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Iran Watch, part 6.
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Since citizenship carries with it a responsibility to be exclusively loyal to one country, the whole concept of dual citizenship and nationality raises questions about which of the dual citizenships have priority. This is extremely important when the two countries have opposing interests. It can be a deadly problem when a dual citizen is in a high position within our American government.
According to the Department of Defense, only 4000 Jews serve in the American military. Over 200,000 American Jews have been trained at US expense by the IDF in Israel but only a handful defend Israel in the current wars in the military of the the country of their birth. 40% of the world’s Jews live in Israel. 40% of the world’s Jews live in the United States with 2.2 million residing in New York City alone.
It is a prerequisite for public service in the United States or command rank in our military to accept protection of Israel as equal to protection of the United States. This is as close to a loyalty oath as the United States has. American soldiers who swear “to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” also know they are saying “and the State of Israel” without a doubt. Why then, with American in a decade of wars clearly fought to defend Israeli interests if not their security, are American Jews so disinclined toward service to America?
Carter and the Swarm
by Israel Shamir
Publication of Jimmy Carter's Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid is a great event for America and for all of us. It's not that Carter said anything we did not already know about Palestine. Before Carter, we already knew that the Zionists had established a racist apartheid regime in the Holy Land where Jews have rights, and goyim have duties. Before Carter we knew a native Palestinian has no right to vote, move or work freely in his land -- that he is locked up behind the twenty-foot wall. Before Carter we knew that the US support allowed the atrocities to occur and the apartheid regime to entrench. But what we did not know was that there are prominent Americans who would dare the wrath of organised Jewry and spell it out loud.
Why did President Carter do it? Why did he risk his peaceful old age and gently fading glory to endure an attack by Israel's Fifth Column as merciless as the Four Columns' onslaught on Gaza? He was moved by compassion, that supreme Christian virtue of feeling together with the suffering and the oppressed. He saw the suffering of Palestine and he could not keep quiet
No, it did not touch a nerve. But keep using these ad hominem attacks. This will help you a lot.
Israelis Skeptical on War with Iran
By Ori Nir on March 8, 2012 9:03 PM| No Comments
Jerusalem - On Purim 2012, Israel does not look like a country on the verge of war. Certainly not like a country on the brink of a nuclear holocaust.
Tens of thousands were out on Thursday, in perfect weather, to enjoy marches and masquerades, feasts and festivals. At the entrance to the emergency room of Jerusalem's Shaare Tzedek Hospital, a covered lot that is supposed to turn into a mass triage center in case of a non-conventional war, there were groups of children dressed in colorful costumes, preparing to fan out at the large medical center and entertain the patients.
Inside, nurses and administrative staff were going about their daily work with red clown-buttons on their nose, peacock feathers in their hair or butterfly wings on their shoulders.
Are you EDLJD
Still, Mariella, can you enlighten to us as to your opinion with regard to the fact that Iran has made an explicit threat to use nuclear weapons against Israel? Mind you, this was not an ordinary Iranian. At the time when he said this he was President of Iran, so this counts as an official pronouncement. And he has just been appointed to one of the highest positions in the country. This does not exactly make it appear that his position has been repudiated. May we hear your comments?
Parkor Pete, Alexander and JJ all in agreement. WHo are these three guys and who are they speaking for. They like to dish out the bullsXXt but they can't take it when it is thrown back at them. I don't agree with all of what Ronaldo said but I do think that whenever the holocaust is mentioned people think only of the Jews and it is Jewish suffering that counts the most. Next comes the view that because Jews sufered Israel should be supported 100% no matter what it does. I speak for someone who is of the Jewish faith. JJ wants to throw in his cheap bit about Arabs. If he is concerned about black people, which does not come across to me, then why is he not standing on the line to speak about what is going on in Senegal, Ivory Coast, Democratic ROC, Nigeria. WHy is he not out there telling the US to bomb Libya again to support the Twaerga Tribes. His only tack is Israel, Israel, Israel. Personally speaking,I think these three are gving Israel a bad name. By the way I have lived in ISrael, I have served in the Israeli army and I hold dual citizenship. I have friends on both sides.
Morally, American Zionism is in a downward spiral. If the leaders of groups like AIPAC and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations do not change course, they will wake up one day to find a younger, Orthodox-dominated, Zionist leadership whose naked hostility to Arabs and Palestinians scares even them, and a mass of secular American Jews who range from apathetic to appalled. Saving liberal Zionism in the United States—so that American Jews can help save liberal Zionism in Israel—is the great American Jewish challenge of our age. And it starts where Luntz’s students wanted it to start: by talking frankly about Israel’s current government, by no longer averting our eyes.
