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@ sir Micahel
'Going to Pakistan or Afghanistan, hating the west, saying nasty thing, fighting in foreign wars, being enforcers for local warlords aren't nice things. NONE of this is terrorism'
I disagree- it is terrorism, and most people would agree with me.
You should consider sir Michael that
1. you don't accept certain media coverage on the basis that u define it as right wing
2. neither do u accept my evidence on the basis that it's anecdotal.
So u only accept your version of the atrocities? or u deny them entirely? It's difficult to take u seriously when we can turn on al-Jazeera and SEE wioth our own eyes religious and civic leaders calling for all kinds of stuff in the name of Islam- don't fret, i get that the western govt uses tha, maybe even colludes with it, so that they can pick my pocket to pay some arms contractors for my defence against an enemy that my own side maybe complkicit in making... i gettit, but i have to be pragmatic also... i can't deny there is a threat, I'm not going to bury my head in the sand to the fact that there are desperately poor people being indoctrinated into a life of hate, nor is there any point in turning this into semantics. You can quote all your stats, but WE CAN SEE videos of people preaching hate and inciting violence against 'the west', people of authority in those countries.
So why would you INSIST there is no threat??
Circulated by Satan?
Damnit I've been found out!
How did you know Bloom? Did the little horns give me away?
Alabama: Misunderstander of Islam guilty of plotting to kill Obama for jihadist group
A man from Uzbekistan living illegally in the United States pleaded guilty on Friday to terrorism and weapons charges involving a plot to kill President Barack Obama.
According to court evidence, defendant Ulugbek Kodirov believed he was acting on behalf of an Islamist militant group in his homeland and was plotting to shoot Obama while the president campaigned for re-election this year.
Kodirov 22, pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in Birmingham, Alabama, to three charges as part of an agreement that spares him from a potential life sentence.
Oh and your video, tyerrorism is defined as someone blowing themselves up so as to kill others.
Again, SEMANTICS... Most would agree it is more than this.
Again, why would you limit your definition so narrowly to what terrorism is to support your argument?
Petty academics i have known many... and please, on the formal logic front it's unlikely u will win with me, like many amateur logicians u are having difficulty formulating the correct premise so your operator assumes the wrong input.
@ sir Michael
You're anger with the dark deeds of our own governments blinds you to the fact that there is a GROWING threat from hate peddlers.
Matty90 –I run 3 businesses’s, am on the PTA and on several other committee’s and sometimes post via my mobile and don’t always have the time to read over and check spellings. You have said nothing of any credibility or anything that has changed anyone’s perception, I have. All you have tried to do is make some cheap comments and weak jibes and you think you’ve had some kind of victory? What utter nonsense. My posts have shown factual and reasoned arguments and I have intellectually demolished the 3 Muppets and been victorious on every thread.
Sir Michael – I am happily married with 3 kids thank you. You live with your mum, are single with a big box of Kleenex next to your bed.
Jackass, Sir Michael and Matty90, as your spiritual leader and mentor and someone you would aspire to be like, I would like to remind you are all complete idiots and should give up. You just don’t and haven’t made any solid arguments and I wish I had someone from the intellectual left who could debate in a logical and reasoned way, look at the facts and concede that too many Muslims keep misunderstanding there so called religion of peace that is Islam and that Islam creates the conditions for too many human rights disasters around the world.
"islam deserves to be treated with the utmost disdain, mockery, and intolerance"
That's a dangerous statement. Like all religions, islam should be open to criticism and satire. Although in the case of islam, this has been proven over and over again to be a dangerous activity. People get killed for even the most slight of insults.
However, what do you mean by intolerance? People should be free to practice whatever religion they wish too, no matter how ridiculous you perceive it to be. The only requirement is that they should respect yours and my right not to hold their beliefs. They also have no right to demand that we respect those beliefs.
If you mean that islam should be outlawed, then I simply can't agree with you.
wow. Maybe if I say nothing it might get through? I've had 8 attempts to respond and each one has disappeared in a puff of smoke!
Awake, that is the definition of terrorism. War isn't terrorism, if you want to redefine it as such then WE are terrorists too.
"You can quote all your stats, but WE CAN SEE videos of people preaching hate and inciting violence against 'the west', people of authority in those countries.
So why would you INSIST there is no threat??"
Because there is NO CONSEQUENCE. Show me some terrorism which comes as a result of Islamic preachers. Any at all. WE CAN SEE people saying bad things then doing NOTHING about it.
"1. you don't accept certain media coverage on the basis that u define it as right wing
2. neither do u accept my evidence on the basis that it's anecdotal. "
I didn't say right wing. I said contrived, sensationalistic, lazy, and empirically false. I've spelled out and given abundant evidence as to why the mainstream media does not present curent affairs well, if at all.
As for your anecdote, well when I see many studies and read the words of professional analysts which completely contradict what some person on a blog post who clearly has massive bias said, which amounted to something that HIS friend said, I do tend to think it is unreliable yes.
"Petty academics i have known many..."
Yes, we must not listen to people who know what they are talking about.
"and please, on the formal logic front it's unlikely u will win with me, like many amateur logicians u are having difficulty formulating the correct premise so your operator assumes the wrong input."
LOL! You really want to get into that with me? Even after this, erm, "argument"?
"I disagree- it is terrorism, and most people would agree with me."
Yes indeed. 50000 Elvis fans can't be wrong. Your posts are filled with logical errors Mr argumentum ad populum, but I've refrained from exploiting them as I simply don't need to. The data and facts are on my side.
But if you want, I will oblige...
..you are assuming that Islam leads to terrorism. I have proved not only that most terrorism is not even committed by Muslims, but there is also the fact that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing at all to do with terrorism.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.