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Iran Watch, part 6.
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Is that what Israel is, a place for Jews to practice their religion freely, is that what the the Atheist Zionists hand in mind.
If israel was to be the safehaven for Jews than it obviously has failed.
Jews are clearly much safer in New York, London and most part of the world, than Israel.
They are least safest in Israel.
So really one of the major planks of the Zionist myth is a total failure.
The argument that Israel is a response to Jewish victim-hood doest work.
The fact of the matter is, Jews will never be safer in Israel than other parts of the world because Palestinians and all the neighbouring countries are not safe from Israels warmongering.
I cant think of any other country that's had so many wars with its neighbours.
you'll of course say Israel is defending itself because you've imbibed the victim hood mentality.
My previous point about Israel as a Jewish state and Muslim states still stands.
you cannot deny that Israel is the goal of supposedly persecuted muslim extremists, who want to create a Muslim state where any Muslim is an automatic citizen.
Thier goal is to be like Israel and history tells us this cannot happen without extreme violence. without disrupting the total flow of history through sheer force.
Middle East studies in the News
Tarek Versus Tariq [on Tariq Ramadan]
by Valentina Colombo
Winds of Change.NET
November 23, 2008
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"I am fully ready to have a public debate with Tariq Ramadan to make it patently clear that the man does not know 1% of what a world-class scholar must know." The challenge comes from an another Tarek, the Egyptian intellectual Tarek Heggy. When you tell Heggy about the expansion of Islamic extremism in Europe, but most of all when you pronounce Ramadan's name he flies into a rage. He wonders why Europe keeps on listening to people like him and why many European intellectuals and politicians consider him the best Islamic intellectual. This is the reason why I asked Heggy to comment some quotes from Ramadan's speeches, books and videos. Here you find the result that should teach us something very important: we cannot trust Tariq while we should trust Tarek!
Tariq Ramadan: "For years I have heard people saying: "Be careful with Tariq Ramadan because he has one message in French; and a different one for when he speaks Arabic in the suburbs." Go and try to speak Arabic in the suburbs of France and you won't have an audience because they don't know Arabic".
Tarek Heggy: Like a number of Muslim Brothers, Mr. Ramadan has two messages : one for the non-Arabic speaking audience (such as his views about the physical punishments) and different messages in Arabic. The difference between the spirit of these messages is enormous ... one would realize the dangers of this phenomenon only if equipped with good command of Arabic and good knowledge of Sharia. The only way to reveal this "academic lie" is by directing certain question to Mr. Ramadan and his peers such as : a) what do think of the Khilafah system? b) how you describe the so-called martyrs-operations? c) is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia a model that you approve? d) can we establish in the 21st century an international law and a legal system based on Shari'a ? e) what do think of the status of women in the Islamic jurisprudence and in the Muslim societies ? f) what would be the status of non-Muslims in an Islamic state ? g) can a non-Muslim be the head of the state in Egypt - where your parents came from ? h) what is your overall judgement on the western-Civilization and its value system ? .... I personally would love to have a public debate with Mr. Ramadan to enable the civilized societies people to see what is under the external coats of this gentleman and his peers and to show them how incomplete (and deformed) his/their intellectual formations are.
T.R. To Ernesto Ferrero, director of Turin Book Fair, in 2008 with Israel guest of honor: "This is where we deeply disagree: to choose the State of Israel while you know what was, and still is, happening in the occupied territories - and just after the international community, almost unanimously, condemned the Gaza's blockage - is neither wise nor fair towards the Palestinian and their dignity. I am sorry to repeat, you took a wrong and an unwise decision.[...] A call for a boycott was launched before I was asked about it and I simply decided to support this call not to attend. It seemed to me it was a question of conscience and dignity.
T.H. Mr. Ramadan, what is the relationship between all what you have said about the sufferings of the Palestinian people and a book-fair in Italy ? and apart from this book-fair boycott (BTW, did the Arab boycott ever yielded any significant fruits ?!) ... what are your views concerning the Israeli/Arab conflict : do you favor the route of Anwar al-Sadat, i.e. a political settlement to the conflict via civilized negotiations and therefore you accept that as the Palestinians have the right to have their own state, Israel has an equal right to exist ? .. or you favor "The Military solution" that Hamas and Hezbollah advocate ?... and what is your description to the suicide attacks committed by Palestinians against Israeli civilians?
T.R. "Muhammad married a Jewish woman and he even protected Jewish tribes".
T.H. This is partially correct. The Prophet took a Jewish lady who was, by our modern terminology, a Pow as a wife. Though I read all the main Sira books, I have not come across the so called "protection rendered to some Jewish tribes" - we shall be grateful to Mr. Ramadan if he could guide us (!!) to the sources that he depended on, in due course.
T.R. "Today Europe is Dar al-shahada"
T.H. Saying that Europe today is dar al-shahada" confirms that the fellow (Ramadan) has a sick-nostalgia. This passion to use medieval terminology and concept is (in my views) a strong and patent sign of illusive mind, a mind that imagines that a certain era or period of history was a paradise : its heroes, language and concepts were "Angelic", and therefore aim at replicating. The term dar al-shahada represents this sick relationship with the past (or with a specific epoch): a sentiment that has now scientific bases whatsoever. More dangerously, it motivates young and semi-educated people who were raised in total isolation from the contemporary age to endeavor to replicate what cannot be (by any means) replicated. The term (also) could mean much detrimental meaning, as it could (linguistically) mean "The place for martyrdom" !!! Which would be (if so meant) quite dangerous.
