A very British anomaly
It's time to end the historic right of Anglican bishops to sit in the House of Lords.
By Nelson Jones Published 29 November 2011 12:18
One thing above all stood out from Rowan Williams's evidence yesterday evening to the Parliamentary committee looking at proposals to reform the House of Lords, and that is that the Church of England is very keen to maintain its peculiar historic privilege of having bishops in the legislature. Indeed, he and the church he leads see it as a vital part of their wider role in British society.
The present situation might be seen as anomalous, he conceded (albeit "a constructive anomaly"). There were no ecclesiastical representatives deputed from Scotland (where the Presbyterian church also has official status) or from Wales or Northern Ireland, where there are no established churches. In a multi-faith society the absence of automatic representation for other religions might also be seen as problematic. Williams wouldn't object were some mechanism found for incorporating Jewish, Muslim or Hindu leaders, though he foresaw problems in identifying such leaders. But he didn't seem to think of this as much as a priority, in any case, since the religious voice was so well represented already by himself and by his fellow Anglican prelates.
It's at times like these that you realise the centrality of its legal establishment to the Church of England's sense of itself. The word is not ill-chosen. The church is indeed part of the British Establishment, and it shares vital characteristics with other parts of the country's ruling elite: an air of benignity and good intentions, impeccable good manners, a ready espousal of progressive ideals (more recently coupled with an enthusiasm for fashionable jargon), above all a sense of unshakable entitlement to its own historic privileges and a rat-like cunning in preserving them.
A perfect illustration of the latter came in what was by far the most newsworthy part of the Archbishop of Canterbury's presentation -- his suggestion that the first women bishops be fast-tracked into the House of Lords, thus avoiding a long wait until one of them achieved the necessary seniority. The church, he said, was "very conscious that one of the reproaches that can be laid against the bench [of bishops] is that it's not exactly representative in gender terms."
A lovely piece of Williams understatement, that. The implication is that a quota of Anglican bishops that did include a woman would be somehow more legitimate -- and thus have more of a right to be part of the legislature -- than an all-male one. But this is neither a good argument for having bishops in the House of Lords, nor for ordaining women bishops.
Another classic piece of Anglican chutzpah was Williams's claim that the job of the bishops was not to represent the interests of the Church of England at all. In fact, they were "bishops of the realm", uniquely able to provide a "faith perspective" on legislation. Williams was at pains to point out that the bishops weren't just there for the Anglicans, or even for the Christians. They formed a focus for "the web of relationships in communities they serve". They were able to "bring their experience to bear on all aspects of civil society". They had a "unique capacity to express common values". They even had (in their dioceses) "something like constituencies".
All this may be true. I'm sure that bishops, on the whole, are wonderful people. And I wouldn't deny that faith leaders have a part to play in the wider debate surrounding proposed legislation -- as do the leaders of other interest groups in the country. Nor is it unreasonable that when crossbench peers are appointed -- assuming that a future second chamber is not to be wholly elected -- present and former faith leaders be considered as candidates. But it's something else entirely to argue that a particular subset of religious leaders should also be ex-officio legislators.
In what was perhaps his most audacious comment in favour of the status quo, Rowan Williams suggested that for him and his fellow prelates to be ejected from a reformed second chamber (something that doesn't form part of the present reform proposals) "would be to send a signal that the voice of faith is not welcomed" in the legislative process. It would represent, in other words, not just a snub to the Church of England but for religion as a whole.
But that's nonsense. In no other democracy would such a confusion of religious leadership and law-making even be imagined. Bishops, and other faith leaders, play a valuable and significant role in society. So do members of both houses of Parliament. But it is in no sense the same job. Taking bishops out of the House of Lords would free them to devote more time to their diocesan responsibilities; to become better bishops. Sometimes the only thing to do with an historical anomaly is to end it.
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They only attend about 5% of the time anyway. Why bother? Is it a status thing? Do they fear being even further marginalized or that this would make it official-that they and their organization aren't important to 90% of the people anymore? Are they that pitiful and insecure?
I agree with Rev. Hancocks. A cadre of theocrats has no place in a modern democratic parliament any more than unelected nobility. And adding yet more religious representatives from other faiths (which ones incidentally?) opens up a Pandora's Box that, frankly, doesn't bear thinking about. And if people think that our Lords Spiritual are better, at
least, than having appointed politicos then they have bought into the cuddly image of well meaning reverends hook, line and sinker. Our gracious and good Bench of Bishops have a sterling track record of voting with their faith at heart, not the public's welfare. They voted against the abolition of slavery, because their bible told them slavery was no bad thing, they voted against womens' suffrage, they voted against early factory reforms that would have improved the lot of Victorian workers, adults and children alike, they have voted against equal rights legislation because of the homophobic and mysogonistic nature of their creed. Stem cell research? Forget it. Want the right to take your own life in a dignified way when illness has reduced its quality to the unbearable? Forget it. Get shot of them once and for all. We get enough religion in politics and public life in so, so many other ways already, given this government's Big Society and support for sectarian schooling?
