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"What is the point of the Liberal Democrats?"

They have sacrificed their distinctive beliefs and principles and received little in return.

"What is the point of the Lib Dems?" ask politicians, journalists, Lib Dem activists, Labour activists, students, taxi drivers and anyone else who has ever expressed a view on - or even a passing interest in! - British politics.

Nick Clegg and Danny Alexander have been touring the broadcasting studios trying to defend the Lib Dems' position (well, what position? They u-turned - again! - between Friday and Sunday) on Cameron's Euro deal (or lack thereof).

But consider this: in my mind, the Lib Dems had five issues which made them so distinctive and appealing to progressives: support for immigration; support for the European Union; support for electoral reform; opposition to tuition fees; opposition to the Iraq war.

Let's look briefly at the record of the past 18 months:

(1) Immigration: before the general election, the Lib Dems backed an amnesty for illegal immigrants. An amnesty, for crying out loud! And what have they done in government? Backed a cap on net migration.

(2) Europe: the Lib Dems were the most Europhile of the three major parties and, upon forming their coalition with the Tories, claimed they could constrain the Tories' Eurosceptic tendencies. In office, however, Nick Clegg finds himself Deputy Prime Minister of the most isolated and marginalised British government of the post-war period, with the UK now looking like its heading for the EU exit door. Bravo!

(3) Electoral reform: for the Lib Dems, PR used to be the be-all and end-all of British politics. But what happened? They agreed to a Tory proposal for a referendum on the non-proportional alternative vote (AV) and then lost the subsequent AV referendum, thereby closing the door on electoral reform for a generation.

(4) Tuition fees: the Lib Dems, lest we forget, pledged not just to oppose any increase in university tuition fees but to scrap them altogether. In government, however, not only did they fail to scrap the fees but ended up tripling them. Good job!

So that just leaves, (5) Iraq, which the Lib Dems opposed but, given their track record, will probably perform an inglorious and screeching U-turn on sometime between now and 2015. Keep an eye out for the press release from Danny Alexander welcoming the fall of Saddam Hussein and reports of a "furious" Vince Cable said to be on the verge of quitting...

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John H's picture

This is pitiful, and symptomatic of the best Labour is producing at the moment.

Medhi Hasan is a woeful journalist with a shameful background in defending the utterly indefensible. Yes, Clegg's hardly statesman like, but every time i cringe at his latest gaffe, i only have to think about that cretinous, ineffectual opportunistic simpleton E Miliband and i find myself almost weeping tears of joy. Your party Medhi, that's Labour, the guys looking out for the poorest and most vulnerable, managed to decrease social mobility and increase the gap between the richest and poorest. Well done. Oh and good job on the Iraq War as well. For all you Old Labour types, sorry, not even Ed is willing to be that barmy. For all you New Labour types, right, so it's the LDs that are mirroring the Tories is it? Pot and kettle?

For all those slinging insults at the LDs, pull your head out your behinds and look at the reality of a party with, what, 57 MPs, still holding the Tories to account and achieving wins on policies (i haven't seen the archaic tax credits for married couples Cameron was so keen on, have you?)

Lazy journalism from a sub-standard intellect.

Simple Simon's picture

No Indu, It wasn't the Libdems who spit the Labour vote- it was Nulabour with its total repudiation of liberal values as well as democratic socialist ones. I am one of the ost generation of lifelong labour voters who was abandoned by the party I loved.

Alex Baldwin's picture

Thanks Mehdi, this terrible article convinced me to join the Lib Dems.

You have four points, because number 5 hasn't happened. 2 was down to the Tories, and the LDs are looking to rebel on it. You can hardly blame the Lib Dems for 3 either (you could have looked closer to home until recently).

Ricardo1's picture

I agree that the coalition has been disasterous for the Lib Dems (and the tuition fees is the least of my problems with it because I happen to prefer the new system to the old one), but surely if the British people wanted these things, the Libs would have a clear majority?

mike cobley's picture

Surely this article's title should read "What is the point of the Clegg leadership?" The party has lost hundreds of council seats, two-thirds of its popular support and membership has fallen by about a quarter. What a triumph.

Fergus Pickering's picture

They exist so that silly people can be represented in the House of Commons

swatantra's picture

You might well ask.
They are simply a protest Party nothing more nothing less, but these days the the protess are aimed directly at them. Their excuses at a manifesto may as well be binned. Or possibly a think tank because the 2 main Parties will filch ideas from themif they are good ideas.