T.R. To criticize the religion and Muslims is not Islamophobia; a critical attitude towards religion must be accepted. But to criticize someone or discriminate against them only because they are Muslim-this is what we can call Islamophobia, this is a kind of racism.
T.H. This is great Mr. Ramadan! But while we are aware of thousands of books that were written by Jewish scholars criticizing many Judaism related subjects and thousands of books that were written by Christian scholars criticizing many Christianity related subjects - please give me only ten titles of books written by Muslim scholars in which they criticized any Islam related subjects without being considered by most of the Muslim clergy as INFIDELS and asked for them to get killed if not by their governments, so be it by volunteers !!!!!!!!!!
T.R. "The worst that can happen to a democratic society is to see its citizens being transformed to passive victims paralyzed by fear. The proponents of the global clash of civilizations theory shall win if we accept to be individually colonized by emotional caricatures and suspicion towards people of other faiths and cultures".
T.H. This is absolutely correct, but I guess that he will never dare to declare that the a major Arab/Islamic country that invested billion of dollars on spreading its own interpretation of Islam is the number one society that MUST be described by Ramadan's words (a society that its citizens are being for more than 80 years transformed systematically to passive victims paralyzed by fear) ... a society that established a peerless case of duality in all values and behaviors. A society that send its children each Friday to watch the authority representatives while whipping people, or cutting their hands and legs and/or stoning men or women to death !! Mr. Ramadan is requested to give us some examples of these societies that transform its citizens to passive victims paralyzed by fear!!!
T.R. "If a law already exists, why a new law in 2004? This is because crucifixes were accepted under the old law. The new law was passed because of France's Muslim presence. The reality is that France's secular tradition is being adapted to target a specific group. French society is going through something of an identity crisis. I have told all French girls that, if they have to make a choice between going to school and wearing the headscarf, they must choose school. Just go. This is the law. But at the same time, being a democrat means that you continue to discuss the merits of the law and call for change".
T.H. Mr. Ramadan asks "why a new law in 2004 ?" ... the answer is patently clear : " because of the rapidly growing danger that nobody could neglect or ignore".
T.R. About Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab: "We cannot deny that his intervention in Arabia was often a kind of a war, but at the same time the reason of his enterprise were filled with a will of renewal"
T.H. I read everything Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab wrote (13 booklets) and read also all what has been written on this ruthless man and found him nothing but a very shallow man and simply and clearly a blood, destruction and killing advocate. Every expert in Islamic jurisprudence knows that while Ibn Hanbal represents the most conservative figure among the Sunni Jurisprudents, Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn al-Qayyim represent the extreme wing among the Hanbali sect followers and the ones who gave "the text" the largest role and minimized the role of the human mind. As a semi-educated and intellectually thin followers of this line Ibn Abd al-Wahhab reached an unprecedented level of conservatism, narrow-mindedness, hatred to all forms of OTHERS and rejection to modernity. Having read a great deal of what Ramadan has written, I have no doubt that he neither read (in full) Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn al-Qayyim nor the 13 extremely shallow booklets of Ibn Abd al-Wahhab. Ramadan repeats (with a very little thinking) the Wahhabi claim that Abd al-Wahhab was calling for "Renewal". Abd al-Wahhab was calling for a litteral return to the year 632 AD (in all forms and respects). about the man that I consider to be the most brutal and ruthless blood, destruction, hatred, violence and killing advocate throughout the past 300 years.
T.R. "I have said that I am against the implementation of stoning, death penalties and corporal punishments. In Islamic-majority countries, this is a minority position. What we cannot deny is that these punishments are in the texts. What I am saying to Muslim scholars is that today's conditions are different, so in this context you cannot implement these punishments. So we have to stop. This is the moratorium".
T.H. The question Mr. Ramadan is not the implementation of the physical criminal/penal punishments. The question is simply as follows : if you do reject the Islamic criminal punishment - does this take you to the rest of the Sharia and therefore say the same i.e. as the physical punishment are not anymore suitable to what humanity has reached in the areas of modernity and sophistication, would it be acceptable to Mr. Ramadan to say the same about the other domains of the Sharia i.e. the civil law, marriage, commercial and international relations spheres which will automatically imply that the sharia in its entity has become not suitable to be applied (similar to its Jewish equivalent)?
T.R. About Hasan al-Banna, his grand-father and founder of the Muslim Brotherhood: "He is very badly known to the West since he is known only from the words of British colonizers and Zionists."
T.H. Mr. Ramadan should pray day and night that the British do not release all of their documents that are relevant to Hassan al-Banna !! If they do, the world would realize why the Muslim Brothers society was formed in the Egyptian city of Ismailia in 1928. I know from reliable document that the idea was mainly a British idea (that was fully supported by King Fouad I of Egypt) who both came to the conclusion that after all minority parties failed to eliminate the overwhelming majority of the Wafd party that was leading the national movement in Egypt since 1919 anti the British occupation and the unlimited authority of the King - that only the use of Islam will work. This was the beginning of a march of mistakes in each of which a party throughout that the religious card will help against a third-party ! (the biggest replication of this danger theory took place when the American joined hands with the Saudis in the late 1970's and throughout the 1980's in creating the phenomenon of the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan !! which was the beginning of the march of terror that lead to 9/11 catastrophe in NY. In all cases, nobody expects Mr. Ramadan to give an objective judgement about the father of his own mother !!
