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Luckily, his anti-Muslim tract gains little traction in the US.
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it's a turd of a film, and it has only impressed the easily impressed. but at least you've now used the term "correlation" rather than thinking there's a proven causal link. baby steps, but worth pointing out Julian. well done you!
Its actually an incredibly impressive short film that demonstrates the racism and fascism inherent in the Koran. It extracts quotations from the Koran and then shows the audience how Moslem fanatics seek the realization of those objectives by the wholesale slaughter of non-Moslem civilians.
yep you are mighty easily impressed Sebastian.
so you think that cherry picking passages from the Koran and then playing back cherry picked scenes of violence is scientifically rigorous and intellectually consistent? wow.
i wonder if Fitna shows some data analysis to show exactly what proportion of Muslims participate in the "wholesale slaughter of non-Moslem civilians." i'll bet the farm Wilders studiously avoids providing this minuscule percentage. (remember about 25% of humans are Muslim)
and, you must also believe that the Koran instructs Sunnis to murder Shi'ites and vice versa? where's that bit then in Fitna? or in the Koran for that matter....
Ah, one of the easily impressed.
Jihadi's like you keep trying to silence anyone who brings any attention to these murderous Muslims
Exactly home have I tried to silence anyone fruitloop? If you are the best the EDL can muster it must really be struggling.
Whom you mean, not Home you dimwit.
I haven't seen the EDL hurt or kills anyone....same really cant be said for the fascists Muslims
I am not a typist bitch (btw its "fascist Muslims" not "fascists Muslims" bozo), try answering the question instead of pedantic nit picking.
Evidently you must have your eyes and ears closed at the EDL meeting you go to. That they are not more violent than they are is down to the Police.
I am a Muslim and it has not been lost on me how non-Jewish westerners equate racism not with with oppression of Muslims and blacks - but with the oppression of Jews. The irony is that Jews have moved from being the victim of racism to its phenomenal implementer. I particular dislike white women for the high regard they have for Israel while the latter has been carved out of non-white land.
Junis - apartheid Pakistan, Jew-free, Hindu/Sikh/Christian cleansed cries out for your return.
Another ID for the Zionist sock puppet. Your days are numbered; the Defamation Bill will expose you and you poisonous ilk.
I've voted Labour for over 30 years. However as I read and re-read the comments from Arminus, samtheman and others of the islamist persuasion, I am afraid that I begin to see Mr. Wilders' point.
well if that's all it took to turn you into a bigot there's not much hope for you making sense any day soon.
and just in case you're not just another sock puppet from the Alliance, what exactly has Wilders got right then?
F off sock puppet.
It's so obvious that the Islamist bigot Arminius/jackass are one and the same. Both comment within minutes of each other and both use the same term 'sock puppet'. How sad that this Islamist fanatic feels the need to pretend that there is more than one of himself to make his extremist postings more credible.
nope, i have no idea who Arminius is beyond someone who really really really pisses off the 'shallow enders' on the NS threads. but if you prefer to think of us as one and the same, be my guest. i'll add it to the list of incomprehensible labels attached to me by the Alliance of Bigots; Islamist, Christian, Atheist, goat&corpse sh*gger, Pakistani, Afghan, employee of various hate groups etc etc etc
oh, and any time you feel up to debating anything do tell....though that's not what you are for now, are you?
you lying little wnker. You post comments using both names within minutes and using the same language and spreading the same Islamist anti-Jew poison, Holocaust denials and support for neo-nazi Islamism, and you then claim you are two differen people.
like i said Spastian, believe what you want if it makes you feel more secure about yourself.
Best to leave the computer alone when you are sh*tfaced sonny.
'Nope': a favorite expression used by Jankass whom we know is also responsible for the posts provided by Arminius to peddle his Jew-hatred like referring to jews as zhids and complaining that the Holocaust was "incomplete."By a complete fluke it also happens to be a favorite expression of Mehdi 'non-Moslems live like animals' Hasan. Have a look readers at yesterday's Guardian piece by Hasan on Turkey. Conclusions anybody?
I conclude that you are a trolling sockpuppet bigot. Your days of online trolling are numbered:
question Arminius, as i do feel very strongly about those Holocaust accusations that are repeatedly hurled at you. did you ever write on the NS threads that you feel the Holocaust was incomplete? in other words, did you share the aspirational goal of that vile event - the extermination of the Jewish people?
i ask because i have never seen anything that even hints at such, yet there are some posters who insist relentlessly ad nauseum it happened.
i will take your answer at face value.
Since this seems to bother you so much I will let you have an honest reply, something which you may not be used to on the NS site.
