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Memo to Sunny Hundal: Iran isn't "developing nukes"

Iran Watch, part 9.

US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta, who says Iran isn't developing nukes
US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta, who says Iran isn't developing nukes. Source: Getty Images

I made the mistake of getting into a Twitter spat with my good friend Sunny Hundal yesterday, on the subject of Iran's nuclear programme and the failure of Barack Obama's "diplomacy" efforts". I raised the issue of the US president's hypocrisy over the whole Stuxnet affair.

Sunny replied:

I've said before - until Iran keep developing nukes and ignoring diplomacy, BO [Barack Obama] is obliged at act.

I have to say that I was slightly taken aback by this strange statement. Iran is "developing nukes"? Now, I expect such sweeping, fact-free, propagandistic claims from the Israeli foreign minister or someone like Newt Gingrich or even Melanie Phillips but et tu Sunny? Shouldn't we expect more careful language, even on Twitter, from the editor of a blog called "Liberal Conspiracy"?

I'm not sure if Sunny has been following my Iran Watch series of blogposts, of which this post is the ninth, so let me remind him of what the facts are; in fact, let me show him how his "views" on Iran are more extreme and to the right of even the US and Israeli defence and intelligence establishments.

Here's the much-discussed verdict of the 2007 unclassified National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), the consensus position of the United States's 12 intelligence agencies:

We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program. . .  We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.

And, as Seymour Hersh has reported, the latest 2011 classified NIE doesn't dissent from the 2007 report's conclusions on Iran:

A government consultant who has read the highly classified 2011 N.I.E. update depicted the report as reinforcing the essential conclusion of the 2007 paper: Iran halted weaponization in 2003. “There’s more evidence to support that assessment,” the consultant told me.

Here's the Israeli intelligence community's position (via Christian Science Monitor):

Israeli intelligence also does not believe that Iran is currently pursuing a nuclear weapon.  In January, Haaretz reported that Israel believes Iran "has not yet decided whether to translate [its efforts to improve its nuclear power] capabilities into a nuclear weapon - or, more specifically, a nuclear warhead mounted atop a missile."  That same month, Israeli military intelligence chief Gen. Aviv Kochavi told a Knesset hearing that Iran is not working on building a nuclear bomb, reported Agence France-Presse.

But Sunny persisted for most of yesterday afternoon, claiming that, yes, Iran was "developing nukes". Note the wording: not a civil nuclear energy programme which could one day, theoretically, be converted into a as-yet-undiscovered/unstarted nuclear weapons programme. Nope, according to Sunny, they're "developing nukes", that is, nuclear weapons.

But here's US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta speaking in January:

Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No.

Hmm, pretty clear, right? So, I wonder, does Sunny know something the US Defence Secretary (and former CIA chief) doesn't? If so, he should probably get in touch with the Pentagon and give them his secret intel.

Or perhaps not. You see, Sunny seems to think that Iran's open and undeniable enrichment of uranium, which is the country's legal right under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, amounts to a weapons programme. It doesn't.

Sunny's last line of defence, during our Twitter spat, was to try and accuse me of being "naive" and lacking "credibility" for not acknowleding that the Iranian government "wants" nuclear weapons. Perhaps they do, perhaps they don't. But those of you who remember, as I do, arguing with Iraq hawks in 2002/early-2003 will find the speculative rhetoric eerily familiar.

For the record, and for the first time in my life, I happen to agree with the head of the Israeli military, Lieutenant General Benny Gantz, who told Haaretz in April that Iran

is going step by step to the place where it will be able to decide whether to manufacture a nuclear bomb. It hasn't yet decided whether to go the extra mile. . .  I don't think [Ayatollah Khamenei] will want to go the extra mile. I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people.

I like Sunny and I admire his wit and passion but, on this ultra-important subject, he is hopeless and dangerously out of his depth. Then again, he might change his mind. I vividly remember him arguing, loudly and forcefully, in favour of Obama's prosecution of the Afghan war back in late 2009 on a trip to Nato's HQ in Brussels - a pro-war position that he recently and thankfully disowned (again, on Twitter). I can't wait for his U-turn on Iran and am happy to continue providing him with the facts he may need in order to execute it. 