T.R. "I don't work for the British or any other government. I am open to any kind of dialogue as long as the rules are clear: free to speak out, free to criticize, free to resist and free to support when it is right. Muslims should stop thinking that to talk is to compromise, but the black and white approach is often the reality of Muslims today".
T.H. That is great MR. Ramadan - let us have a public debate anywhere in Europe or in the USA. I did my own survey to your writings and speeches and came to a patently clear conclusion that your main qualification is that you are the grandson of Hassan al-Banna the founder (with the British Embassy in Egypt in 1928) of the MB's organization and that your knowledge base is a bit thin and distorted.
T.R. "As to Hizb ut-Tahrir, I disagree with them but I think that as long as they are not speaking illegally, they must be free to speak and the society and Muslims should be free to respond. Hizb ut-Tahrir is not calling Muslims to kill or to act illegally, so it must be heard and challenged. To ban is the wrong way".
T.H. You are most mistaken Mr. Ramadan. It is time for Europe to get up and protect democracy from all those who are trying to utilize "the tools of democracy" to establish a system that is by all civilized definitions is MOST ANTI-DEMOCRACY. The basic beliefs of Hizbu al-Tahrir are entirely anti-modernity, anti-democracy and anti-west. The freedom to the enemies of freedom MUST come to an end. Why Hizbu al Tahrir does not move from Europe to the Saudi capital?
T.R. "Firstly, we have to be accountable when attending international interfaith meetings. If we engage in dialogue only at conferences, then we are not living up to our spiritual commitment. We must be committed to go back to our communities and share what we have learned and put our words into actions".
T.H. The basic requirements of a scientific and objective dialogue among the followers of the three monotheistic religions are not (yet) mature at the side of the Muslim intellectual. They still lack the minimum respect to OTHERS and to their freedom to be different. Just look at the speeches of all the Saudis who participated in the recent conference in Spain that was held on a call from the Saudi Monarch.
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Most Americans would support a stike against Iran if there is evidence of their building nuclear weapons
It s a fact that those on the left possess far greater intelligence than those on the right.
Mariella, your an Idiot like Jackass.
I was merely pointing out that you cannot draw an analogy between Muslims and Jews, since Jews have a unique history of persecution. It is true that Israel is not a safe place to be. However, it is not the fault of Zionism or of Israel, but of Muslim extremists and the failure of the world at large to protect Israel. If people in a house are not safe b ecause they are attacked by robbers and the police do not to protect them, this is hardly the fault of the inhabitants.
JJ Moral outrage masking as concern is not a pretty sight. Take a look in the mirror my friend because you are no different to the bovverboys at work here. It seems you capacity for hypocrisy knows no bounds. WHat do you mean by Jewish monikers.
Mariella your deranged, you can Insult me all you, its the way you tried to bring Alexander down by quoting me. Jackass and Sir Michael have said all kind of terrible stuff at me, water of a ducks back, say what you want, you just dont understand what people are saying, that's your problem.
Israel is a vibrant democracy that is why it needs to crush any opposition with full miltary force, even if it means disproportionate force. Jealousy is what drives a lot of anti Israel sentiment. If only the Palestinians would move to Jordan, then there would be no need for Israeli human rights groups to exist. Israel haters are jealous of our democracy. It is those ghastly Iranians who need a reality check, they could laern a lot from Israel. Israel is a shining light a beacon for human freedom. Lon live the people of Israel. If only all the world would convert, we would be better off.
Any scholarly evidence in favor of this proposition, yesboy?
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I ain't no white trash piece of shit. I'm better than you all! I can out-learn you. I can out-read you. I can out-think you. And I can out-philosophize you. And I'm gonna outlast you. You think a couple whacks to my guts is gonna get me down? It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than that, Muslim, to prove you're better than me!
ISLAMIC WINTER - Look at what is happening to Egypt, ITS FUCKED! THE SAME WILL HAPPEN TO GAZA...ITS FUCKED TOO, ISLAM HAS FUCKED IT.
"Egypt: MP proposes Sharia punishments: crucifixion and amputation
From the beginning of the "Arab Spring," I said here and elsewhere that it was not a democracy movement, as the Western press was claiming, but an Islamic supremacist pro-Sharia takeover that would result in the creation of Islamic states that would be far more hostile to the U.S. and Israel than the Arab nationalist regimes they were supplanting. This assessment was greeted with the usual scorn: the Islamic supremacist media machine charged "Islamophobia," on Fox Juan Williams said I was "fearmongering," and the usual suspects made the usual ad hominem attacks. Yet everything that has happened since then has shown that I was right all along.
But Islamic supremacists and their allies and useful idiots in the mainstream media continue to peddle their soothing lies. The Islamic supremacist and adolescent mudslinger Reza Aslan was at West Virginia University last night speaking about the developments in the Middle East, and heaping more steaming piles of what he calls analysis on the hapless marks in his audience. "Believe it or not," Aslan said, and anyone with eyes in his head will opt for "not," "the greatest single aspiration in the region at this moment is to achieve democracy." Slyly implying that those who have cast doubts on this alleged wonderful flowering of democracy are motivated by racism, he continued: "It does not matter where you pray or what skin color you were born with; democracy is a fundamental right of life." He also, according to the report on his talk in the campus paper, "aimed to debunk that the Arab Spring is an Islamic takeover. This myth is simply an American paradox due to the primary belief that we live in a secular country that easily separates church and state, he said." Ah yes, of course. "There is not much difference between us and them," Aslan said. "These groups now have the opportunity to come out of the mosque and to market ideas and see how they can come to life in reality."