Sam Dale's picture

Devastating analysis that shows the Lib Dems have lost anything that made them distinctively progressive. That alternative voice is a real loss to British politics in the round. Labour has taken on some of the mantle but on teh above five tests it finds itself still lacking.

Ex-Lib Dem,, 22's picture

In my eyes, the Liberal Democrata have lost all credibility in the world of politics. They were much better off pairing up with the Labour party. At least that way, things wouldn't have got any worse for them.

thinkov's picture

they exist to fuck up labourand enough fucked up people are fooled

Sean Davey's picture

How about the point of the Liberal Democrats being the only radical party in British politics, taking on the assumptions of the way things are run, instead of sticking with the status quo?

Shifting tax policy to help the worst off instead of the best; linking top public sector pay to the lowest paid; prioritising the poorest pupils by making sure the funding moves with them, not just in lump sums building unnecessary new schools where others will benefit from investment; negotiating with Europe on multi-national issues like climate change (Chris Huhne this week, Graham Watson in the EU etc); legislating for equal rights inc. gay marriage; restoring pensions to earnings link; investing in young people & expanding apprenticeships; defending human rights; having a weighted and progressive approach to issues like drugs legislation instead of reactionary dogma...

It's the easiest thing in the world to knock the Lib Dems at the moment, but its disingenuous and cheap to claim we are not making a difference and hitting above our weight. Focus on point scoring, and ridicule if that's easier, but in doing so the Left are increasingly isolating any hope of a future alternative to Tory-led governments in an increasingly multi-party British politics. I'm suppose Labour and UKIP would suit you much better?

celeriac's picture

Yes, and I remember a lot of guff about 'a new kind of politics' based on consensus and the best person for the job (ie. intelligent people with expertise).

PMQ's is still a glorified debating society, everyone desperate for a sound bite - so totally insulting to voters. Scratch the surface, at least of the Tories and they are completely unsuitable for office.(a good example being Jacob Rees-Mogg)

Mandy's picture

@PikeyMikey, thanks. I just get really frustrated reading rubbish like this; its childish, petty but most of all bad journalism.

Stuart Eels's picture

Simon

That is indeed a very relevant question, he seems to revel in sucking up to extremists, promoting himself on programmes like Question Time and turning off the rest of us. He does nobody any favours and should be sacked!

Hugh Markey's picture

What is the point of the LIbDems? Obvious - they have been designed for those voters who are too snooty to vote for the party of the proles - the Labour Party and yet too scared to back the Tories, a party of rodents red in both tooth and claw.
Even now these confused professionals, managers and students who exercised their mandate in favour of LibDem power-brokers are still too hoity-toity to vote Labour but much too terrified to move further right.

Undecided

Andy's picture

as a muslim, I find it interesting you have relegated Iraq to a mere point number 5. Of course the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians and a party responsible for war crimes is a much easier thing to apologise for than a u turn on tuition fees. How can you be such a spineless apologist of the Labour party?

Willp's picture

Sean Davey amusingly writes of the LibDems' "Shifting tax policy to help the worst off instead of the best". May I recommend that Sean comes down to this planet and reads the nef's new document 'Why the rich are getting richer'.

GPPurnell's picture

Tom has a point - the growth in Lib Dem support over the last 25 years at least stopped the Tories or Labour getting an overall majority. Also, I suspect there may well be significant internal battles to be fought between Cleggites and the Social Liberal Forum. After all, the Lib Dems have one member one vote (for only £12), so unlike Blair, Clegg cannot rely on the unions and MPs to defend himself against the irritated majority of party members.

Indu Pendent's picture

Crikey, Medhi, Indu agrees with you which does not happen everyday.

A major achievement of Clegg (a success?) is that he has polarized the vote. The Libdems split the Labour vote at the last election which is why Labour lost.

Milibandwagon should be capitalising on Cameron saying No and the disagreement with Clegg. But he has seen the opinion poles showing a substantial majority of people support Cameron's decision. Again Clegg gets it wrong.

Hairywoodbutcher's picture

" WHATS THE POINT OF MEHDI HASSAN? "

1. Is an amnesty for illegal immigrants at odds with a cap on future net migration?

2."Nick Clegg finds himself Deputy Prime Minister of the most isolated and marginalized British government of the post-war period" - pure assertion and unquantifiable. SPINNING FOR ED

3. I recommend looking a little closer to home for the blame on that one, or congratulations depending on your stance.

4. Tripling tuition fees? Have you ever contemplated applying you misleading and sensationalist form of "journalism" to the cancer cure/cause classification program the Daily Mail is running?

