Tax avoiders like Jimmy Carr have nothing to fear from Osborne
The Chancellor's plans will allow the vast majority of tax avoidance to continue uninterrupted.
By Richard Murphy Published 19 June 2012 11:43
"I regard tax evasion and indeed aggressive tax avoidance as morally repugnant." So said George Osborne in his Budget speech in March. I hope he meant it. The trouble is he has not evidenced it.
Last week, the government started a consultation on the introduction of what is, in effect, the tax anti-avoidance rule recommended by Graham Aaranson QC as a result of a review Osborne commissioned in 2010. The government says that this is a general anti-avoidance rule. The trouble is that is precisely what it isn’t.
I can say that with confidence. Aaranson himself said in his report:
I have concluded that introducing a broad spectrum general anti-avoidance rule would not be beneficial for the UK tax system.
In other words, what Aaranson suggested was not a general anti-avoidance rule. He did instead propose:
[I]ntroducing a moderate rule which does not apply to responsible tax planning, and is instead targeted at abusive arrangements, would be beneficial for the UK tax system.
The trouble is that his plan – now adopted almost wholesale by the government - is intended as a result to only attack what he described as the "most egregious" tax abuse schemes. I met with Aaranson during his review process. What he clearly meant was that his intention was that the vast majority of tax planning should continue uninterrupted. Indeed, he says in his report that a broadly based general anti-avoidance rule
Would carry a real risk of undermining the ability of business and individuals to carry out sensible and responsible tax planning. Such tax planning is an entirely appropriate response to the complexities of a tax system such as the UK’s.
May would disagree. He was also worried that such a scheme:
Would also inevitably in practice give discretionary power to HMRC who would effectively become the arbiter of the limits of responsible tax planning.
To make sure that didn’t happen he wanted representatives of the tax profession – dedicated almost solely to tax avoidance as it is – to decide which schemes were acceptable or not. That’s like putting the foxes in charge of the hen house.
That’s why I doubt that Osborne is committed to tackling tax avoidance. And it is why I have always supported a general anti-avoidance principle in the UK, and not a general anti-avoidance rule. As a tax avoidance specialist said in the Times (£) today:
It’s a game of cat and mouse. The revenue closes one scheme, we find a way round it.
That is what happens when you have a rule. A principle is something quite different. It looks at intent. It is not about box ticking, as rules are (which is why they are so easy to get round - general anti-avoidance rules included). It is about looking at what you did and using that evidence to assess on the balance of probabilities what your intentions were.
So, if, for example, you arranged your affairs so that you provided your services via a series of companies, one of which happened to be in Jersey which lent you back the tax free income it had received so that you appeared to have no legal requirement to pay tax in a way that a more commercially obvious arrangement might have given rise to then it would be reasonable for someone – and I think that someone should be HM Revenue & Customs – to decide you’re tax avoiding. And if that’s what they decide then if we had a general anti-avoidance principle they could say that the scheme was abusive and take the obvious step of simply ignoring all the steps put into the arrangement likely to be solely or mainly included to save tax. They’d then tax the commercial substance of the deal and not the artificial arrangement put in place solely to avoid tax.
Of course any such HMRC ruling would be subject to appeal to the courts, but the taxpayer would have to show why the scheme was not tax avoidance: the burden of proof would be on them.
This changes the way we assess tax in the UK, without doubt, and in a way Aaranson and Osborne clearly do not intend. But even the Times said today in its leader:
The British tax system is unfair. It charges the vast majority of people the basic rate of income tax, and expects them to pay. It asks a minority to pay higher rates of tax, and then invites them to avoid it.
That is true. A general anti-avoidance principle rather than a general anti-avoidance rule would radically change this and would provide the power needed to deliver a fair tax system in the UK. That’s why Michael Meacher MP is tabling a private member’s bill to introduce a general anti-avoidance principle into UK tax law this week.
It’s what the Times wants. It’s what the UK needs. But will Osborne find the moral will to back it?
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So as I understand thing at the end of this review it looks like the government will be saying to their "tax avoiding" cronies, 'look don't worry we are going to make it look like we are toughening up and we will talk about a "rule" but that's OK your clever accountants can just find another way around it.' So in other words the poor and low paid and those on fixed incomes will carry on paying high tax while the richest avoid it - business as usual then! And I am not in the least bit surprised, I expect no more from this hideous Tory government.
i think there appears to be alot of defensive arguments for jimmy carr, i don't know why.
first he thought it was absolutely fine, then he stated that he paid all taxes that were due and then he apologised. Is he going to pay the tax savings he made? I don't know.