Yes, "there is not much difference between us and them." After all, we all want to cover women in burqas and enslave them to their husbands, brutalize and terrorize non-Muslims, murder apostates from Islam, and extinguish the freedom of speech, don't we? And apparently one way these Egyptian parliamentarians hope to "come to life in reality" is by crucifying people and amputating their limbs. Yet as always, it doesn't matter how outstandingly wrong and deceptive politically correct spokesmen are. It doesn't matter that none of their predictions ever come true, or that everything they said was nothing to be concerned about turns out to be a matter of major concern. There is never any accountability for them at all -- that a clown like Reza Aslan gets invited to speak at any university at all, while those who are consistently correct are demonized and marginalized, is a measure of how debased and politicized American academia and the public square in general have become." Robert Spencer
SO let me get this straight, the Jews have a unique history of persecution. Because of this unique history of persecution, that gives the Jewish community the right to invade another people's land and dispossess some 850.00 Palestinians.
"40 reasons why Tariq Ramadan is a reactionary bigot"
I agree JJ. So much hypocrisy when it comes to SYria. WHy does not Israel go in there to finish off that scummmy Assad. I heard one Syrian asking for help from Israel on CNN. Seriously JJ Israel should finish the job. That way any chance that the Syrians think they will get back the Golan Heights can kiss my axxxe.
Mariella, you can keep distorting things, but this will not help you. Please indicate where I said that I want Iran to be destroyed. What I said was that the Iranian government is a menace to the world, including its own citizens, both Muslims and others, and that this has to be considered by the relevant decision makers. I will be happy to see Iranians, whom, I will repeat for those unwilling to hear, to be free in their own country, liberated from the tyrants and dictators ruling it currently. As for who made threats, the fact remains that Iran was the only country in this conflict that made a threat to obliterate another country in a pre-emptive nuclear strike
Zionist monologue: The world has failed to protect the Jewish community and so the Palestnians must pay the price for this neglect.
@ Alexander, I am listening and reading what you have said, excellent.
Unfortunately Mariella has totally ruined any kind of reasonable debate. She has done this by cutting pasting reams of articles which means she dodges the difficult questions cos she cant answer them, what a loser. Then the poignant and really interesting posts get lost in her sea of hate and its like her/his mission to just bamboozle everyone and bore them with countless articles that are unrelated, she is ruined for everyone.
When I debated with Jackass and Sir Michael etc there was aleast a chain of discussion, she has turned this into a chain of meaningless bullshit where she has to have the last word, over to you Mariella.
we can contest whose persecuting who all day long.
I'm merely pointing out the folly of the Zionist project by making this parallel.
In its sentiment and idelogical goals its exactly as i've described. Ofcourse the size and complexity will be very different because we are talking about a faith that has 1.6 billion followers and not a cult that has hijakked the faith of 12 million followers.
In its goal its exactly as i've said.
Now imagine 5 decades into the future, 60 million Muslims feel persecuted and as a result they move to Spain, expelling the indegenous spanish people on the basis that there was once a Muslim state in southern spain.
imagine the collosal human suffering that would cause.
this is Zionism in a smaller scale.
he difference you identify isnt apples and oranges, its merely a small orange and a large orange.
Iran's new subversive and expansionist behavior http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/world/middleeast/aiding-yemen-rebels-i...
@Julia, as is normal for you, your usual bag of tricks (copying and pasting a number of right wing news articles on the feed) is empty and you've reverted to trying to act like a child. Unfortunately you aren't the smartest person in the room, only in a primary school classroom would you ever have that luxury. The insults will probably start soon enough as acting like a child wears thin.
There you go again peddling myths. Several accurate translations have been provided of what Ahmadinajd said on this blog. And yet you, who does not even speak Farsi, can claim to be an expert in the language.
From where I am standing it is Israel that is making all the threats which is why we are having this debate.
Let us not forget too that it was Israel who provided Iran under the Shah with nuclear training programmes, and was pushing Iran to develop nuclear warheads.
Alex, go and check the record you lazy git.
Julia, I feel really sorry for you, you worked in israel, and your views changed according to you in 2002, you should revisit the history before this period, you were probably blissfully unaware of the inequalities in Israeli society until this pivotal moment in your life. What I meant by tel aviv being beautiful was the nature of the city, vibrant and multicultural, not aesthetically, well it depends which part you stayed in of course. Calling people names like fuckwit etc, only shows us your frustration at not being able to articulate yourself properly due to the obvious conflicts in your thinking. That's why I feel sorry for you. I hope you find some peace in your heart and stop your own hate against Muslims and Arabs, it's eating you up inside my dear.
Thank you, Julia, I really appreciate this. Mariella, you showed your inability to read once again. I did not say, in this particular post, that the world has failed to protect the Jewish community, although it is true in its own right. What I said was that the world has failed to protect Israel, including protection from Palestinian terrorists. And, yes, Palestinians have to pay the price for their failure to contain terrorists in their midst.
You behave like a prize prxxk JJ. You don't speak for me and you don't speak for all Jews. Most importantly you are giving Israel a bad name.
Too many right wing thickos posting on this thread. Get them off.
60 million European Muslims i meant
Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself. Go forth and multiply. Deo Dede Dante!!!
DIVIDED LOYALTIES OF AMERICAN JEWRY
An interesting take on how Jews discredit other Jews for not supporing Israel.Israel Firster’ debate is an American argument, not a Jewish argument
Once Lee Smith joined the Hitler orgy over the Israel Firster debate naturally it occurred to me, with gentiles joining, the conversation was wiiiiide open. (Unless you're Israeli, they've been ordered to " stay out of it" by gatekeeper Eli Lake) Everyone in the know knows this is an American conversation now, thank heavens!