Rabbis Against War with Iran: An Open Letter
The letter below was posted online by Jewish Voice for Peace, a Jewish humanitarian and human rights organization that opposes anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, and anti-Arab bigotry and oppression, including demolitions of Palestinian homes by the government of Israel. JVP seeks an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. JVP also seeks security and self-determination for both Israelis and Palestinians, a just solution for Palestinian refugees based on principles established by international law, an end to violence against civilians, and peace and justice for all peoples of the Middle East.
Please click this Peace Link to add your name to this public letter.
We, the undersigned American Jewish clergy, are deeply concerned about reports that Prime Minister Netanyahu will demand of President Obama, at their meeting at the White House today, that either the United States attack Iran, or else, Israel will.
We do not welcome the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran. We call on all the military forces in the region—including Israel's—to divest themselves of their nuclear armaments and renounce any belligerent nuclear aspirations.
The State of Israel refuses to acknowledge its own nuclear arsenal or to submit to international monitoring. We believe it is hypocritical of Israel to demand of Iran what it refuses to agree to itself.
Most of the people of the State of Israel oppose Prime Minister Netanyahu's military threats against Iran. They fear the consequences of an attack on Iran. As Jewish leaders, we too believe that the path of wisdom towards achieving peace and stability in the region is through dialog and engagement and not through acts of war. We call on the United States government to safeguard the interests of the people of Israel and Iran.
Nine years after the United States launched a war against Iraq that is widely recognized as having been badly executed and unjustified, Israel would have the U.S. implicate itself in a new war in the region, this time against Iran. We believe that Jews, and other Americans, will not support more reckless adventurism in the Middle East. In this election year, we call on President Obama not to give in to warmongering. As Jewish leaders we cannot endorse an Israeli act of war against the people of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The Bible teaches us: "bakesh shalom v'rodfehu—seek peace and pursue it." We urge President Obama to stand firm and to use his power as Israel’s chief supporter to draw Israel to the path of peace and justice.
Cantor Michael Davis, Evanston, IL
Rabbi Jeremy Milgrom, Re’ut, Israel
Rabbi Rebecca Lillian, Malmö, Sweden
Rabbi Rachel Barenblatt, Lanesboro, MA
Rabbi Brant Rosen, Evanston, IL
Rabbi Rebecca Alpert, Philadelphia, PA
Rabbi Julie Greenberg, Philadelphia, PA
Rabbi Margaret Holub, Albion, CA
Rabbi Shai Gluskin, Philadelphia, PA
Rabbi Zev-Hayyim Feyer, Claremont, CA
Michael Ramberg, Rabbinical Student, RRC, Philadelphia, PA
Rabbi Joseph Berman, Jamaica Plain, MA
Alana Alpert, Rabbinical Student, Hebrew College, Boston, MA
Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Stony Point, NY
Rabbi Howard Cohen, Bennington, VT
Rabbi Brian Walt, West Tisbury, MA
Rabbi David Mivasair, Vancouver, BC
Rabbi Eyal Levinson, Israel, OT
@mariella, please do try to look at what you and some of your cohorts wrote and you will see that the verbal abuse and incoherene there are spectacular. As for Oxford, yes, indeed, I completely stand by my words, I am not in the educational field, I do not know how the decisions in that sphere are made, but I see nothing in Tariq Ramadan for the University of Oxford to be proud of. Rather, the opposite.
Yet another gross distortion, Mariella. I have already said before that not every criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism. However, anti-Semitism is a very substantial basis for unfair criticism of Israel. I have already explained this. Please try not to lie in the future.
In 2003, several prominent Jewish philanthropists hired Republican pollster Frank Luntz to explain why American Jewish college students were not more vigorously rebutting campus criticism of Israel. In response, he unwittingly produced the most damning indictment of the organized American Jewish community that I have ever seen.
The philanthropists wanted to know what Jewish students thought about Israel. Luntz found that they mostly didn’t. “Six times we have brought Jewish youth together as a group to talk about their Jewishness and connection to Israel,” he reported. “Six times the topic of Israel did not come up until it was prompted. Six times these Jewish youth used the word ‘they‘ rather than ‘us‘ to describe the situation.”
Why Iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020382490457721257280588095...
Touchy, Touchy. WHy do you reply then if what I say is rubbish, why bother. Now do you know, Jonathon Hofmann and Roberta Moore.
I believe they call it divide and rule.
Your efforts are admirable mate but I can't see you making any headway with this bigot.
Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it
Stop Congress' New Pro-War Resolution
Wednesday, March 7, 2012
This was a major week in the debate over war with Iran versus diplomacy.
The hawkish AIPAC lobby organized its annual conference in Washington, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu met with Obama at the White House, and the pro-war crowd had one goal in mind: to pressure the President to draw a new “red line” for military action to try to block diplomacy with Iran and make Iran war inevitable.
But with your help, thirty-seven Members of Congress called on the President to support diplomacy.
Top former military and intelligence officials urged the President to stand firm against pressure for war in a full-page ad sponsored by NIAC. New diplomacy with Iran is now in the process of being scheduled.
And the momentum has shifted. The President refused to give in to pressure. He refused to draw a new “red line,” stood firm against “loose talk of war,” and said that there is time for diplomacy to work.
Diplomacy is the only way to prevent war, prevent an Iranian nuclear weapon, and put mechanisms in place to effectively address human rights abuses in Iran and create space for Iran’s pro-democracy movement.
But, having failed to pressure the President, AIPAC is now lobbying your elected officials in Congress to support a resolution drawing a new “red line” aimed at blocking diplomacy and making war with Iran inevitable.
The movement against war and in support of diplomacy is growing, and we can stop the war push if we stand strong. Please send a letter to your elected officials in the House and Senate and then call them TODAY using a special toll free number, 1-855-68 NO WAR (1-855-686-6927), to urge them to oppose this resolution.
So there you have it, the great pearls of wisdom from none other than Mr Reasonable. Clearly you are not in the educational field, that much I can deduce. You know nothing of what he does or why Oxford University would make such an appointment and yet you feel comfortable no compelled to express an ill informed opinion. Clearly you feel strongly about this appointment. I suspect you think dear Kempie should have been appointed to the post instead.
British Jews Serving in (IDF) Israeli Armed Forces
And why are you writing to me if my writings are not memorable, etc? Just ignore them, then.
Christians Should Reassess
Support for Israel
Zionism, Anti Semitism and
By Henry Makow, PhD
Azerbaijan Says Strikes on Iran ‘Impossible’ From Its Territory
Monday, March 12, 2012
Azerbaijan, which shares a 618- kilometer (384-mile) border with Iran, vowed to prevent the use of its territory to carry out attacks against its southern neighbor, President Ilham Aliyev’s aide said.
“Can we allow ourselves to bomb Iran or allow anyone to carry our air strikes against Iran?” Ali Hasanov, head of the social and political department of the presidential office, said in remarks broadcast on the private ANS television channel. “It’s absolutely impossible because our brothers live there.”
Hasanov sought to ease Iranian concerns about plans to buy Israeli drones and missile-defense systems valued at $1.6 billion, saying the weapons are intended to strengthen the former Soviet republic’s defense capability because of its ongoing conflict with Armenia over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region. Azeri Defense Minister Safar Abiyev is visiting Iran today, Teymur Abdullayev, a ministry spokesman, said by phone.
Almost a quarter of Iran’s 75 million people are ethnic Azeri, while the Persian Gulf state’s Shiite religion is shared by two-thirds of the 9-million population in Azerbaijan.
One of the fundamental beliefs that this movement was built on was its support for Israel’s right to defend itself. In our first demonstrations, we went to Birmingham, and we flew the flag of Israel, the Star of David. In the first public speech I ever gave, I wore the Star of David in Leeds. The reason for this is because Israel is a shining star of democracy. If Israel falls, we all fall. This is what our movement has been built on for two years.”
Now how would this organisation be?
sadly I think you may be right. It's such a shame that people like Julia do not want to even consider they may be wrong. Calling everyone who criticizes Israel a nazi or antisemitic is such a childlike argument.
Antisemitic is such a bad term in terms of accuracy as well since Arabs are also Semitic people too. What about all the Jewish people who oppose Israel's apartheid policies, I guess they are all self-hating Jews according to Julia.
Alexender it seems your really desperate to drop bombs on Iran and your gleefully waiting for that moment.
I say this because the arguments you bring in your support seems to be what he says what she says, which is hardly solid grounds to commit to such an act.
The chances of Iran bombing Israel is improbable, the chances of Israel bombing Iran is a likely prospect.
Israel is the modern day spartan state, its know no other language except force. Thats why its mastered the art of killing, war and assassination.
Hamas and other jihadists are still learning the same language which Israel has mastered.
say better to be bombed than loose my soul.
Someone needs to tell Israel that survival without a soul is not worth it.