After cleaning up the system, one could create a club of disused relics of english government. The remembrancer should also become an important member. They should receive the permanent right to speak about their problems, somewhere. What about that corner of Hyde Park?
Nice article. I watched the coverage and it just left me thinking that if the value of the bishops is as high as Rowan Williams believes, then this would surely be seen by whatever appointments committee is in place or by the public if elected (not likely) and an appropriate, perhaps greater, number of bishops would be appointed. Surely the CoE is confident in its own value to the upper house?
Yes. Next question?
The House of Lords. *giggle*
Unelected, unqualified, like many in the HoL, but with the added anachronism of being perpetuators of a medieval belief system. I strongly object to my government being influenced in any way by deluded men who believe (or purport to believe) in an imaginary being. There are no gods or angels, devils or demons, ghosts or ghoulies.
But you'd better not mess with Father Christmas, mind!
The HoL is a historical relic which has no place in a modern democracy. Having said that, if we must have it I think I'd prefer some Bishops over some of the inbred halfwits, peerage purchasing spivs and political appointees who hang out there.
Well said, Nelson - the presence of bishops in the HoL is as anachronistic as the mullahs in Iran having so much political power.
Get bishops out of the House of Lords, and back into "the house of the lord"!
The more I look at our political class - basically a bunch rather poor party PR people with a short time horizon, the more I warm to some form of counterbalance. We need someone to tell us the truth about had bad public finances are and that we can't get out of this hole by bashing the bankers, taxing the rich etc. unless we start with the best paid civil servants, doctors etc and make them fund their own pensions. Ooops sorry that would mean politician reforming their own benefits. At least the clergy have their poverty to recommend them.
Fraser you are completely wrong in stating that the Church of Scotland(to give it it's proper name,don't call it the "Presbyterian church" because there are several presbyterian churches)has official status.It does not.It is completely separate from the state.And rightly so.The Queen is not the supreme governor as she is with the Church of England.She merely attends the Church of Scotland when residing in Scotland and a Lord High Commisioner represents the the Crown at the Churches' General Assembly every year in Edinburgh.Personally I don't think anyone should have the right to sit in the House of Lords.Not just Anglican bishops.
Sorry Nelson for calling you Fraser in the above post.Was confusing your name with Fraser Nelson,that unionist ne'er do well at The Spectator.
'Taking bishops out of the House of Lords would free them to devote more time to their diocesan responsibilities; to become better bishops.'
how do you measure a better bishop? and how much time do you need to be just a regular one?
'Sometimes the only thing to do with an historical anomaly is to end it.'
that might apply to Great Britain.
As an Anglican priest I have to say that I agree with Nelson Jones on this one. There is absolutely no reason why Church of England bishops should sit in the House of Lord's. But then again, I do not believe that anybody should sit in the second legislative chamber of the country without having gone through the process of being elected by the people in the first place. That is the very British anamoly.
Rev G Hancocks
@Banjobee - well said. But with clear and concise logic like that and a documented record of facts, you're already halfway to being labelled a heretic by the theists.
@jamesjones - And I strongly object to my government being influenced in any way by nihilistic fundamentalists who think that anyone who has beliefs which differ from their own are anachronistic impediments to their own megalomanic vision of a better world. But sadly you have a vote.
We don't always get what we want.
We need someone to tell us the truth about had bad public finances are and that we can't get out of this hole by bashing the bankers, taxing the rich etc. unless we start with the best paid civil servants, doctors etc and make them fund their own pensions. http://www.diykitchenremodeling.net/
I thoroughly agree with Rev. Graeme Hancocks (and I'm not one to agree with priests easily...).
Any bishop worth his pointy hat would be out there trying to get the flock back together, rather than being seen to be being lording it over the rest of us, or just plain boring us all stupid...
I'd disagree.
The ABC reperesents an important group of believers.
Its right that the heads of Hindu Sikh Buddhist and Jewish and Muslim Faiths have a seat(although technically they don't actually have a head).
Its unfair that say a Muslim peer ring his religion into politics or a Jewish Peeress.
I do agree that we shouldn't have the whole gang of Bishops there.
Its important that the LC Justice and MR sit in the Lords, but not the whole damn Supreme Court.
And Im really damned annoyed that the Lord Chancellor isn't actually in the Lords, when he should be.
Nonsense! This Country is Church of England and should have an input into our lawing making.
This custom should stay! Not so long ago, the Church was the place where people went for their benefits.
Maybe this policy should return to cut the claimants claims and be a part of the Big society!