43 comments

budisantoso's picture

Actually Iran can better to help solve the problem in Arab. God bless Iran. Good Luck

Disimpan.com's picture

Osborne and Clegg say there will be no newsprint in the next few years- the Statesman's circulation figures suggest problems with getting people to part with cash for your paper are entrenched- might I suggest looking at the content of this article and asking whether this may be the reason nobody buys?

Indonesia's picture

i dont like this > I've said before - until Iran keep developing nukes and ignoring diplomacy, BO [Barack Obama] is obliged at act.

Mr Humanus Wright's picture

Quote of the Day - Regarding Gareth Williams, “The world was ours for the taking.”. There's a rumour going around that Gareth may of had some sort of a covert mission in relationship to 'Dolly the Sheep', prior to his demise, but it hasn't been fully substantiated! Apparently Alex Chapman didn't know about this covert relationship, but he may have Saw(ers) alot! Ronan Summers definitely didn't have anything to do with it, even though he loves to drink Tenets! We all love Wiltshire (Porton Down) more than Gloucestershire (GCHQ), even more so then Worcestershire (RSRE). Military Radiations Signals Intelligence always use to do his head in, especially when using ELF or VLF frequencies, impacting directly on the 'Neural Oscillations' of the Central Nervous System. Nothing to do with BCI, RNM, Synthetic Telepathy ... that would REALLY BE MAD!!!

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Babz's picture

The Twitter spat between Sunny and Media Lens was funny. Sunny really shouldn't comment on international politics, he's clearly clueless.

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newsitewon'tacceptname's picture

When this year is done, and everyone is asking how on earth our political media managed to strangle our ability to deal with the most wide ranging social, political, and economic changes for over half a century, one of the things that will give me most pleasure is the examination of the nonsense poured out by our political press. Sunny is a gullible yet malleable idiot with no concern about whether the opinions he regurgitates on demand stand up to the most basic scrutiny. Libcon a useful site because since Sunny had his damascene conversion it is a good place to see how Labour will spin something, mainly cos he isnt bright enough to to hide it. The er..Heat magazine of a defunct political blogosphere...

Like you, his only purpose is to be one the flingers of nonsense that prevent examination of our current political and economic trajectory. Fools like Sunny are useful because they don't know they are fools, the question is Mehdi- do you want a career that goes beyond the next year or so? Because I really would look at the content of the New Statesman in the context of our current situation and ask if you will have a career- because if anyone is coming here for 'political commentary' outside a bunch of labour boys pretending the world hasn't changed, this is not the place to go,

Osborne and Clegg say there will be no newsprint in the next few years- the Statesman's circulation figures suggest problems with getting people to part with cash for your paper are entrenched- might I suggest looking at the content of this article and asking whether this may be the reason nobody buys?

It is going to be deeply enjoyable watching the implosions of our political media culture. Deeply,

Will Hinch's picture

Have a read of my blog for some weekly irreverent nonsense

http://hinchysweeklywaffle.blogspot.co.uk/

Julia Harris's picture

Memo to Mehdi Hasan : Iran is "developing nukes"

myouz's picture

Memo to Julia Harris. When are you going to stop peddling this anti Islamic filth and bile which so far you seem to get away with. Face ti your raison etre is to villify, demonise in the most banal of comments any comments which are mifly supportive of Islam, Muslims or the Palestinians!!! You really are an evil troll!!!!

jankaas's picture

memo #1 to Julian; stop being so arrogant as to assume you know better than US State secretary Panetta et al.

memo #2 to Julian; your claim that mehdi had left the NS was wrong.

memo #3 to Julian; as per memo #2 you just make shit up all the time, do stop already.

myouz's picture

Hi Jankaas,

I realy do admire your patience in dealing with the vile Julia whose poision pen contributions are just that!!!

Go GG's picture

memo #4 to Julian; get lost and find yourself an Israeli site to share your BS with your fellow idiots.

John Cheese's picture

Memo to Jank-butt: don't let facts smack you in the face. As a matter of fact, if you are going to keep you head in the sand, why not take a peak at the Fordo underground facility. You're a moron...

