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I agree with you fully that immigration has had many positives. England has always welcomed immigrants, but not in the numbers we have seen over the past decade.

The majority of British people feel that immigration is out of control - why ? because we don't have the resources or the organisational will to provide all newcomers with a house, a job, a hospital bed when needed, a doctor,
a dentist, a social worker, a "diversity champion", a "mobility awareness officer". etc etc. Half a million people are entering the country every year. With 2.5 million unemployed, we don't need any more potential job seekers.

The majority also feel that too many people have been allowed to come to the UK - there was an open door policy that Labour now deny ever existed. The same Labour that now want to know why the people they allowed in
are not getting the same opportunities as someone who was born here. Even foreigners who arrived here more than a decade ago think we allow too many people in. Ask around and see how indians and pakistanis have
reacted to the influx of Eastern Europeans into Bradford.

NONE of the three major parties will acknowledge or address this vast change to our country. Most Lancashire and West Yorkshire towns are now predominantly black or Asian and this will only increase.
Nearly all of our inner city schools are the same. Why didn't Labour tell us this would happen ? How is this change a good thing ?
At present, my perception is that 55 million British people are being forced into doing all that they can to fit in with 2 million new arrivals.

Virtually 100 per cent of all resource to tackle racism is directed at white people and our need to understand the new arrivals' culture, language and religion. I see no work being done to address black racism.

Can we talk about knife crime, gun crime, drug dealing, honour killings, muslim efforts to vote in muslim councillors and politicians under Operation Vote Muslim, muslim postal voting fraud, benefit fraud, people arriving
in the UK pretending to be victims of torture, fake university courses, failed asylum seekers that stay anyway, sham marriages, a Human Rights Act that now means we cannot deport murderers, a maternity system 'bursting at the seems', a critical housing shortages despite a falling UK birth rate, arranged marriages, cultural and religious differences that break the Human Rights Act, why are so many new TV presenters Indian women, why do adverts 'produce place' black or Asian people ?

No, it seems we cannot comment on or criticise the huge changes that have happened here without being called racist or bigoted.
How would other countries react to the huge sea change we have seen in the UK ? Would we be shown a level of tolerance ?

With no major party to address this, isn't it about time we had a proper debate on why the majority of British people have not responded in the way the government want us to ? By the way, bussing in black and Asians to shout
at Nick Griffin on BBC's "Question Time" is not a balanced debate.

'Britain can quite easily accommodate another 200 million people without any problems whatsoever. Cameron as Mehdi points out is fear mongering to gain support. The more immigration the better.'

I hope this is sarcasm?

Cameron was right to speak out about immigration. Recent polls have indicated that a majority of British citizens oppose any further significant immigration, and want stricter immigration controls.

But democracy and the will of the people do not sit well for Mehdi and the little gang of multicultural hucksters. They realize that, after decades of failed social engineering, the tide is turning against them, and they can't have that, so they dig in their heels and cry 'racist! alarmist! xenophobic! islamophobic!' and whichever of the latest buzz-words they've invented.

Mass immigration has brought no benefit to the UK whatsoever. Zilch, nada. migrationwatchuk.org has repeatedly banished the myths surrounding immigration. Clearly some migrants bring economic benefit to the UK but, taken as a whole, what they add to production is counter-balanced by their addition to the population. The only major inquiry ever conducted in the UK was carried out by the Economic Affairs Committee of the House of Lords in 2007/08. In April 2008 they reported that "We have found no evidence for the argument, made by the government, business and many others, that net immigration - immigration minus emigration - generates significant economic benefits for the existing UK population." As regards the contribution of migrants to the Exchequer, they concluded that "The overall fiscal impact of immigration is likely to be small, though this masks significant variations across different immigrant groups."

Furthermore, almost all increase in the UK's population between now and 2029 will be down to immigration and immigrant families. The fact is, Europe and Britain's populations are declining, and being remorselessly supplanted by a surging Muslim demographic. Recent studies have shown whites may well be a minority in Britain by 2066 - and this notion was vehemently opposed by the vast majority of Brits in a follow up poll. These shifting demographics, particularly in favour of self-segregating Muslim minorities, is not a recipe for societal cohesion. Mehdi is simply trying to pull the wool over our eyes in the meantime, because this shift in favour of Islam works for him.

He's a lair, a peddler of myths, and in my opinion engages in taqiyya (lying to the disbeliever) in order to wage stealth-jihad. Mehdi is just a closet-Islamist and shouldn't be taken seriously.

He has been recorded, live on camera, stating that atheists are 'people of no intelligence' and that 'the kaffar, the disbelievers' are 'cattle'.

This has been meticulously documented here:

http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/24/medhi-hasan-exposed-part-...–-atheists-and-disbelievers-are-“cattle”-and-“of-no-intelligence”/

A bit damp and cold down there in those tunnels the last time I was there Mr Divine, lets get off down to Ehtch Tee's have a cuppa and talk about his coal mines.

Britain can quite easily accommodate another 200 million people without any problems whatsoever. Cameron as Mehdi points out is fear mongering to gain support. The more immigration the better.

Hello Mr Divine, I would love to accept such an invitation but but being an old cynic I'm thinking whats the catch. what is the catch?

Going back to the debate which as usual has degerated into name calling, I reckon that Aussie could take, well lets say 200 million such a vast land.

la potenza della speranza. An all suffocating state is not socialism.

One should asked ourselves a question, with around 1 million young people between the ages of 16-24 out of full time employment or actively seeking work, is it right to allow mass-immigration of any economic migrants into the country at all?

If David Cameron cared about forced marriage the govt cuts wouldn't be leading to cuts to domestic violence support services. They also just cut the post dedicated to ending FGM in the UK. It's just a rhetorical device to make us think that he cares about women's welfare. it's BS.

