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The grieving father talks to the New Statesman about tougher sentencing, and his Islamist past.
Tags: Tariq Jahan Riots
"How are Hamas Islamofascists? They have very good relations with the Christians in Palestine."
Now now Fergus, that's complete and utter BS. Maybe read up on Hamas in Gaza since 2005, and you'll see that Hamas doesn't treat the Orthodox and Catholics very well at all.
Not that I am defending these EDL morons who've crawled out from under their rocks. But I can't agree about Hamas I'm afraid, they're scum plain and simple.
Mehdi, it it pretty low to exploit this man because he subscribes to your view of the world, he is a victim of a terrible crime and using him as a puppet in this way should make you take a good hard look at yourself.
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most of the verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that the historical context is not embedded within the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence - and Muhammad's own martial legacy - has left a trail of blood and tears across world history.
In the West, it is typical for Muslims to come to believe that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in contradiction to this.
Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their daughter or lose respect."
For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking on the altar of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.
There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.
2011.08.24 (Diyala, Iraq) - A woman and child are among five Iraqis exterminated by Jihadi bombers.
2011.08.24 (Paktia, Afghanistan) - Islamists send rockets into a market, taking out at least three patrons.
2011.08.23 (Pattani, Thailand) - Buddhist monks are among the casualties of two bombings that claim two lives.
2011.08.22 (Baqubah, Iraq) - A 3-year-old girl and her father are shot to death by Islamic 'insurgents' in their home.
2011.08.22 (Gereshk, Afghanistan) - A child and a shopowner are successfully killed by Mujahideen bombers at a market.
2011.08.21 (Trekh Zaber, Afghanistan) - Religious extremists murder a 60-year-old Afghan farmer in front of his sons.
If Europe is and was so racist why have 18 million Moslems migrated to it since the end of WW2 mostly fleeing from oppressive Moslem states?
the guy asked to be left aloneon Tv, to the whole world- Now you've written a piece inviting comment, and who knows how the meeting has been painted, quotes out of context and all- don't you think the media has contributed to where society is now?
His public handling of his son's death is immaculate.
However, his views on society, politics etc are just that... views, and they are from a man is suffering a fate worse than death...
I'm sickened by this. It shows a total lack of respect for the family, and that you are unable to distinguish between reporting and sensationalising.
I could not IMAGINE wishing to comment on these views, so early in the bereavement. Have you thought what the father might feel in 3 months from now? Wheteher he might regret whet he said but was 'pushed' into it?
No wisdom, not civilised... we are living in a godforsaken place. My heart is so heavy you can't imagine
Words cannot adequately express the feelings of sorrow and admiration I have for Mr Jahan and also for the family of brothers Shahzad Ali, and Abdul Musavir. Please God be with you all.
My thoughts and duass are with all three men's families.
Tariq Jaahan, a man of courage, humanity and honesty.
Why does Mr Jaahan's opinion matter? why should we listen to him? well let me remind some of you his son Harroon, and BROTHERS Shazad And Musharaf, were all brutally murdered!!! may allah bless them.
I have been reading all the above, and am shocked and sickened, by what some off you have said!!!!
Let me tell you why ordinary people like Mr Jaahan matter, JULIA because we voted for the members of parliment to listen to US!!!! he has ever rigth to speak up and voice his opinion!! WE may all not have gone to the schools of ETON!!, but we have the power. David C, should really listen if he does'nt want scenes like that again, or he really will be out like his predecessor.
you people need to educate yourself on religion, all religions have extremisms STOP attacking ISLAM!!! go focus your attention on other faiths!
@Aston there have been a lot and i mean A LOT of muslims being killed by non muslims through out history. and what about the British empires that have caused far more damage and continue to cause damage because of the past???? stop being so one sided and ignorant and educate yourself !
What a surprise the so called hero has links to extremism. Just proves that extremism is rampent in islam and if we lived in a true democracy,the british people would have never allowed mass islamic immigration and would have ended the multicultural nightmere longago.
Has behaved with grace and dignity. May he and his family find some healing from this appalling experience. No doubt his faith, family and community will help during the tough times.
Looks like the EDL have found their way to the article. So they can read. I agree that he pretty much single-handedly stopped the situation escalating and becoming far more dangerous- A great feat by any measure irrespective of any stupidity he may have been involved with as a young man.
Romana, we know all about Islam...
Ramadan Bombathon 2011 Scorecard
In the name of The Religion
of Peace - Terror Attacks - 119
In the name of The Religion
of Peace - Dead Bodies - 500
In the name of All other Religions - 0
By "Anti-Muslim" Right-Wingers -0
Are you being satirical or do you seriously believe that British culture is pure and apparently better "before the vandals and barbarians were allowed to breach the gates and cross breed with...white trash"? Seriously?