After much goading from one of our resident Zionist trolls asked me a very loaded and nakedly insincere question about the holocaust along the lines of what I thought about the extermination of the Jewish race in Europe to which I replied and this is verbatim, "incomplete". I did not lament it as incomplete or express a longing for a repeat or any such nonsense. Jews managed to survive in Europe in spite of what is often described as industrial scal murder in many ways. They were hidden by non-Jews all over Europe including in Germany (something which was very risky for these non-Jews), they hid themselves (Jews were living "under the radar" in many German cities right up until the end of WW2), they fought in the Allied Armies and in Resistance Groups and, almost unbelievably, some (French) Jews survived by fighting in the Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front (these were former LVF men who transfered across to the SS Charlemagne Division). Their survival is remarkable, not something to be lamented. In this context (rather than the context presented to you bt rabid Zionists) the Holocaust was incomplete as it did not wipe out the Jewish race in Europe (Hitler's threat was "die Vernichtung der juedische Rasse in Europa"), the Jewish race still exists in Europe despite the persecution of European Jewry during WW2 (the term Holocaust was unknown when i studied the subject as part of the history of Germany 1900-45 at school in the 1970s) and the establishment of Israel. Indeed the Jewish population of some contries in Europe is growing, especially in Germany of all places. This is a worry for Israeli fascists such as Avi Lieberman, who has set aside large amounts of money for propaganda aimed at Jews in Germany (and other countries) to persuade them to "return" to Israel).
From what I have read on past threads, your concern is individuals using the Holocaust in an inappropriate way but it cannot have escaped your notice how it is used by Israel and other Jewish institutions in what Norman Finkelstein has referred to as "The Holocaust Industry". I will not add to your concern by lecturing you about the way this is done but you only have to look at the massive fraud that is the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany.
There you have it the "warts and all" explanation. The short answer to your question "did you share the aspirational goal of that vile event - the extermination of the Jewish people?" is no.
thanks Arminius. that tiny tiny tiny doubt i had is laid to rest. so we're 'good' as they say.
and yes i am painfully aware of how so very many people, whatever their particular agenda, abuse the memory of that hideous event. i find it utterly unacceptable when it is used to clobber others with for petty point scoring. as a topic to be remembered and discussed truthfully i find it of exceptional importance, but there is a time and a place. like i said, to date the ones who keep dragging those deaths through the mud are the shallow enders, no need to name them again, they know who they are.
What a pathetic attempt by this islamofascist Arminius/Jackarse to justify:
1. Lamenting that Hitler's murder of 6 million Jews wasn't enough and "incomplete";
2. Referring to Jews by the racist derogatory Russian abusive term "zhid";
3. Idolising the Nazi war criminal and collaborator, the Palestinian mufti of jerusalem Haj Amin el- Huseini, who was sentenced to death in absentia in France for Nazi war crimes;
4. Attempting miserably to exonerate the Moslem SS Handschar who murdered 90% of Bosnia's Jewry;
5. Deliberately attempting to delegitimse and slander democratic Israel as a camaflauge for his racist hatred of Jews generally;
6. Supporting fascist/Islamist states and organizations such as Iran and Hamas who openly call for the killing of Jews.
Clear evidence of incitement to racial hatred. And it's also pretty clear who Arminius/jackass actually is!
Shame on the NS a once proud left wing paper for allowing racist anti-semitism to be posted and remain posted on its website. Pretty soon the siht will hit the fan scumbags.
Case dismissed and costs awarded against fascist Zionist scumbag.
Well done to the NS for allowing even the most extreme of the lunatic fringe to have a say and thereby exposing them for the bigots they are. However, the Defamation Bill will mean that even they will have to expose the identity of the trolling dross here. I look forward to that day and cross referencing the names with leaked EDL and BNP membership lists. The clock is ticking troll.
Hey racist anti-Semitic scumbag your comments have been retained. By bye and hello Belmarsh.
Dream on bagel boy. There will be no internet access in your rubber room in Broadmoor.
How quaint. The Islamist nutter Arminius/Jackass talking to himself.
so apropos of nothing you suddenly stick your oar in. what a jerk you turned out to be Spastian. by all means believe we are one and the same person if it floats your boat dear.
Stop Pres!! Asda have sold out of Bacofoil. Zionist trolls bulk buying to manufacture tinfoil hats.
So whose running scared about the proposed new legislation to to reveal the identity of trolls. In your case Arminius/Jackass incitement to racial hatred happens to be a criminal offence for which you are likely to spend time together with your dear mate Abu Hamza in Belmarsh.
If the above is supposed to provide some 'explanation' or 'excuse' for your racist, anti-semitic jibe/lament that the Holocaust was "incomplete" - I'm afraid it fails miserably. Nobody buys it! May I suggest that you return to MPAC where your anti-semitism is much appreciated.
I am confident that you will not do prison time for your on-line lunacy since your lawyer will plead that you are criminally insane. An open and shut case if ever there was one. Enjoy the happy life in Broadmoor.
there you go again Coleridge; sh*tting on the memory of those poor unfortunates who were annihilated. it's as if you get a kick out of doing so. for shame.
and there's another sock puppet. thanks for spelling my name in such an amusing and original manner WC Shitwell (see how i am wayyyy funnier than you).
then on to the content of your petty rant; yet another piece of scum and vermin who thinks that the Holocaust is there to be abused to score petty points. in the months i have posted and read posts on the NS i have never seen anyone but JJJ, Coleridge, Frederic, and a cavalry of sock puppets from this Alliance of Bigots refer to the Holocaust as 'incomplete'. haven't seen Arminius post this vile statement even once, the Alliance do this on a weekly basis.
on and on and on they say it, just like you did now WC Shitwell, and by doing so p*ss on the memory of those who were annihilated. cowardly scum and vermin the lot of you.