Freddie deBoer, has a must read blogpost 'because policing the discourse is punk rock'. He weighs in on the the Firster crowd and he's scalding hot. Listen to him chew out Jeffrey Goldberg psychoanalyzing Glen Greenwald:
Once he knows a writer is Jewish, he feels that he has total authority to discuss that writer's character, beliefs, and psychology. That this is the elementary logic of bigotry-- the notion that one can know all of this intimate knowledge about someone thanks to his or her ethnic character-- seems not to bother Goldberg in the least. Perhaps I'll publish a piece psychoanalyzing Goldberg, each observation derived solely from his status as a Jew, and see how long I remain in polite society.
Freddie say Ackerman is a man obsessed and his "social positioning overwhelms his moral and philosophical understanding". There's so much more where that came from.
All of this happens for a purpose: to make it clear to anyone who might have a moral conviction about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians scared to talk about it. I know many people who have political stances on everything, and voice them without regard or fear, on questions of race, abortion, poverty, Afghanistan, gay rights, health care.... But about Israel, they won't speak. It has simply been drummed into their heads, by people like Spencer Ackerman, that this is no-go territory for them. They are mostly gentiles, as I am, and they know that speaking on this issue could easily result in accusations of anti-Semitism. So they shut up. And here comes Spencer Ackerman, and his red-baiting essay, and the predictable Hitler graphic. And so the task of pressuring "a recalcitrant Israel to come to its senses, especially about the insanity of attacking Iran" just becomes harder.
Julia Harris being reasonable. I alughed till my sides ached. I advise the NS readers to look at her previous postings where she has used the most vile, cheap language.
What did Gilat Shalit father's say:
The father of an Israeli soldier held in captivity for more than five years by Hamas has said he would kidnap Israeli soldiers if he were a Palestinian.
Noam Shalit, who announced earlier this year that he would be standing for the opposition Labour party in the next Israeli elections, has provoked outrage among the Israeli right with the comments. His son, Gilad, was released in a prisoner swap in October 2011.
Shalit added that the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers by Hamas militants was comparable to the techniques used by Israeli paramilitary fighters the Haganah against the British, arguing "we also kidnapped British soldiers when we were fighting for our freedom".
Yet another way to resolve the Iran nuclear weapons issue:
"the prophet was having sex with a little girl. Allah didn't find pedophilia the least bit troubling."
just copying the Christian God though? Mary was only a child when God raped her. people in glass houses Joker...
Great argument, yesboy! YOu are to be congratulated on your debating skills.
So there you have it: Julia and ALexander speaking from the same hymn book. Now there's a revelation!!!
Rendell (of MSNBC and Friends of IDF) is under investigation for ties to Iranian terror group.
Mike Isikoff has broken an important story on the Treasury Department investigating several former gov't officials for lobbying on behalf of an Iranian group classified by the State Department as terrorist. The story involves hundreds of thousands of speaking fees paid to the former officials' speaking bureaus, money that apparently came from the People's Mujahedin of Iran, the MEK.
SO Julia thinks that she is cleverer and smarter than anyone else posting on this website. I do not believe i am alone in thinking that she comes across to me as very primitive, narrow minded and has an agenda which is best left in the Dark Ages. Julia, there is nothing clever or original in what you say or do. I do not even take the trouble to read your postings because I know in advance what you are going to say ( i only read the title and author). Time and time again you rely on rhetoric and tired old cheap proppganda tricks, which nobody believes in. I suspect that the views you progagate are typical of the average Israeli. If that is the case, is it any wonder that Palestinians cannot make peace with Israel. The playground military bully just as it is crushing one alleged enemy is quick to invent another. Enter Iran.
Thought I would share this with you. Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch. Most of the funding for his group comes from AIPAC. This is what JWatch says about SPencer:
ROBERT SPENCER is the director of Jihad Watch, a program of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, and the author of ten books, including two New York Times bestsellers, The Truth About Muhammad and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) (both Regnery). His latest book is Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry Into Islam's Obscure Origins (ISI), coming in April 2012. Spencer has led seminars on Islam and jihad for the United States Central Command, United States Army Command and General Staff College, the U.S. Army's Asymmetric Warfare Group, the FBI, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and the U.S. intelligence community.
You will note that he wrote a book, called Did Mohammad exist? If there was ever a title to inflame Muslim sensititities, that would be it.
I REST MY CASE!!!!
See:www.democracynow.org. seymour_hersh_propaganda_used. The US Britain and Canada are planning to announce a coordinated set of sanctions against Iran’s oil and petrochemical industry today, longtime investigative journalist Seymour Hersh questions the growing consensus on Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program. International pressure has been mounting on Iran since the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency revealed in a report the "possible military dimensions" to Iran’s nuclear activities, citing "credible" evidence that "indicates that Iran has carried out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device." In his latest article for The New Yorker blog, titled "Iran and the IAEA," Hersh argues the recent report is a "political document," not a scientific study. "They [JSOC] found nothing. Nothing. No evidence of any weaponization," Hersh says. "In other words, no evidence of a facility to build the bomb. They have facilities to enrich, but not separate facilities to build the bomb. This is simply a fact.
Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are two separate issues. Don’t mix them.
Why do you singe out Israel above Palestine or Lebanon from world protection.
The fact is the Palestinians and other neighbouring countries have not been given protection from Israel's belligerence.