How much of British history do you actually know of? How do you believe the British culture became developed? Are you pro-British colonialism? Because we were looting, pillaging and destroying cultures previous to multinationalism. Yes we SHOULD all bear the brunt of colonial guilt because people like you bang on about how great our country was without any historical evidence or research. I am British but my ancestry goes back to Indian, Polish, French, Irish etc and this all happened centuries ago. And quite frankly, your version of culture sounds boring.
2011.08.22 (Gereshk, Afghanistan) - A child and a shopowner are successfully killed by Mujahideen bombers at a market.
2011.08.21 (Bajju, Nigeria) - Suspected Muslim radicals shoot two Christians to death in their homes, including a 5-year-old boy.
2011.08.21 (Makhachkala, Dagestan) - Children are among the casualties when Islamic 'separatists' set off two bombs at a grocery store.
2011.08.21 (Riyom, Nigeria) - Fulani raiders attack a Christian village, hacking six to death, including women and children.
2011.08.21 (Arqoup, Yemen) - Nine members of a tribal gathering are sent to Allah by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2011.08.21 (Moudia, Yemen) - Four people are torn to pieces by an al-Qaeda suicide bomber with a ball-bearing packed belt.
Actually im a labour supporter have been for 15years and read ns for years. I detest the edl. Fergus people of left are finally realizing the threat of islam to our culture and society. The facts are the british people have had enough of islam poll after poll proves this.
So the majority of the british public are edl members then fergus? Not concered about their countries the rights of homosexuals, woman and futures of our children.
Julia, the verses regarding violence in the quran were revealed whilst the muslims were being persecuted or peace treaties had been broken by non-muslims. To understand the context in which they were revealed you need to read something called tafseer (explanation) of the quran, not just the translation.
Most verses containing the call to defend yourself against persecution are usually followed by commanding us to forgive our enemies if they desist from the persecution, and never to harm civilians.
Just because some muslims around the world today don't follow what's in the quran and kill innocent civilians does NOT mean that is what islam teaches.
Tariq Jahan's life story is a fascinating journey - and presumably his transformation from Hizbie bodyguard to the mature, constructive and special person he is is today came without any government Prevent agenda, think- tank prompting, or other such outside intervention or carrots. It was more of an internal transformation brought about by experience, fatherhood and so on.
Wonder whether one product of 'week riot' will be a diminishing in demonisation of Muslims now that some stereotypes of them (eg not community minded but separatist) have been upturned.
I found it well worth getting NS this week for this interview in full. A very good issue of NS all round.
Yeh, it does seem like this guy is being used to score political points.
Remember when Gillian 'bigot' Duffy kept being asked for her views as if she was some sort of political guru. lol
Julia you are so IMMATURE!!! Grow up!!! You have your blinkers on !!! No run along and continue with your non existence of a life.
what kind of comment is that? shall we talk vietnam, korea, palestine, afghanistan, iraq etc etc or should i go back 100 or so years and then really really produce a list.
the west v islam is a tool to keep us all on the back foot while we keep getting robbed of our civil rights and pensions. wake up man
Why so much hate Julia?! Oh lets see, is it because you have no life!!! Are you one of these individuals that loves slating people...only to big up your own ego..surely it can't be that bad when you look in the mirror..PLASTIC SURGERY is always an option!!! LOL
I love Islam
I love being Muslim
Ramadan Mubarak and Eid Mubarak to all!
Ignore the haters as their hearts are diseased and they only make us stronger, more faithful Muslims!
What's a matter Julia? Don't you know who your father is? And is your mum still in rehab?
Tariq Jahan's humility shone through yet another dark period in this country's recent history, and yet no politician, no media commentator, could get anywhere near the sheer power of his vision: from the absolute depths of parental distress and loss, he was able to keep sight of the society he wanted, the society he had worked for, the society he was proud to belong to. Yes, there is a whole spectrum of life out there, and there will always be the avaricious, the aggressive, the disaffected: but they will always be a small minority. What Tariq Jahan stood up for was a tolerant and united Britain, a country that could embrace difference, and reason its way into understanding more, with always the hope that the sense of unfairness which breeds resentment (and much, much more)can act as the spur to bring about changes in our unequal society - through dialogue and concensus. David Cameron showed his lack of statesmanship at this time of crisis by simply jumping on the 'let's treat them tough' bandwagon rolled out by the press after it was first hastily assembled in the hysterical, mouth-foaming chamber of the House of Commons. Why do we need to look for reasons, to find blame. This is our country: if young people, or any other group, behave badly, then that is just to recognise that some people behave badly. MPs, reporters & their editors, bankers, police have all exposed how weak morally any of us can be: the rioters and looters should not be seen differently and should not have to face a different kind of justice. After all, if white collar crime such as the bankers & phone hackers were gulity of is not punished, or not very much, and blue collar (street crime) receives "disproportionate" sentences, and leads to over-crowded prisons ( and probably even more riots), then this sense of unfairness will simply grow stronger. We need to listen more to people like Tariq Jahan, people who live their lives in their communities, the vast honest, decent members of this country.