This from the Zionist sock puppet himself. Don't these EDL meetings keep you busy enough that you bring your insane bigotry to this site?
as intellectually corrupt as Wilder's is he is a perfect exploiter of the current economic crisis, and, the fact that mainstream Dutch politicians have failed to deal with immigration, housing, unemployment etc etc (sound familiar?).
as history shows repeatedly; when times are tough ensure that a minority is blamed for everything, paying absolutely no attention to evidence or facts, just get hysterical and watch the votes come rolling in.
around 20% voted for Wilders not all that long ago. 20% ffs!!!makes me ashamed to be Dutch.
What would help these debates considerably is to stop the deliberate and disingenuous conflation of race with religion.
Religion is a matter of choice. Race is not.
Religion is an ethical choice that people live by. Race is something that is a consequence of genetics and consequence.
Every time you hear a religious person cry "racism!" it's because they are trying to avoid the same scrutiny that is applied to political views.
If Fascism just proclaimed itself a religion it would be above scrutiny.
Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all repugnant and intolerant of those outside of the faith. They are abusive to women. homosexuals and anyone who dates to question them.
We shouldn't tolerate any of them; we should challenge them and question them. Every-time they try to claim racism they should be shamed for their blatant abuse of the term.
you seem to have constructed a straw man for yourself.
The vast majority of Muslims and Christians know there is a distinction between race and religion.
This conflation is a secular accretion that came about through the rise of nationalism.
Zionism catalysed this confusion further by depicting Jews as a race entitled to their own nation state.
you say, religion is an ethical choice people live by, true but not the way you think.
If religion is simply an ethical choice than everyone has a religion because human beings are incapable of living outside an ethical framework.
As humans we are also carriers of the past, the vast majority of people no matter what ethical framework they live by, so called religious or otherwise, adopt the ethical framework they are born into.
I think with a statement like "Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all repugnant and intolerant of those outside.....", it is no wonder people belonging to a faith accuse those criticising their religion of racism and bigotry.
nearly 4 billion people around the world accept those symbols as genuine and true basis of their understanding of the world.
I dont know why billions of people should make way and accept your intellectual space, which is marginal at best.
your world view will never procreate enough to sustain the longevity of religious community.
Its the tolerance of the people of faith thats allowed you to prosper.
If we had Wilders way than an oppressive minority will want to make the religion of 1.6 billion illegal.
how stupid and misguided is that.
Islam is a non-tolerant ideology, the proof for that is clearly set out in Qur’an. It’s beyond wishful-thing and into a delusion to think that Muslims and non-Muslims can live peacefully and on equal terms. Once Muslims are in control of an area then, only Islamic rules and customs apply and it is goodbye to universal values and diverse cultures. The birth place of Islam (Saudi Arabia) is an excellent example of what an Islamic country looks like when Muslims have things their way. It is to West’s own determent not to tackle the influx of Muslims.
"Islam is a non-tolerant ideology".
I hate to think what you'd say about Islam if Muslim were responsible for the two world wars. The genocide of Jews in Europe, The Genocide of Bosnian Muslims in Europe, If Muslims actually dropped nuclear bomb, If Muslims were the ones who designed weapons of mass destruction, and armed the world with weapons to destroy us over a million times.
I hate to think what you'd say if the ethical system or any religion for that matter, gave us the unsustainable debauched life that is threatening our existence.
If the "Islamic idelology was behind the econimic collapse and the general pauperisation of the people.
I wonder i wonder.....
You need a lesson in more things than i can ever imagine
Regardless whether non-Muslims are good or bad, Islam itself is a non-tolerant, period. You can not justify Islam’s evil by saying its less evil than others.
I'm not justifying anything.
I cant see how you can say Islam is more worse, non tolerant etc..
Islam was not behind any of the global mega wars or the instruments of death and a lifestyle that will cause our doom.
i'm talking about structural impact on our very being and what are you going to do, cite a bunch of raga tag terrorists causing mayhem.
If even 1% of the global Muslim population were convinced of the methods of Violent Jihad, you'd have 16 million Muslims ready to wear suicide belts.
An average Violent Jihadist kills 10. Do you see 160 million deaths around the world.
do you see the so called 1% causing more harm than the first or second world war.
your in clown cuckoo land if you believe in this propaganda.
WW1 and WW2 were waged on material disputes/greed, NOT in the name of false gods. For the last 1400 years Islam has in an un-holy war against non-Muslims (with no end insight). If Arabs had Israeli’s military capabilities, Israel would have been wiped out long time ago. As far as I know if Muslims acquire power they WILL commit far worse and more CRIMES than anything has been seen before.
but as you know so very little Peace1940 your version of history and reality can be safely dismissed.
GO AWAY. jakASS.