However we need to focus on the layers and layers of complexity that we added to the tax system adding reliefs for this and reliefs for that and then on top of that we have this tory govt also making things complicated with who gets child benefits or not (what a dogs dinner of a tax system we have ended up with).
The bottom line is that you need a phd in mathematics to understand the system, so drop all the tax reliefs out there and reduce the headline tax rate for everyone and not just those who can employ accountants. (personally i would use the gains from dropping ALL tax reliefs by getting rid of national insurance and lower headline rates - which would be a real vote winner).
To understand UK tax policy you have to appreciate the way the City of London operates to draw money to itself and the way the government (of any party) regards the benefits and risks involved. When working well the City is a vast money earner for the UK and the country doesn't have many of those. When, as now, things are not going so well, the City is carrying vast debts that are a potential time bomb. It has been through the Bank of England's work since the 1950's to build a network of low tax high secrecy jurisdictions around the former empire that much of the money has been drawn to London. A consequence of setting up systems to facilitate people and businesses to avoid tax and regulations in other countries is that it has made it harder for domestic tax collection to work effectively. Only when government has the confidence to abandon the City and give the rest of the country the priority in policy making that it deserves can this be resolved. In the meantime the City is the policy priority and while HMRC may try to stop oiks using the systems intended for wealthy foreigners and multi nationals there will be no real change. Of equal concern are the effects of this priority on other areas of policy including turning UK government expenditure into private investment assets to decrease the risk of attack by speculators observing the weakness of the UK economy due to excessive bank debt.
You don't believe that Tory mumbo jumbo do you???
You have a government who at it's core is old style Tory it's like watching the Torys in Harold McMilliam and Alex Douglas Hume time.
A bunch of people from the right families lining their pockets at the expense of the people. Their art in doing this is to talk out of both sides of their mouths and be a vague as they can so they can be all things to all men, it is just about who at the time they are trying to mislead
Well if Cameron finds Carr's tax arrangements morally wrong does conman Cameron also find a dishonest election campaign "morally wrong" Does he find a dishonest manifesto "morally wrong" Does he find his habitual lying "morally wrong" Does he find forcing people weeks to live into the hands of the DWP and losing their temporary benefits "morally wrong" Does he find conning people out of their pensions "morally wrong" Does he find loading generations of innocent people up with banker debt morally wrong Does he find his tax avoiding friend and adviser Phil Green's arrangements "morally wrong"
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The American charge tax on their subjects, no matter where they earn the money, no matter where they live, no matter what other passports they hold. Why do we not do the same? The answer is in the article. The people who are in charge are the foxes and the ordinary taxpayer, on PAYE, has no opportunity to legally avoid tax. The others, like Osborne and Jimmy Carr have tax accountants who know the loopholes and see no reason why they should not use them. Many of them move to Switzerland and work from there, after they have had their education and nurturing in the UK, and appear to have no conscience on the morality of such moves.
Solution: You have a UK Passport and you pay a percentage of your total income to HMRC. No ifs, no buts, no allowances but for your pension and personal allowance and these need to be defined very carefully. You earn £1,000,000 you pay 40% of your salary at the time you receive it. It is deducted at source and you provide the source with the documents to make the payment. HMRC would provide all self assessed tax payers with incomes over £50,000 per annum with these documents.
I may be missing something, but it seems that under your proposal, a UK passport holder who moves to (for example) Germany, and is employed there, would have to pay tax in both Germany as well as the UK. Doesn't sound very fair to me.
"HMRC would provide all self assessed tax payers with incomes over £50,000 per annum with these documents."
That would be a huge buracracy cost. For people earning less than £2m per year only a small proportion of them agressively avoid tax.
What about the biggest tax avoidance of all which is people investing their money tax efficiently such as buying a family house or house for let (and getting the benefit of deductions which is why it is worthwhile doing) ... wouldnt more pressure on people to pay tax on income push more of them to seek to receive gains in other ways?
I think what is needed is the moral compass of people to be strengthened, self assessment system and a policing HMRC. We have 2 out of the 3.
normal people ike dont have the option of not paying tax, it is taken from our wages, my thoughts are if you can avoide the tax why not do it?
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Yes you do. Go and talk to your employer, and see if they mind you invoicing them, and being paid direct. You can then sort out your own tax.
They will probably jump at the chance as you then will save them a huge amount of NI, and you will also have absolutely no rights as employee: holiday and sickness pay. paternity/maternity, redundancy, unfair dismissal etc. You will also have to either learn a lot about tax in order to submit your own tax return and avoid tax, or pay a large bill to an accountant.
It's not that most people can't, it's that most people don't want the hassle, and all the uncertainty that goes with having no rights as an employee.
Um, yep, that's what "can't" means.