Perhaps we've just reached a juncture where your campaigning and spin for Ed M simply makes anything that comes out of your mouth questionable to a damaging degree?

pobinr's picture

I can’t make produce or design anything. I can’t mend anything either because I stayed in the classroom for another 3 years after school & studied something as useless as Social Anthropology. So I have no practical experience at doing anything of any use & have no real grasp of what reality is like for real people as I am a plastic person.

But I can talk & I enjoyed talking on the Euro gravy train for 5 years & my wife makes a fortune out of the EU. So you see I preach the EU to everyone so that when I finally get my just deserts I’ll have the Euro gravy train to return to.

I talk in clichés;
We'll build a bridge to the 21st century.
Euro sceptics are racists & xenophobes
We'll face the challenges of the new millennium.
We'll grow the economy.
We're going to reform government.
We'll reach across party lines.
We're here t serve the people.
We'll fight for working families.
We'll empower people.
We'll leave no child behind.
We must put children first.
Our children's future is at stake.
We have to look to the future.
Together, we'll build our future.
We are focused & engaged & we have a road map built on a raft of measures

I waive my arms around as if I’ve been to the B.Liar school of body language.
I spout left wing junk whilst loving my upper middle class lifestyle.

The millions of East Europeans coming here because of the EU that I love so much, don't bother me too much because I live in a nice middle class suburb where none of them live.
So unlike most of the rest of you plebs, I don't have to feel as if I live in Poland every time I go out my front door.

Without even understanding my own reasons why, I'm happy to see UK taxpayers who are barely able to pay their energy & food bills, being forced to give £17 billion a year to the EU for unelected Eurocrats to throw at whatever takes their fancy.
Even though we don't even have enough money to fund our own police, hospitals & schools properly & pensioners who've paid taxes & national insurance for 45 years barely exist on their pension.

I am Nick Clegg.
I am a useless manipulative self serving piece of ****

Oranjepan's picture

The point of the Liberal Democrats is to defend plural politics and end the damage to society caused by polarising duopoly.

This is stated with absolute clarity in the preamble to the party constitition: "The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives."

Each of the specific policy positions criticised by Mehdi Hasan in this post are perfectly justifiable within that context - if absolute liberty is impossible for economic or other reasons then it becomes necessary to maximise liberty.

Josh Dixon's picture

Willp, do you not understand that what Sean said is completely true. You might not like to think that because of Lib Dem policy 1.1 million people no longer pay income tax (mostly law paid women!) but its true.

Lets also remember the manifesto. There were four key areas that the party stood on (no, tuition fees was not one of them). If you look at the manifesto and what has been achieved in government then you'll see that the party has had a significant amount of influence over policy. It is no wonder that independent studies have shown the Lib Dems are implementing 75% of their manifesto in government! Also, lest we forget that the Tories, pre election, proposed 96bn pounds worth of cuts, the Lib Dems just £81bn. And how much is the Government cutting? Thats right, £82bn, a billion pounds LESS than the proposed Labour party cuts.

I'm proud to be a Lib Dem and very much proud to agree with the poor arguments of Mehdi Hassan.

Josh Dixon's picture

That should read "disagree" at the end may I add!

Pobinr's picture

You're either left or right or somewhere in between.
Quite what Lib Dems are I just dobt't know.
In fact I think they are 'Don't knows' or whatever policies their left wing middle class socialist leaders trump up at the time !

skiptonman's picture

Reliably unreliable Mr Clegg, bring back Paddy ..

Tom's picture

Strange article... Could you only think of 4 things?!

I think the best thing the LibDems are doing is at least lessening how bad things actually would be under just a Tory Govt. They won't be thanked for it by the elctorate, but I am thankful.

David Lindsay's picture

The Conservative Party has been hoovering up Liberals, as Liberals, for a very long time: Liberal Unionists, Liberal Imperialists, National Liberals, Alfred Roberts’s daughter, those around the Institute of Economic Affairs (although its founders and its founding backer, like Roberts, never actually joined), and now the Liberal Democrats. The Tory organisation has always replaced the Liberal one, but the Liberal ideology has always replaced the Tory one.

The Conservative Party is itself therefore two parties in one, which would be entirely separate in many other countries, competing hardly at all for the same votes and co-operating hardly at all on any issue of policy. The metropolitan, urban, capitalist, secular, libertarian, make-the-world-anew party has finally defeated and banished the provincial, rural, protectionist, church-based, conservative, mind-our-own-business party. The Whigs have finally defeated and banished the Tories.