@ Julia- Still no where near the 500,000 iraqi children killed by western sanctions and of which 'mad'-eline albright (US Sec of State) said was a price worth paying. And what of the thousands killed in Iraq whose responsibility lies with the Occupying powers?
... 'idiots who need to be put ...in there place'. You mean 'their place'?
@ Roberta Moore, London UK, 19/08/2011 18:57
Do you mean comprehensible?
julia wont answer that one. she has her blinkers on usually
she wont even consider stray bombs killing innocent children either. i dont actually think she cares about kids to be honest. they get in the way of a good story
of course, the west and its allies are a force for good. we dont want nations' assets. we want to give then freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom
oh the irony
Romana, you might feel free as you live in the UK under democractic rule, something almost most Muslims countries dont have. Further your under Sharia, you would have to cover you head/face/bag over your head - not free, cant be openly gay, cant leave or critise Islam in any objective way, speak freely about your Islamic government. This doesnt even touch on the lack of freedom of rights for women under islam.
Its amazing how blinkered Muslims are and how they defend there own form of Medieval control asif its something progressive but is backward and wicked.
inner city kids break a few windows (disorder) = 12 months +
bankers run a ponzi scheme (fraud) = bonuses and bailouts
mps steal thousands in ex's (fraud) = 6 months or just pay it back
nice fair system we've got hey?
the only fair some people on here know had dodgems, big wheels and toffee apples
@fairplay "inner city kids break a few windows" ah, so that´s your take on the riots eh? so no-one died then eh? no-one got dragged off their motorbike and beaten then eh? no hard working people lost their business then eh?
fairplay - you really need to review the footage of the riots (without your rose tinted left wing glasses on) and then get back to me.... EH?
It is possible to pick through this man's comments and have rational opinions about what he is saying you know, without either wholly agreeing or dis-agreeing with everything that he says. For me I tend to look upon the man's position in the round and accept that he has been a sane influence in a moment of real and potential insanity within his community. He should not however be elevated above what he himself regards as his status. He is a humble man and should be allowed to remain as such.
I certainly now would advise him not to get used by certain groups for their own political agendas.
His grief and sorrow should be the shame of those that perpetrated such a dastardly crime on him and his family. What further significance it has I cannot say. Tariq Jahan's initial response will be the one that most resonates I feel. That has been and will remain his lasting positive contribution. Now let us leave the poor man and his family alone to grieve in peace as they try to come to terms with their great loss.
@ Ramana, your another stupid, thick and dangerous Islamofacist.
Its funny that its ok for Muslims to Kill Muslims, like talking about the weather, when we look at Gadafi, Assad, Iran, Pakistan, all these terribly wicked and evil regimes who kill, slaughter there own people and all you can do is mention Israel?
If Muslim states really want to end "Islamophobia" in the West, here is an easy way they can do it without going to all the time, trouble and expense of running to the UN and trying to get laws passed that are at variance with the settled law and custom of Western non-Muslim states:
1. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
2. Renounce definitively not just "terrorism," but any intention to replace the U.K /U.S. Constitution (or the constitutions of any non-Muslim state) with Sharia even by peaceful means. In line with this, clarify what is meant by their condemnations of the killing of innocent people by stating unequivocally that American and Israeli civilians are innocent people.
3. Teach Muslims the imperative of coexisting peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis.
4. Begin comprehensive international programs in mosques all over the world to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism.
5. Actively work with Western law enforcement officials to identify and apprehend jihadists within Western Muslim communities.
If Muslims do those five things, voila! "Islamophobia" will no longer hold sway among Westerners!
Perhaps Mehdi can tell us whether Mr Jahan supports the islamofascists of Hamas who believe that all Jews must be killed, that Gays must be crucified, that adulterous women be stoned to death and Christians be ethnically cleansed from Gaza?
Well Joe Public, I guess I said you could read, not write. Begs the question: Why do you hate the EDL? Am somewhat suspicious of anyone who focuses relentlessly on one tangenital aspect of a story driven by their own agenda.
@ Frederick - How are Hamas Islamofascists? They have very good relations with the Christians in Palestine. Methinks you're a Zionist troll who can't bear the thought of a Muslim garnering any sympathetic press.
