The Pastor problem
Rick Perry isn't the first presidential candidate to be embarrassed by a turbulent preacher.
By Nelson Jones Published 13 October 2011 16:19
So it turns out that Rev Robert Jeffress -- supporter and mentor of US presidential candidate Rick Perry -- doesn't just have a problem with Mormons. He's an equal opportunities hater. In a rant about Catholicism on his radio station last September he unleashed the C-word -- clearly a favourite of his -- calling the church to which a quarter of Americans belong "that cult-like pagan religion" and claiming that it derived from ancient Babylonian mysteries rather than "God's Word". "Isn't that the genius of Satan?" he asked. Not just a cult, then. A Satanic cult. And, for good measure, "a fake religion" too.
This revelation has the potential to cause even more trouble for Perry than the Mormonism row that has rumbled on for almost a week. Bill Donohue, who leads the Catholic League, called on Perry to reject Jeffress and his endorsement - something the candidate declined to do when challenged by Mitt Romney during a TV debate on Tuesday. Donohue called Jeffress "a poster boy for hatred, not Christianity".
In the last presidential campaign, Sarah Palin was forced to distance herself from an African pastor who pursued unconventional sideline as a witch-finder, while Barack Obama was put an in embarrassing position when footage emerged of his pastor, Rev Jeremiah Wright, saying "God damn America!" So the Jeffress row isn't unprecedented. Indeed, Donohue himself was involved in a controversy uncannily similar to the Jeffress/Perry imbroglio early in 2008.
It was Donohue's intervention that persuaded John McCain -- then the Republican front-runner -- to reject the endorsement of an Evangelical pastor named John Hagee. Like Jeffress, Hagee ran a Texas megachurch, and his views about Catholicism were just an uncompromisingly Paisleyite. He referred to it as "the great whore" that "drank the blood of the Jewish people". Doubtless there are parts of Texas where that kind of talk still goes down well. Hagee said other embarrassing things too, for example that Hurricane Katrina was divine punishment for "a homosexual parade" that had taken place in New Orleans shortly before.
McCain expressed himself "glad to have his endorsement" even after Hagee's remarks became publicly known. For McCain, who lacked credibility with the religious Right, having a prominent Evangelical fundamentalist in his camp was an important electoral asset, especially when facing a strong challenge from the former Baptist preacher Mick Huckabee. Until suddenly it wasn't.
So far, while distancing himself from the pastor's expressed view of Mormonism, Perry has made it clear that he still "respects" Jeffress and accepts his endorsement. A Perry spokesman went so far as to accuse Romney of "playing a game of deflection" in making anti-Mormon bigotry a campaign issue. Donohue's challenge may prove less easy to bat aside.
If that wasn't bad enough, a pro-secularism group, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, has complained to the IRS about Jeffress' use of his official church website to host videos supporting Perry's candidacy.The group claims that this constitutes an abuse of the church's tax-exempt status.
The "pastor problem" is a peculiar feature of modern US politics. Obama's relationship with Wright was long-standing, but other unhelpful endorsements look to be the result of carelessness on the part of candidates. It should not have been difficult for Perry's advisers to discover the hardline views previously expressed by Robert Jeffress about Mormonism, Catholicism, homosexuality and other sensitive issues, or to foresee that they might pose a problem outside those parts of the Southern States that have never mentally left the 17th century.
Given that a successful presidential campaign now seems to require that the candidate be endorsed by prominent, self-appointed, publicity-seeking Christian ministers (or at the very least, such endorsement is perceived to confer a distinct advantage) one would expect that they would be carefully vetted before being allowed to stand on stage and introduce someone-or-other The Next President Of The United States. But this doesn't seem to happen. Instead, it always comes as a great surprise to the candidate when a clip surfaces on YouTube of the pastor concerned saying something outrageous. Strange.
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16 comments
If you have problems with pastor it is important to realise that it needs plenty of water and at least 12 minutes in boiling water.
All religions are ready to self explode. The cooking pot of words will see pastas around the world writing their words on the net for all of us to examine carefully and take the piss. Bring all these pastors to the boil and hear they say what they think my words are.
My words are my words. I don't need anyone else to say what my words are.
Happy is the man that eats pastors.
Not only am I a member Vicki I'm one of the pastors. Do you fancy coming round to my place for a bit of spag bol?
... and go easy on the fries.
@Mr Divine - do I take you are a pastafarian? - a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
swatantra: you're very welcome to join our congregation. In our first gathering you will hear a selection of our pastors talking about their conversion to eating other pastas that the other pastors have cooked. You too will be able to sample the pastors that the other pastas have cooked. How does that sound?