You are in serious danger of running out of arguments mate!!!! Is that all you can come up with????
I will leave the NS readers to pass judgement on whether I tell lies or not. Indulging in semantics means that you get found out in the end.
The position you have taken from the beginning is obvious to detect.
@Jeremy: Who is the person of the Jewish faith you claim to speak for?
You claim you have 'dual citizenship'. You need to be more careful because Mariella etc . will claim that you have dual loyalties.
The fact that you are of the 'Jewish faith' is irrelevant to the points you make. Mainly because they are impossible to prove.
Israel's emerging 'Jewish Hezbollah
'? Israeli settlers are the new Jewish Hezbollah:
The traded barbs have drawn the line in Israel, between a government that has traditionally supported settlements as a political project -- and those who see settlements as a redemptive religious calling. Increasingly, the IDF has found itself caught in the middle of this conflict, with IDF soldiers told that their time in the West Bank will be spent protecting Israelis. Given the anti-IDF current among large numbers of settlers, and the most recent attacks against Israeli soldiers by "criminal groups of extremists," that will, now, almost certainly change. Even so, the current incipient conflict is markedly different than the one the IDF trained for just a generation ago. "My parents and their parents lived in a country threatened by Egypt and Syria," Yehuda Shaul notes, "but this conflict is quite different. It's definitely not what we're trained to do." But Shaul adds this caveat: "I think one of the worst things we do is blame the settlers," he says. "That's the easy way out. The settlements are there because our government thought it was a good idea. So. Was it?"
Iran on verge of making nukes, USA must lead attack: Netanyahu in 1992
Breathless predictions that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability, or – worse – acquire an actual nuclear bomb, are not new.
For more than quarter of a century Western officials have claimed repeatedly that Iran is close to joining the nuclear club. Such a result is always declared “unacceptable” and a possible reason for military action, with “all options on the table” to prevent upsetting the Mideast strategic balance dominated by the US and Israel.
And yet, those predictions have time and again come and gone. This chronicle of past predictions lends historical perspective to today’s rhetoric about Iran.
http://jfjfp.com/?p=29073 Jews for Justice
The mask slipped a lomg time ago.
University of Southern California and working on newspapers and for the United Press, he served as a career Foreign Service officer with the Department of State and the U.S. Information Agency throughout the world and in Washington D.C. During his U.S. government career he received the U.S. Information Agency’s Superior Honor Award and the Edward R. Murrow award for excellence in Public Diplomacy, U.S.I.A.’s highest professional recognition.
Curtiss is currently the Executive Editor of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
Read his full bio.
By Richard H. Curtiss
Former U.S. Foreign Service Officer
The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
For many years the American media said that “Israel receives $1.8 billion in military aid” or that “Israel receives $1.2 billion in economic aid.” Both statements were true, but since they were never combined to give us the complete total of annual U.S. aid to Israel, they also were lies—true lies.
The truth about Israel Shamir:
We wish to make this as clear as it can be:
We support Israel’s right to exist, and we support Israel’s right to defend itself.
But there is no reason why we cannot continue to support Israel whilst still being fully committed to halting the advance of radical Islam in our own country.
We support Israel, but England will always come first.
We will never risk the future of the EDL by pursuing an agenda that has little to do with the realities facing our country, and which would, quite rightly, do a great deal to jeopardise our cause.
The English Defence League also has the right to defend itself, and we will not allow the interests of a small minority override the concerns of the majority of our supporters.
Our focus is on England. It always has been and it always will be.
In many ways there are parallels to be drawn between the radicalisation that has infected the Palestinians and their supporters and the radicalisation that continues to breed in British Mosques. In this way at least, the people of England and the people of Israel have a great deal in common.
Whatever we may think of the conflict, the people of Israel face the threat of Islam-inspired terrorism every single day. With the possible exception of other Muslims, it is the Jewish people that have suffered more than anyone else at the hands of radical Islam. Even in the UK prominent Muslim organisations continue to boycott Holocaust Memorial Day, preferring instead to attend Al Quds Day marches, where they publicly support proscribed terrorist organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah, celebrate tyrants like Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini, or support pariah Islamic states with appalling human rights records. And in European nations wherever there are increases in the Muslim population, so too are there increases in the number of antisemitic incidents reported.