But preferably in a context of electoral reform, which can only suit the Tories down to the ground. They are not the only ones.

Mel Davis's picture

I believe Nick Clegg is an embarrassment to British politics and the Lib Dems. He has practically wiped his party off the political map and still they hold onto him. He should resign

Benjamin Rae's picture

The Lib Dem apologists are ludicrous. Clegg and the rest of the current leadership are liars. The tweaks to tax and the pupil premium are gimmick policies designed to give Lib dems something to say but of no real consequence when taken in the context of the assault on public sector workers , despicable welfare policies and dogs dinner of the NHS bill.
The thing that really stands out about the lib dems now is their willingness to go back on their word and stated beliefs

earlydawn's picture

Hmmm. The problem - as this article and the comments show - is that the reasonable people don't get any credit when they behave reasonably because they are consistently shat upon by the unscrupulous.
The UK and US political systems are irreparably broken at the moment because they only work on confrontation, not on negotiation.

Adam's picture

I have voted Lib Dem in the last 2 elections. No more. I agree with their policies but they have pushed nothing through. Pathetic party.

David Lindsay's picture

Are not the Liberal Democrats now in government? But as things stand, apart from Vince Cable from time to time in the Mail on Sunday, that party is exempt from an important form of scrutiny, a Fleet Street column.

Every national newspaper should have a Liberal Democrat. They need scrutiny. Scrutiny of schemes to join the euro. Or to grant an amnesty to illegal immigrants. Or to abolish church schools. Or to raise the income tax threshold, but without the wholesale restructuring that would guarantee everyone a tax-free income of at least half national median earnings at the given time. Or to reverse the erosion of civil liberties, but without therefore restoring proper sentencing and proper prison regimes because we could once again have confidence in convictions. Or to give the vote to prisoners. Or to advocate in this country openness, decentralisation and the election of everything, while also subscribing to European federalism.

Those, remember, are only the things that have managed to become party policy. Liberal Democrat columnists would give an insight into the milieu that produced such policies, into the ideas that circulate around them and provide their context, and thus into the minds and character of the people involved in that process. Where are those columnists?

For many years The Sun would not even send a reporter to the Liberal Democrat Conference. Yet over a good number of years it carried fairly or very regular pieces by Sir Clement Freud, much loved by many of us for his appearances on Just a Minute, making him the only regular Liberal or Liberal Democrat, as such, on Fleet Street.

Where the press is concerned, the Liberal Democrats are probably feeling very smug at the moment. After all, that is their usual aspect. They should consider, and be reminded, that their only newspaper voice over a prolonged period was in a paper of which Rupert Murdoch was not only the proprietor but also the editor-in-chief, and that it was the voice of a Liberal and then a Liberal Democrat whose son was by happy coincidence married, and still is, to Murdoch’s daughter.

C Baker's picture

They were voted in by their constituents. A small matter of democracy. Also, they formed a government because the numbers at the time, added up to form the fairest coalition. So we can knock the lib dems all that we like, but they were doing a very lib dem thing, which was following the democratic rulebook.

Labour were in power for years. Did they take any notice of their back benchers over Iraq, or the people? No, They got rid of anyone that wanted a debate. Even though they had a majority for ages.

The lib dems were guilty of selling popular policies they could never get through. There will never be enough of them in parliament for a start.

I actually see labour just as irrelevant as a party. They crush any union voices, yet take their money. They have no stance on europe what so ever. They have no plans or policies.

The lib dems are pro european integration. That is their stance. The reason clegg is dithering is that the euro integration is a bit stupid when the eu currency is crumbling.

I view mps as individuals voted in by their constituents. I love our democracy and love mps that rise above party politics. So whilst i don't agree with Nick, i think he is an easy scapegoat to take away the disarray of labour, that could get the majority, but don't know what they would do in government.

Mandy's picture

What a silly article. Mehdi, I honestly don't know how the New Statesman can justify your wage when you write rubbish like this.

Chintoo's picture

After choicing their socks and sandles, it's one of the biggest question what the Lib Dems are asking themselves!
How are we?
Are we becoming Tories?

Lib Dems are saying we should have kept Sir Menzies Campbell as our leader. Not this Blair wannabe.

Annoyed Labour supporter's picture

What's the point of labour?