Again you seem to be totally unaware of the geopolitical situation.
Israel will never not face existial threat, AIPAC, USA and western guilt over the holocaust will make sure of that.
Israel has the arsenal of the most powerful nations if need to on its side.
what does Iran have?
If i were Iran i would be terribly afraid of the arc of hatred that is rising against it in the West.
you seem to consistenly make an argument from the point of might is right.
Iran gives the top award to the book on how to eliminate Israel from the planet.
The fact that Muslims cannot criticize or test there own faith and beliefs without going crazy and killing people in a mad religious rage speaks volumes.
Freddie, there is no need for the world to convert, but they can learn a lot from the Israeli experience and successes. Israeli opposition is hardly crushed, especially since it is free to publish its dissenting opinions. If people's rights are infringed they can go to court where they can get an impartial review, which can hardly be said about Israel's neighbors.
Unspeakable crimes of the Iranian regime against its own citizens
Iran secretly buries mutilated bodies of five executed political prisoners in desertThis report has come to us from Iran. Some of it has been omitted to keep the identity of the sender secret.
This report was received at 4 am on Monday March 21.
Five people were hanged on charges of espionage for Israel and acting against national security. Two of these people had cards with old pictures from the 80’s. They were a husband and wife. The woman did not have a left ear as if it was completely cut off in the past. Their tongues were also cut off halfway in a way that they were unable to speak. A woman and two other men were also executed but did not have pictures on their cards. Their bodies were full of wounds and bruises. They (security forces) had brought their dossiers with them and buried these five people in the desert region in the Qom road. According to the contents of their case and the sentence referred to the Sentence Implementation Unit from the 28th branch of the Revolutionary Court in Tehran their names were as follows:
Hojat Nahavandi, son of Mohammad, about 38 years old
Zahra Ismaili, daughter of Janali, about 30 years old
Adiva Mirza Soleiman, Jewish, daughter of Yaqub, according to the card she was 55 years old
Varia Ahmadi, son of Iraj, about 25 years old
Varouzhan Petrosian, (Christian) son of Rubic, according to the card, he was 60 years old. (Pars Daily News – Mar. 31, 2011)
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Posted by: bahareiran | April 1, 2011 Political prisoner Zahra Jabbari in coma, facing death due to lack of medical careNCRI, 27 March – Ms. Zahra Jabari, 39, is a political prisoner held in Tehran’s notorious Evin Prison. Suffering from acute heart disease, she went into a coma on Monday, March 21st, 2011 since the clerical regime’s prison officials refrained to provide her medical care. She is on the verge of death after a long delay before finally being transferred to a hospital that is under the Iranian regime’s control.
Mother of a four year old child, she was arrested on 17 September 2009 and placed under the most severe pressures and tortures for the sole reason of her sister and two brothers living in Camp Ashraf in northern Iraq.
In her sham court trial, Zahra Jabbari protested against these brutal acts of torture including her toe nail being extracted. This brave act of hers more than ever raised the anger of the prison officials. Jabbari is suffering from acute heart disease and Rheumatism, and the torturers have refused to provide any kind of medical care in an attempt to force her to succumb. Therefore, her physical conditions are deteriorating day by day and she has lost her ability to walk months ago.
Meanwhile, the physical condition of political prisoner Mohsen Dokmechi, 50, who is suffering from pancreatic cancer, is critically dire. Despite enduring severe pain and the emphasis of the physicians for his need of chemotherapy and special medical supervision, he is facing death in Ward 4 of Karaj’s Gohardasht Prison. He was previously imprisoned during the 1980s, and is a prominent merchant in Tehran. In August 2009, he was detained for the charge of aiding unattended families of political prisoners and for the presence of his daughter in Ashraf, and was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment and exile.
The Iranian Resistance calls on all international human rights organizations, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and other relevant UN organs and physicians’ unions to condemn the anti-human regime for its atrocious crimes, and urges the UN Secretary General to assign a delegation to investigate on prisons in Iran and the conditions of political prisoners, especially ill prisoners, and adopt an urgent action for their release.
Posted in Arrest, Torture, Ashraf, Health, Women
Posted by: bahareiran | April 1, 2011 Exiled Iranian politician Rajavi: “I am the voice of those persecuted and executed”German weekly FOCUS Online – March 26, 2011
In an interview with FOCUS Online, Maryam Rajavi, an exiled Iranian politician, urged the West to adopt a stronger stance in support of the uprisings in the Arab countries. She also called on Germany to impose a trade embargo on Tehran.
FOCUS Online: Madame Rajavi, what do you make of the intervention by the Americans, the British and the French in support of the rebels in Libya?
Maryam Rajavi: I welcome it even though it was delayed. Military action is absolutely necessary in order to help the opposition against a despot who oppresses his people.
FOCUS Online: How do you see Germany’s decision to abstain from the vote in the UN Security Council?
Rajavi: It was disappointing for me. The Germans know how important such support would be for the people. I have a critical view of the fact that Germany has not played a more active role and has not adopted a clearer stance. This reluctance damages the international unity against the regime of Muammar Gaddafi. The West should lend stronger support for the uprisings in Arab countries and also for the growing opposition in Iran.
FOCUS Online: Is a war against the Libyan dictator with American and European involvement justified? Could it not trigger anti-Western sentiment in the Middle East?