The war against radical Islam has no borders, even if Israel is the front line of the battle.
do you recognise anybody here
Excuse me, could we, once and for all, drop the offensive expression:"Zionist lobby"? We are NOT a "Lobby"> Here is the definition of "Lobby": Definition of LOBBY
: to conduct activities aimed at influencing public officials and especially members of a legislative body on legislation
: to promote (as a project) or secure the passage of (as legislation) by influencing public officials
: to attempt to influence or sway (as a public official) toward a desired action
— lob·by·er noun
— lob·by·ism noun
— lob·by·ist noun
It is easy to see that our activities do not fall under any of these definitions. Refer to us as individuals, and not a "Lobby".
All right, you are not really answering the question.This says it all.
Mariella that's cheap tabloid tactics, taking what I have said out of context and then trying to malign Alexander cos he supported me.
I stand by everything I have said, I don't expect anyone else need to agree with anything or just parts of what I say. If you have a problem with it have the balls to come to me and complain, don't go putting the blame elsewhere on someone else. Sad that the debate has come down to the school playground level, running to tell teacher cos you don't like hearing the truth which is hard to take.
I mean, your assertion of being of the 'Jewish faith' is impossible to prove as your other claims re your connection with Israel.
Surely, 'Israel, Israel, Israel' is the tactic of your side, no?
Division with EDL
this fight against Islamic jihad.”
It is now clear that the EDL are a tool of the Anglo-American-Israeli establishment, in their quest for full spectrum dominance of the Middle-East
This is not semantics, Mariella. I have specifically explained previously that I DO NOT consider any criticism to be automatically anti-Semitic, only when it is unfair. If this is the case, why do you put up this old canard that I view any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism? To what end do you keep distorting my positions systematically? Yes, I hope NS readers are not idiots and they can see what you are doing.
I agree that "anti-semitic" is an inaccurate term. However, everybody knows what it really means, so to try to get rid of it is a form of sophistry, nothing else. I suppose, we could also use the term "judeophobic"
By examining the Qur'an in the order it was revealed and by adding the context of the Islamic Traditions, a very disturbing trend emerges. The Islamic deity migrates from a nameless Lord to Ar-Rahman and then to Allah. The spirit starts off demonic, personally involving itself in hellish torments. Then he journeys from foolish to fierce, moving from uninspired tongue-lashings to all-out brutality.
The Qur'anic message evolved from simplistic Hanif traditions to dumbed-down subsets of the Judaic Talmud, finally settling upon Qusayy's arcane pagan rituals.
All of these were used to give a terrorist manifesto a veil of religiosity.
Then, in a perverse twist of irony, the peoples who supplied the raw material for Islam became its enemies. The Hanif's were defeated in the bloodiest battles of the War of Compulsion. The Jews suffered genocide at Muhammad’s hand. Even the Meccans who nurtured the pagan religious scam were conquered by the religion they had inspired.
Muhammad was always running away from his god. It was as if proximity was a problem. When he was in Mecca with Allah, his dark spirit was Ar-Rahman. Away in Medina, he became Allah. God was always just far enough away to insulate the prophet from his detractor.' claims of non-performance.
U.S. to increase military aid to Israel in decade-long deal - Haaretz ...
21 Jun 2007 – This year, Israel will receive $2.4 billion in military aid from the U.S.
Jews for Justice
This is an extract from a lengthy report on racial discrimination in Israel (not included here) and the occupied territories (below). The Israeli government co-operated in providing information to the committee, which expressed concern about rising levels of xenophobia, racism and racial discrimination inside Israel It reserves the designation 'apartheid' to describe how the occupied territories function, and urges Israel to make substantive and legal changes. CERD is a body of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.
'The Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) is the body of independent experts that monitors implementation of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination by its State parties.
All States parties are obliged to submit regular reports to the Committee on how the rights are being implemented. States must report initially one year after acceding to the Convention and then every two years. The Committee examines each report and addresses its concerns and recommendations to the State party in the form of “concluding observations”. Website: www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/
UN body criticises Israel for racism, xenophobia and apartheid
Mariella and Uncle Sam talking to yourself again? ;0
There you go again Alexander, enthralling us with your factual knowledge. Did you not know that historical and political discourse has moved on since the time you were at school. Academics look at political systems rather than individuals. You really are trapped in the past and seem not to want to move into the new century.
Mariella, on the contrary, I do not feel strongly about Ramadan's appointment, I am not the one who brought his name in this debate, but I was just responding to your championing of him. Personally, I could not care less if Oxford employs or not. However, I just do not think that this does not grace this venerable institution. But if you or anybody else wish to consider this pseudo-scholar as a new Aristotle, please be my guest!
I do not understand why we need to close down debate about divisions within the Jewish community about suporting Israel. I personally do not feel comfortable with this drumbeat to war with Iran. Does that make me a traitor.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.