its profession."
The NUT aint: it is there to serve the interests of its members, rather than those of the students. Gove's idea might be worth trying, especially as it bypasses the educational establishment.
"It is important that children are taught by those who know how to teach, safeguard, manage and engage them, not just those who are experts in their field."
True. But the system as it currently exists does not seem to produce many such, and has not done so since the seventies. Maybe its prejudice on my part, butmy instinct is to assume that anything the teaching unions are against, the rest of us should be in favour of.
Just because you can 'do it' yourself doesn't mean you can teach someone else to do it.
Some of our finest sports people have proved ineffective at coaching the best out of others.
A bad idea.
the same is true whether QTS or not. one year's training won't change it.
Not at all - one year's training will find out whether you can or not. I'd rather it happened there than in front of a class of children.
I assume you'd be equally in favour of anyone who wanted to, say, join the army being parachuted into Afghanistan tomorrow?
Really? What we need is the paedo's teaching a bit of kiddie fiddling! This will blow up in the Goves arrogant face.
Really? What we need is the paedo's teaching a bit of kiddie fiddling! This will blow up in the Goves arrogant face.
Really? What we need is the paedo's teaching a bit of kiddie fiddling! This will blow up in the Goves arrogant face.
Really? What we need is the paedo's teaching a bit of kiddie fiddling! This will blow up in the Goves arrogant face.