Rajavi: The intervention is backed by a UN mandate. The continuation of the policy of appeasement towards dictators only serves to delay the establishment of freely elected governments. By taking this fearful attitude especially towards Iran, the West only facilitates the strengthening of Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism. Under the pretext of promoting stability in the region, there has been a silence for too long in relation to these kinds of governments. Look at Tunisia, where no one talked against President Ben Ali for 30 years, simply because he limited Islamists there. That was a wrong approach, especially since the greatest source for the expansion of fundamentalism is in Tehran.
FOCUS Online: Why did the West adopt such a contradictory position?
Rajavi: On the one hand, economic interests are a priority for the West. Iran is indeed an important trading partner. And worse, I see a lack of knowledge about the religious dictatorship ruling Iran. This regime cannot embrace reforms from within, which is something that the West should grasp. The West has always had a vain hope for reforms, first with Rafsanjani, and then with Khatami. This is while the situation for the people there continues to deteriorate.
FOCUS Online: Do you support sanctions and boycotts as a way of supporting the Iranian opposition?
Rajavi: The West should stop buying oil from Iran. Moreover, comprehensive sanctions on various products would also be desirable. Currently, German trade with Iran includes over 3,000 types of products. It has sold Iran about four billion euros a year worth of goods to Iran. These revenues are used (by the regime) to finance the repressive apparatus, to export terrorism and to build the atomic bomb.
FOCUS Online: Would the population not be hurt by the sanctions?
Rajavi: Sanctions would essentially be a step towards recognizing and lending moral support to the resistance movement there. Iran is a rich country, but 80 percent of its citizens currently live in poverty because oil revenues do not benefit the people. The Iranian people would support comprehensive sanctions because trade with foreign countries does not benefit them anyway. The clerical regime’s suppression of the Iranian people is far more brutal than Gaddafi. So, the international community must cut all ties with Tehran.
FOCUS Online: Do you see any reason now for hoping that the regime could be removed?
Rajavi: Yes, absolutely. Now is the time for hope. Even while Iranians are subjected to executions simply for taking part in demonstrations or visiting their relatives in the Ashraf refugee camp, despite the perpetration of such violence in Iran, uprisings continue and the people demand freedom, equality, and separation of church and state. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad commits his crimes under the pretext of Islam and they perpetrate the worst type of suppression against women. This is how the Iranian people are suffering. Women constitute over half of the members of the National Council of Resistance of Iran and have elected a woman at the helm.
FOCUS Online: When was the last time you were in Iran and could you go back there?
Rajavi: The last time I was there was 29 years ago. Two of my sisters have been executed. If I were to go back to Iran, I would also be executed. Until democratic change is instituted in Iran, I will continue to work for such change from exile in Paris – as the voice of those persecuted and executed.
Maryam Rajavi is the 57-year-old president of the National Council of Resistance of Iran. The opposition activist has been living in exile in Paris for a long time.
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Posted by: bahareiran | April 1, 2011 Political prisoner tortured to death due to deliberate denial of medical treatmentNCRI, March 29, 2011- Mohsen Dokmechi, 53, a supporter of the PMOI and a political prisoner, passed away in prison due to deliberate denial of medical treatment by the mullahs’ regime after nine months of imprisonment and torture.
He had served several year prison in 80s and was one of the famous and reputable merchants of Tehran Bazaar. Mohsen Dokmechi was arrested again and was sentenced to 10 years of imprisonment and exile in August 2009 on the charge of helping the families of political prisoners and because his daughter Narges Dokmechi lived in Camp Ashraf.
Last year after being diagnosed with cancer, the mullahs’ regime prevented his treatment for months. Finally after several months of delay, they hospitalized him last December while his hands and feet were enchained and three armed agents from the mullahs’ intelligence service guarded him in the hospital.
Following a major surgery, his specialist doctors mentioned in a letter to Jafari Dowlatabadi, the regime’s prosecutor, that the patient needed chemotherapy and special medical care because of long delay in his surgery. However, the regime neglected the doctors’ recommendations and took him back to prison right after his surgery.
Despite his severe pains and physicians’ recommendations, the regime’s agents held Mohsen Dokmechi in ward 4 of Gohardasht prison under intolerable conditions. In order to torture him to death, they did not permit him to be transferred to the hospital and go under chemotherapy and special treatment. They did not even give him painkillers.
Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, President-elect of the Iranian resistance, offered her condolences for the martyrdom of Mohsen Dokmechi to the Iranian people, Dokemechi family, and especially to his daughter. She added: Like hero patients in Ashraf who resist in the face of medical restrictions, he became a symbol of unyielding will for freedom and overthrow of religious fascism.
She called on the UN Secretary General, UN High Commissioner for Human, and all human rights advocates to condemn deliberate medical depriving in the prisons and torture centers of Khamenei which is a clear example of ‘crime against humanity’. She asked for immediate measures to save the lives of political prisoners, especially ill prisoners, and to refer the human rights violation dossier of the mullahs’ regime to the UN Security Council.
Posted in Arrest, Torture, Ashraf, Extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, Health
Posted by: bahareiran | April 1, 2011 Young political iranian prisoner in coma
1 April – A student political prisoner has gone into coma and transferred to a hospital during a hunger strike, according to Hrana news agency on Wednesday.
Arash Sadeqi launched his hunger strike on March 15 in protest to brutal torture committed by the regime’s prison guards. Mr. Sadeqi’s shoulder and ribs were broken as a result of torture.
The regime’s agents have contacted the family threatening them not to refer to the hospital in search of the young political prisoner.