IEIA verified LEU totals, now averaging 247 kg monthly, was at 8 kg Dec 07.
Medium-enriched 20% grade uranium now available, with traces detected at 27%.
Hope they don't screw up undectable detonation tests cuz when that happens, Israel will probably green light.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/04/just-a-reminder-iran-still-closing...

mittfh's picture

Although >20% U-235 is weapons-usable (i.e. could be used in crude, inefficient weapons), it's also the minimum enrichment level needed for fast neutron reactors (which are currently operational in China, India, Russia and Japan; while Russia and India also have ones under construction). These typically have between 20% and 50% U-235.

For a proper nuclear weapon, you need at least 85% enrichment. Even if Iran was actively seeking to build one, it would probably take many years. The underground facilities are probably to protect their enrichment facilities in the event of certain countries launching pre-emptive strikes.

Besides which, take a cursory look at a map of the Middle East and note all the countries which either have nuclear weapons or have US airbases (so could be used as a staging post) and any use of nuclear weapons would very quickly result in M. A. D. - so if they were developing them, it almost certainly wouldn't be with the intent of ever using them (other than in tests on their own soil).

However, they may have noticed that countries with nuclear weapons (e.g. North Korea) tend to get treated with the proverbial kid gloves.

So regardless of whether they intend to develop one or not, it almost certainly pays them to remain ambivalent over the issue.

Babz's picture

Do you understand any of what you've written? Evidently not.

jankaas's picture

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John Cheese's picture

Ha Ha, thought so....get back to me with your book report, euro-loser!

jankaas's picture

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iRule's picture

Lol, I can't belive this is true.

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jankaas's picture

and yet is is butter.

Coleridge 's picture

What profound logic. Ahmadenejad is building nuclear facilities in mountains. He has constructed unground nuclear facilities. He is prepared to suffer crippling sanctions simply to generate electricity to power up his vibrator! How stupid can Mehdi "non-Moslems live like animals" Hasan actually get?

myouz's picture

No surprises there that Coleridge continues to inhabit a world of self delusion. The ridiculous claptrap you come up with is just plain bull. Clearly your standard of education has not progressed beyond grade three. I guess you feel at home with your EDL mates. Enjoy!!!!

freedemocratNew statesman's picture

Iran does "not" aspire to nuclear weapons as Mehdi Hasan does "not" write articles which are apologies for every variety of islamofacism and islamofascist regime.

freedemocratNew statesman's picture

Iran does "not" aspire to nuclear weapons as Mehdi Hasan does "not" write articles which are apologies for every variety of islamofacism and islamofascist regime.

Will Podmore's picture

'Coleridge' asks, how stupid can Mehdi get? Not nearly as stupid as Coleridge repeatedly proves himself to be.
Does 'Coleridge' have any evidence for his assertions? No. Does that ever stop him pontificating, insulting and proving himself a fool? No.
'Coleridge' is a disgrace to the name of the great Samuel Taylor Coleridge.

jankaas's picture

so you are arrogant and deluded enough to think you know better than US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta? no surprise there then, you've never been restrained by your own lack of intellect and comprehension.

mbrecker's picture

Hasan should look at it this way. No matter how many facts you put in front of them, the right wing will continue to have selective amnesia. I know they have WMD's. Really? Can you prove that? No. But I know they're there!

The only reason this continues is to make money. Sell books, DVD's, the lecture circuit, paid "commentator" jobs on network TV, and so on. Besides, if these people stopped lying, what would Hasan write about?

John Cheese's picture

Sometimes facts whup you upside the head...

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikileaks-documents-show-wmds-foun...

Babz's picture

DO you mean to say the US secured old drums of chemicals weapons the UN knew about but hadn't got round to destroying? Well done. Let's wage war over that!

John Cheese's picture

So obviously you're also mad at:

Albania, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Poland, Romania, South Korea, and the United Kingdom.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm

myouz's picture

Why don't you crawl back in the gutter from which you came. You are an evil racist, pure and simple!!!!!

Babz's picture

Eh?! Why are you listing the hilariously yet patronisingly named 'Coalition of the Willing'?

John Cheese's picture

Talk to some of the relatives of the gassed Kurds in a dark alley & see how long you keep your ignorant opinion...

jankaas's picture

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John Cheese's picture

@jank-poop: wasn't even responding to you?? what a turdblossom...

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