Ineffective Opposition, with a terrible, hopeless leader. I am a labour party man and am desperate for change.

Labour has become a party that criticises everything and has a solution for nothing.

Abraham2's picture

The millions of East Europeans coming here because of the EU that I love so much, don't bother me too much because I live in a nice middle class suburb where none of them live. So unlike most of the rest of you plebs, I don't have to feel as if I live in Poland every time I go out my front door. http://www.101realestate.net/

FA's picture

Why was my last post removed?

Is defending the Lib Dems against house rules now?!?

Graeme's picture

C Baker - complacent, or what?

J Unit CYP UK's picture

Thank God these nutters aren't in power. Oh wait, they are!!!!! Amnesty for aliens? thats a bloody disgrace!!! Yes, everyone apart from the Tories and the BNP wants a new electoral system, but not AV!! AMS is the best. the Fib Dums are idiots. I hope they get parred in the next election by UKIP.

J Unit CYP UK's picture

And tuition fees? the spineless weaklings! now I have to pay £21 000 for an education. Thanks a bunch. Piss poor.

Jim Lockie's picture

As a working class kid I knew that labour was "our" party, against the tories, I was always puzzled by the Liberals/SLD/Lib Dems because they were obviously pro-tory, but with nice sentiments- anti-aparthied,anti-hanging, pro-gay. It has always been clear however, especially by the power happy idiots supporting this government, that they are simply weak but selfish tories.

Daniel's picture

If you're wondering the point of the Lib Dems then compare the coalition to what the Tories were planning to do as a majority. Every "loss" you cite have been lessened by their influence in government.

While we've had to put up with a lot of what we disagree with, we're also implementing a reasonable amount of policies, from tax cuts for the poorest, reform of the banks and constitutional reforms like an elected House of Lords and a lobbyist register.

Not bad for a party with just 57 MPs.
If you want to see a pure liberal agenda then give us a majority.

elrob's picture

Sean Davey
Shifting tax policy to help the worst off instead of the best;
----
I support cutting tax at the bottom, but the Lib Dem move includes removing tax credits, meaning the overall effect has been to help middle income earners, not the poor, so your point is not highly convincing.
2. linking top public sector pay to the lowest paid;
-----Why just the public sector? the division is far more acute in the private sector, and yes you can make a difference as a government on the point.

3. prioritising the poorest pupils by making sure the funding moves with them, not just in lump sums building unnecessary new schools where others will benefit from investment; ----
personally I consider education to be among the successes of NewLabour, as well as Health.
4. negotiating with Europe on multi-national issues like climate change (Chris Huhne this week, Graham Watson in the EU etc); ---Jeez, one step forward, and several back in Europe dialogue and ; I mean FFS.
5. legislating for equal rights inc. gay marriage; er, Civil Partnerships, end to Clause 28, heard of these? Distinctive???
6. restoring pensions to earnings link; just when inflation is outpacing earnings, great. And support for what is clearly a political move against Labour (assault on public sector pensions), painting it as simply in the pay of the unions. Cut the pay, increase the contributions, work longer, and get less. Do you really think this quadruple whammy is fair?
It has been a disgraceful episode of this govt. And it is the young
7. Investing in young people & expanding apprenticeships; (cutting EMA, cutting future jobs fund, one million unemployed youths - Labour did not do enough for the youth, indeed NewLabour impoverished the young via allowing the credit boom that pushed house prices ever higher. But your start in govt has been lamentable.
8. defending human rights; Well done for ending the expensive and grotesque ID cards scheme, which you did not need to convince the Tories on, so hardly your distinctive achievement. But that apart what has the discernible improvements been?
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Since the (hopefully) end of NewLabour, I have definitely gone back to Red. And Ed Miliband has been ahead of the game, seeing the end of an economic era. I find the carping that he is weak quite amusing. He has failed to convince the public yet, that is evident, but taking ion his elder brother with all the hurt that could cause, taking on Murdoch before any other major politician (and please, Cameron saying that the actions of the NotW are despicable was not nearly sufficient), and taking on the entire economic hegemony of deregulated market economics is not the actions of a weak man.

Al4's picture

Thanks, Pobinr, for telling us what the Daily Express think of Clegg!

Matt Thompson's picture

A cap on immigration is a matter of urgency, not ideology. Most people in this country want net immigration stopped. It is for the greater good of our long term health. Nothing xenophobic about it, this country is running out of water, cannot produce enough food to feed the population and will turn into an urban jungle.

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