The Book of Pastor Eating will be presented free in return for a small donation.
Happy is the man who does not take reward against the innocent.
Huge difference between a candidate receiving an unrequested pastorial endorsement and a person sitting in a church pew for 20 years attending a racist & hateful church- and then saying you just did not hear any of that message. People know the difference...
Social commentator and former alter-boy George Carlin sums it up, “Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bull*** story. Holy S***!”
Please know Bill Donohue does not speak for the catholic Church.... The Catholic League is an organization that has no actual ties to the Catholic Church. Vocal Politically connected Catholics Belong,,,,but it does not speak for the Church.
As a Catholic, more troubling to me is the fact that a President FOR OVER A DECADE of the Cathoic League contiually uses my faith for his political gain. Read his latest statement "Perry called Deal Hudson" and it's all OK now,,,who is Deal Hudson,,, a politically motivated Evangelical that converted to Catholicism,,,, He is a well paid shill for the Republican Party to unite the Evangelican and Catholic Vote to Republican, and has hi-jacked our church for political purposes.
For Donohue, who knows every anti-catholic (some in his mind only) statement a Democratic Leaning Person makes,,,, and stalks Catholic Democrat's Communion habits, to not know about Jefress, Hagee(who he likes now), Moehler' et al's statements is simply false.
This is Donohue's way of ensuring himself a seat on Evangelical Political Stage this election cycle,,, He has been carrying their water for years,,,, much to the disappointment of a Catholic Church that has been damaged over and over again by his politically motivated Actions.
Not to worry,,, the Merry Christmas wars will soon be starting.
Its about time that ABC Williams went across there, knocked a few heads together and sorted the plethora of different sects cults and strands of the Faith out. Christ, I've never known such disunity. Do they agree on anything?
Well
Just like catholics can feel free to call me "disordered" and one of the most dangerous threats to civilized society others can do the same.
Nothin' new--just like Donohue blaming his church's decades or more tradition of raping children on gays with no logical or scientific reason.
It all goes both ways. I grew up being likened to a deranged whack job now the church that imposed this on me can experience it.
Following his endorsement of McCain, John Hagee came under attack for a wide range of bigoted statements, yes.
But John McCain did not reject pastor John Hagee's endorsement per the advice of Bill Donohue--who, as Sarah Posner details, at Religion Dispatches, actually helped defuse (for McCain) initial controversy over Hagee's virulently anti-Catholic statements.
What happened was that, in late May, 2008, I posted a short video clip from a 2005 Hagee sermon I had found (originally I dated it 'late 1990s' but later discovered I was in error), which featured Hagee stating, "Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter."
The Huffington Post picked up my video, then Keith Olbermann's Countdown picked it up--and within 48 hours McCain had rejected Hagee's endorsement (and vice versa).
John McCain was quite emphatic, in his statements to media, that his rejection of Hagee's endorsement was in response to Hagee's "God sent Hitler" claim.
A number of mainstream TV and print news outlets (including the NYT) credited, variously, either me or my website (talk2action.org), or both, for initially publicizing the Hagee sermon material that played the decisive role.
Those are the facts. - Bruce Wilson
On "pastor Muthee", you write, "Sarah Palin was forced to distance herself from an African pastor who pursued unconventional sideline as a witch-finder"
I'm not aware that Palin was ever subject to anything more than passing scrutiny (mockery, actually) concerning her association with Muthee, who in an October 16, 2005 church ceremony (shown in a video that surfaced September 2008) could be seen blessing Palin against "every spirit of witchcraft."
As it happened, there was an entire movement behind Muthee.
As confirmed in an interview with Terry Gross aired October 3, 2011 on National Public Radio's "Fresh Air" show, C. Peter Wagner acknowledged that Muthee was a colleague of Wagner's, in his NAR movement.
Peter Wagner has played a crucial role in both naming, but also helping to organize, the globally influential movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation, whose apostles played an overwhelming role at US presidential candidate Rick Perry's "The Response" prayer event, August 6th, 2011, that served as the de-facto launch for Perry's presidential bid in the 2012 election.
Wagner, and other top leaders in his NAR movement, describe, in their books, the need for believers to burn objects associated with a wide range of religious traditions including Catholicism, Mormonism, Islam, Buddhism, Baha'i, and other global faiths.
Peter Wagner has played a crucial role in both naming, but also helping to organize, the globally influential movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation, whose apostles played an overwhelming role at US presidential candidate Rick Perry's "The Response" prayer event, August 6th, 2011, that served as the de-facto launch for Perry's presidential bid in the 2012 election. http://www.diykitchenremodeling.net/