The contributer doesn't know the difference between a "rule" and a "principle". Consequently the crux of his argument is pointless. Where he gets the notion that a principle "looks at intent" is absolutely beyond me. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. Calling a rule a principle doesn't make it a principle, particularly when he totally muddles what a principle is. Lesson 1 for Richard Murphy is to go and read Dworkin about what the difference is between a principle and a rule. All GAARs examine the intent (some objective, some subjective) of the taxpayer in determining whether or not not the GAAR should operate to counteract a transaction or not.
A rule states things have to work like X, A principle says they 'should work like X. A tiny change, a big difference
A rule states things have to work like X, A principle says they 'should work like X. A tiny change, a big difference
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33% across the board, unearned & earned
I say I say I say ... have you heard the one about the Labour crack down on tax avaoidance when they were in power?
Neither have I.
I did hear about Labour's polically motivated tax crusade against small businesses which has left a gaping whole in the UK private sector from the last decade which should be filled with SMEs.
Sorry, its not very funny.
Inastew, everyone loves your jokes. Didn't you know, North Sea Oil production has declined since 2000.
Inastew, everyone loves your jokes. Didn't you know, North Sea Oil production has declined since 2000.
So the new anti-tax avoidance laws doesn't stop tax avoidance? Well, that's a shocker.
Why can't they just make a law that is working as intended? Is it that hard? jocurile
Look, comedians have always had a complicated relationship with money. Bob Hope admitted he had a second home in Washington DC to be near his money.
And we'll have to admit Jimmy is a comedian - people do pay to hear his jokes. Taxing for some of us, we know.
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I read an interesting perspective at bit.ly/tax-avoidance. I agree that there is a moral element to it but at the end of the day everyone wants to make money, there is an issue with everyone's attitude, people should not have to resort to tax avoidance schemes in the first place.
You only have to frame the question 'But will Osborne find the moral will to back it?' to realise that it's a non-starter.
A General Anti-Avoidance Principle in order to judge intent!! What utter nonsense! This is like welcoming the thought police!!
And besides, what about HMRC riding rough shod on Parliamentary intentions e.g. trying to invoke the settlements legislation in family owned companies when the Conservatives, who introduced Independent Taxation, in a parliamentary question on this gave categoric assurances that they were not looking to disturb such arrangements?!!
The article is skirting round the main issue viz. legislation that is badly thought through and badly drafted. The government cannot remain blameless if it provides scope for people to so arrange their tax affairs that they minimise their tax liability. Where is the law that says that we should so arrange our tax affairs that we end up paying the maximum that we possibly could to the Treasury?
Tax is a business cost like any other, and if there is a legal way of mitigating that cost then he would be a foolish businessman indeed if he did not consider reducing it.
Is not News Corp involved in tax avoidance itself; using tax havens to shelter tax? So why the moral outrage against Jimmy Carr? The terms "Speck" and "Log" to mind!!
As laymen drown in a confusion of terminology , they miss the point.
The K2 Scheme and it's Ilk do not work anyway and an Anti-Avoidance provision brought in , in 1936:- Currently Section 720 Income Tax Act 2007 kills it stone dead amongst other rules such as the Ramsay Principle!
What enables Promoters to flog this nonesense is the tardiness with which HMRC operate to attack these things!
The Promoters will go into Liquidation leaving Carr et al to fight on and eventually pay up! In the end it's a low interest loan!
Absolutely!
I was reading the proposed planning and thinking that the Hayley Mills case was enough to block it, and that's got whiskers on it.
As laymen drown in a confusion of terminology , they miss the point.
The K2 Scheme and it's Ilk do not work anyway and an Anti-Avoidance provision brought in , in 1936:- Currently Section 720 Income Tax Act 2007 kills it stone dead amongst other rules such as the Ramsay Principle!
What enables Promoters to flog this nonesense is the tardiness with which HMRC operate to attack these things!
The Promoters will go into Liquidation leaving Carr et al to fight on and eventually pay up! In the end it's a low interest loan!
As laymen drown in a confusion of terminology , they miss the point.
The K2 Scheme and it's Ilk do not work anyway and an Anti-Avoidance provision brought in , in 1936:- Currently Section 720 Income Tax Act 2007 kills it stone dead amongst other rules such as the Ramsay Principle!
What enables Promoters to flog this nonesense is the tardiness with which HMRC operate to attack these things!
The Promoters will go into Liquidation leaving Carr et al to fight on and eventually pay up! In the end it's a low interest loan!
As laymen drown in a confusion of terminology , they miss the point.
The K2 Scheme and it's Ilk do not work anyway and an Anti-Avoidance provision brought in , in 1936:- Currently Section 720 Income Tax Act 2007 kills it stone dead amongst other rules such as the Ramsay Principle!