Well said Raheel, but you missed out all the thousands of Musllims being murdered in the name of Israel!!! and the thousand of muslims brutally murdered in Eastern Europe, and the Crusaders 1095-1291.
Iraqi OIL WAR!! 16,000 on invasion and 100,000 during occupation!! and 500,00 as Raheel has said.
The Genocide in Bosnia, Serbia, oh and lets not forget the muslims in North Africa killed by Hitler!!
Dungan Ethnic Cleansing!!
I can go on!
As I said EDUCATE yourself!! its not all Black and White, read Between the lines!! it really is not about Islamaphobia which the likes of Melanie Phillips created and banter on and on about!!
Anyway lets remember that 3 young good muslims men of there community were killed by YOBS who have no respect for life!! and the afterlife!! The families left behind have a huge void in there lives forever, and if your not a parent you will never understand the pain!! you will always be a bystander watching from the outside and never really understanding the bigger picture!! we all move on, but for the families how have lost loved ones in such a horrific manner, time stands still, it GROUNDHOG day.
Why have I got hate inside me if I am highlighting some on the unjust elemtents of Islam?
Did you know in Jordan if you kill your own daughter as an honor killing you will only get 6 months? Am I hateful for being shocked at that fact? Maybe you'd like to comment on it? Maybe the TV programmes that teach Muslims men how to beat there wifes, am I being hateful for being shocked at that fact?
The fact is I feel sorry for the victims and you Muslims are too scared and indoctrinated (even more so as women) to stand up to this Misogyny and/or even question your oh so perfect religion.
I think Mr Jahan has made it quite clear that he doesn't support extremism and the callous remarks about the deaths of these three young man say more about the the people making those remarks than they do about anything else. Why such hatred towards a man who has suffered so much and behaved with such dignity?
Re- read Mr Jaahans Interview, its talking about a man who belives in GOD and seeks refuge in his faith, which in this case is Islam, to help him and his family through theses troubling and testing times.
I wonder, Julia had he been of another religious background would you be penalizing him for his religious beliefs, or just simply praising him for preventing many more deaths.
I have lived and worked in many of the arab countries, and have never had to cover, my face, head, hands, or even be driven by another male.
You should'nt belive all the propaganda
B*** S*** the media write.
I have always been a free muslim woman.
Are you free...................
I agree with Flashbuck...
Who elected him? And why is his view that we don't need harsher sentencing worth listening?
Will we see him on panel game shows next or question time?
Here we go again, people trying to heap-on the post-colonial guilt. Change the record.
As i said, if you re-read what I have written I didn't critisie him for being Muslim or his views. My criticism was that he was being asked political questions and used cynically by Medhi and other liberal media to gain political points.
If he wants to find solice in Islam, that's his affair.
The Subsequent discussion regarding islam ensued outside of any connection with Mr J and wasn't started by me.
Your boring me now.
Oh please! looks who's talking I merely bring back the discussion to the key point Mr Jaahan is making, and has every right to make. You on the other hand are bantering on and on about how Islam is this, Islam is that!! now tell me some thing I have'nt already read about! the abuse you guys write, is really unbelievable!!! but most of all shocking!!
You should be careful what you write, because your blogs is like a written Rampage on Islam.
Pincher writes, 'Here we go again, people trying to heap-on the post-colonial guilt. Change the record.'
Surely you mean 'rewrite the record'.
@ Julia- well what happened to the cherished right to free speech? Can we not express an opinion without being elected first? It seems free speech is ok if you are bashing immigration or Muslims?
@ Sean- there is NO contradiction in what he has said; in Islam, what Allah wills to happen does not mean He necessarily approves of it. If we have free will then people can do things (like murder) that they want to (though we believe they will be accountable for it). Therefore the murder of those 3 is not something we celebrate nor believe Allah liked it to happen! It happened due to the free thoughts and actions of people who were breaking both UK + Islamic laws when looting and murdering.
you always do julia
the man should be celebrated. dignified and honest. what's wrong with that?
as for sentencing, the law is the law and should not be bent to accomodate the publics emotional state. provide these kids with role models and futures and you will see changes.
His view is worth listening to because he has lost the most. He is able to forgive the worst crime, so why can't we forgive lesser ones?
People get killed every day in all kinds of horrible circumstances every day, give them support and let them grieve.
He said his bit after the death, very admirable, leave him alone and let him grieve.
We don't want to hear his life's story, his political views as they have nothing to do with his son dying.
The media circus are just milking this story and putting this guy on a pedestal.
Its his son we should be thinking about and focusing our attention on.
Its his son who is dead what were his views and aspirations?
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.