Posted in Arrest, Torture, Health
Posted by: bahareiran | April 1, 2011 Obama: Iranian regime “fiercely” suppresses calls for change30 March – In his remarks to the American people on Thursday about on the crisis in Libya, US President Barack Obama said calls for change in Iran are “fiercely suppressed.”
Speaking at the National Defense University, Mr. Obama pointed to the growing protests in the Middle East, and said, “A new generation is refusing to be denied their rights and opportunities any longer.”
“Progress will be uneven, and change will come differently to different countries. There are places, like Egypt, where this change will inspire us and raise our hopes. And then there will be places, like Iran, where change is fiercely suppressed.”
Only the people of the region can determine the pace and scope of change, he said, adding, “But we can make a difference.”
President Obama also added, “I believe that this movement of change cannot be turned back, and that we must stand alongside those who believe in the same core principles that have guided us through many storms,” including opposition to violence by rulers directed at people and support for universal rights and freedoms.
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Attempts To Smear Rense.com
To keep you advised about how freedom of speech and inquiry is being increasingly attacked by certain special interest groups, we thought it time to post another update report. Not a week goes by that we don't receive threats or intimidation at the hands of those would impose a fascist silence over any news or editorial commentary of which they disapprove. From email harassment to telephone threats, there is no shortage of neo Brown Shirt, book-burning freedom-hating enemies of our besieged Constitution, The Bill Of Rights and YOUR right to be informed and to entertain alternative viewpoints on ALL subjects. That, after all, is what true journalism is all about.
The issue is ZIONISM and how it has hijacked Judaism and the nation of Israel and is using them as worldwide geopolitical tools of suppression, control, massive manipulation, spying, bribery, blackmail, influence peddling and God only knows how many other things. No, Isreal is not the only nation that is engaged in such endeavors but it is certainly up near the top of the list in terms of brilliance,
sophistication, ruthlessness and results.
Zionist Israel is, in fact, now among the top five arms merchants on the planet and many of its huge sales of advanced and deadly technology are often being made to America's sworn enemies. The irony of much of the arms and technology export business in Israel is that it is being paid for and underwritten with US taxpayer money via the never-to-be-repaid 'loan guarantees' our rubber stamp Congress has given the Zionist state for many decades.
As is well-known by most scholars and students of Mideast history, Zionists have used Judaism and Jews for their own devices for centuries. As the brilliant Jewish scholar, Lenni Brenner, has documented beyond doubt, the Hitler government offered ALL Jews safe passage out of Europe in 1942 in exchange for a few million dollars. When top Jews went to the world Zionist headquarters in Switzerland and informed its leaders of the offer and requested the funds, they were turned down on the spot. The Zionists told the Jews that many Jews had to die during the war to guarantee them the leverage to force the creation of the state of Israel after the war. For nearly a century, Zionism has cleverly hidden behind the brilliant tool of immediately assaulting anyone who dares criticize Zionist Israel or Zionist Jews AND Zionist Christians as being 'anti-semites.' This technique has been extremely successful...until the last few years when it began to exposed as the contrived device it is, used by Zionists to dominate critics, generate fear and shut down debate.
The majority of people who visit this site condemn such clear and transparent efforts to restrict freedom of speech, inquiry, and intellectual consideration of the facts of history. Radical Zionists are the new Brown Shirts, book-burners and censors. And they have nothing to do with millions of Jews of good faith and pure heart.
Further, and most ironic, is the term 'anti-semitic' itself and how it has been willfully misused by Zionists since WWII. Semitic peoples are most of the people in that region of the Middle East...Jews, Palestinians and Christians are ALL semitic peoples. In fact, the recent discovery by British genetic scientists proving there is virtually zero genetic difference between Semitic Israelis and Palestinians was very quickly suppressed in the British and world press. So, the next time you hear the term 'anti-semitic', remember it actually applies to many different peoples and groups in the Middles East, most specifically to Jews AND Palestinians who have lived in the area for over two millennia.
Zionism's roots stem from much further north in what is now the southern CIS (Russia). The Ashkenazy peoples, long known as a dominating, manipulative force in the region, adopted Judaism between 900-1000 AD and have been using it to astonishing achievement ever since. These are NOT Semitic Jews...and they form the core of today's Zionist Jews
All of this has been documented for centuries and there are vast numbers of articles and papers on this issue online. Here now, are a few emails from people, Jews and Christians and others, who are outraged at Zionist efforts to dominate by intimidation and threat...especially in trying to label this site as 'anti-Semitic' and 'racist', etc.
If one wants to see racism, one needs look no farther that the racist, apartheid nation of Zionist Israel and its treatment of the Palestinian people...topped off with the building of the WALL. That huge numbers of Jews have recently fled Israel is a well-kept secret. We are informed there are long lists of Israelis trying to gain passports to get out. And then there are the heroic Jews who reject Zionism completely...and one need look no farther than the Israeli Army 'Refuseniks' to find examples of noble Jews who have decided to say 'NO' to their Zionist controllers. And then there are enlightened Jewish organisations like 'Jews Against Zionism' who speak out against the status quo and seek to inform the world that not all Jews approve of the policies of the current regime in Israel.
Robert Spencer is an amazing, truthful and highly knowledgeable man. His life is under threat from Muslims because he dares to speak up against Islam and Islamic Supremacists.
Mohammad certainly isn't any kind of Holy Prophet in the same way Jesus isn't either. However I would take Jesus' message of love over Mohamed message of Hate any day.
Iran's official position is that they are pursuing peaceful nuclear technology, not nuclear weapons. If this is the case, they have nothing to lose by simply having their facilities monitored by international inspections.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.