What enables Promoters to flog this nonesense is the tardiness with which HMRC operate to attack these things!
The Promoters will go into Liquidation leaving Carr et al to fight on and eventually pay up! In the end it's a low interest loan!
Only the lower classes get a good kicking
after all what do they do...according to the rich and wealthy
they should be thankful for their lot.. and know their place
we the mighty... thinkers and scribblers ..with a grasp of grammar " don't forget "
must sit on our arses and..." think"
of what you must do to make our lives comfortable
ACTORS ..THE ARTS..LAWMAKERS.. WRITERS OF BOOKS .. KINGS and other layabouts are your betters
Yawn.
Lets face it, the Labour Party is all about propelling a rich elite into power. Take millionaire Ed Balls for example. Made his money by ....???
Whoever appointed Aaroson to propose an anti-avoidance strategy when the man lives off tax avoidance?
This is from his webpage:
Graham Aaronson practises exclusively in commercial taxation, with extensive experience both in advisory work and in litigation through to the Supreme Court and the ECJ. For many years he has concentrated on a number of particular areas of commercial taxation – especially complex transfer pricing disputes, the UK taxation of multinationals, and oil taxation. He is currently the lead Counsel for the claimants in 5 of the 6 ongoing EU law based “Group Litigation Order” corporate tax actions against HMRC. A substantial proportion of his time is devoted to dispute resolution, whether preparing and conducting litigation or advising on the strategy and tactics for achieving a successful resolution of disputes through negotiation or mediation. His client base comprises virtually all of the multinationals with operations in the UK. Instructions are often direct from the largest companies as well as through all of the big 4 accountancy firms and most of the major law firms.
http://www.pumptax.com/barristers/640/graham-aaronson
What a lot of nonsense:
1. Firstly Aaronson was the chairman of the 1997 Tax Law Review Commisssion that recommended a broad GAAR. The Labour Government rejected this.
2, Secondly, the GLO he was involved in dealt with situations where HMRC (as it then was) had collected tax in breach of EC Law. No tax avoidance, just an abuse of administrative power and the search for an appropriate remedy.
"His client base comprises virtually all of the multinationals with operations in the UK. Instructions are often direct from the largest companies as well as through all of the big 4 accountancy firms and most of the major law firms."
That's shocking! It's like appointing Jeremy Hunt to rule on the BSkyB bid!
plus "He is currently the lead Counsel for the claimants in 5 of the 6 ongoing EU law based “Group Litigation Order” corporate tax actions against HMRC."
we are well and truly a banana republic in the pocket of big corporations!
"Of course any such HMRC ruling would be subject to appeal to the courts, but the taxpayer would have to show why the scheme was not tax avoidance: the burden of proof would be on them."
Seriously? You want to over turn a 1,000 years of jurisprudence and insist that the accused prove themselve innocent rather than the prosecution having to prove them guilty?
Don't you think that there might just, you know, possibly, be a civil liberties issue here?
As ever Tim you show how little you know
A taxpayer has to certify their tax return is right
It is always their duty to prove that claim is right
It is you who does not understand the jurisprudence here
I think it is you that is talking out of your hat. If their claim is believed to be incorrect by HMRC , then a GAAR would be unnecessary. HMRC would be able to disallow their claim (or include and anount previously not included in taxable income) according to the substantive law You totally miss the point of a GAAR.
As ever Tim you show how little you know
A taxpayer has to certify their tax return is right
It is always their duty to prove that claim is right
It is you who does not understand the jurisprudence here
As ever Tim you show how little you know
A taxpayer has to certify their tax return is right
It is always their duty to prove that claim is right
It is you who does not understand the jurisprudence here
Who is this ignoramus? We are talking about tax avoidance (a civil matter) and not tax evasion (which is criminal). The Revenue says this is the intention of Parliament, that’s how we assess every other taxpayer. Surely, it’s for the tax avoider to prove why they’re entitled to preferential treatment. Nothing wrong with Murphy’s ‘law’!
"We are talking about tax avoidance (a civil matter) and not tax evasion (which is criminal)."
That doesn't really work I'm afraid. Because the difference between avoidance and evasion is whether it's legal to do it or not. So, if it's illegal to do it then obviously, by definition, it is tax evasion.
Ah but you see, these tax avoiders are actually wealth creators, it is their amazingly creative acts that are taking this nation forwards. They are the ones out there spending in our shops, restaurants and Kwik Fits. They are indirectly providing works for literally ones of people.
So, if the government taxed them, they'd then have to move somewhere else, like, er, Singapore. Imagine how hard their lives would be trying to make the Singaporeans laugh, it's verging on cruelty to both the Singaporeans and these funny old tax evading types.
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