Since the UK only grows half its own food, by definition every extra immigrant reduces food for the rest of us!

SR819 - you ask what good immigration does for us. According to the Right-wing Libertarian think tank, the Adam Smith Institute, who are usually very ready to back up the Tories & who monitor economic trends closely, immigration pushes wages *up* in the long term, not down. The effect on the UK of immigration is equivalent to a drop of 1% in the income tax rate, because bottom line, immigrants pay more into the Treasury than they use up in welfare/healthcare etc. They bring technological innovation, a can-do attitude & a decent work ethic. If a right-wing think tank like ASI are agreeing with the Lefties, and the Tories are left isolated with only the EDL & BNP for company, who d'you think's right?

Make it 900 million Stuart.

You tell me what's the catch?

Stuart, haven't you heard, me and ET are one and the same according to Luddite. I love to go to ETs but with all those millions those people in his living room drinking tea I don't think I'll be able to fit.

Its still perfect weather here. I lit a fire in the back field and burnt some thorny weeds. The high is about 24 C and the smoke goes straight up into a clear blue sky. It's still the best weather in the world.

The fear of the right-wingers over people from other countries and culture is just unbelievable, especially when they spent all day yesterday gorging themselves over the spectacle of a mass family riddled with 'foreign blood' have a humongous wedding ceremony paid for at tax-payer expense!

Just read your comment in Saturday's Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/16/david-cameron-immigr...

Hear, hear! When will people stop blathering on about the downside of immigration and look at the positives? Yes, there are problems in lots of areas outside of London (Bradford, Burnley to name a few), but these are not caused by immigration, but by the demise of traditional industries and lack of investments in these areas. London is a case apart and always will be, but I for one would not like to live in a country or city that hadn't experienced the benefits of immigration, both culturally and financially.

Yes, let's talk about immigration. It's marvellous!

@ SR819

I am of Pakistani descent. My father came as an immgrant in the 1960s worked non stop until his retirement. I have 2 sister in laws not in work but are being supported by their husbands (my brothers). Both worked before for long periods but now care for children. Economically inactive but not living off tax payers.

I can't see how you can stop Asian Britons from bringing in wives from the subcontinent if they wish to do so. Though I agree of course they must learn English and try to be economically active.

Rob - TBH I don't mind immigration as long as it's as easy for people to come & go as it is for their jobs to. It's only fair that if the economy is run by multinationals & they'll move our jobs elsewhere that we can go & find jobs worldwide too. European immigration is less contentious because of this reciprocal right to emigrate.

Will they all fit in your front room?

Pathetic article with little of interest. The idea that any politician would not try to gain political advantage from their policies 3 weeks before an election is ridiculous http://bit.ly/eE13rY

Considering 73% of people in Spain do not speak English, should British people who move to Spain also be made to learn Spanish?

Stuart Eels, coalmines are a bit thin on the ground down my way these days, but there is always the Big Pit museum experience the other side of Wales. Don't forget, bring your own shovel.

And Mr. Divine, after a review, I can happily announce that Wales can in fact easily accept 25 mill - I forget that the more hills there are, the more acreage there is. And my order for 25 million teacups has just been put on ebay, plus a load of cheap chinese kettles. And I'll get some marquees in, but my kichen isn't that small though.

This thread is getting very Spike Milligan/monty python...

One of the few times i have ever agreed with cameron although i think what he said does not go far enough. There is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to this country from mass immigration and everything possible should be done to reduce/curb/stop it.

Its all very well for middle class liberals and lefties to say we need it and welcome it but they do not have to like in the shitty areas where huge numbers of these people end up, unable to speak english, unwilling to integrate and hoovering up , in many cases i have seen personally, 30, 40, 40k a year in benefits per family.Not to mention making it harder for people to get jobs in an already difficult market and driving down wages.

We cant afford it and it causes huge distress in the areas where large numbers of immigrants move to.Just ask the people of govanhill in glasgow.

Can anyone also tell me why so many people from Africa come here anyway rather than go to other African countries that are much closer? one reason and one reason only, benefits.

The governments plan to limit the maximum you can claim in any one year to average salary of 25k is a brilliant one. It will also encourage personal responsibility.he should have gone further as the average salary is 25k before tax.

I would really love someone to tell me, specifically, how 200000 immigrants to the uk a year is good for us.And no, I am not voting BNP but i have seen areas in Glasgow blighted by immigration and i have seen through my work the enormous sums of money paid out to immigrant families. It has to stop and the sooner the better, even if it means leaving the EU.

Look, Britain can't be such a bad place. Millions of the world citizens are willing to make quite hazardous journeys to reach its shores.
Non-doms find it the perfect habitation for their families, servants, and wealth.
Shortly, a human tide of newly liberated North Africans will be heading this way. Thanks Twitter|! Thanks Facebook! Thanks iPhone and clones! By the way, who taught these people how to do the 'V' sign? The wrong-way round and it's very rude.
Welcome Mat

It's political spin because grants have just been cut to the IAS. An easy target but one that has to be pre-empted spin wise before it goes down.
Cameron's political dogmatism disguised as 'we're all in this together' makes me want to vomit.

What I find most galling is the way the metropolitan liberal elite are trying to carry out cultural genocide against the English, acting as if "English people" don't exist, and that the only identity white people are allowed to hold is that of "British national". And yet successive governments have bent over backwards to accommodate ethnic minorities and recognise their rights, a lot of time elevating their rights over the indigenous population.
In response to the earlier post, you are a British national and are allowed to live in this country, however, you are not "English" in the sense that you are not of anglo-saxon stock, and it is not racist to say so. You of course have every right to be in this country, but to say you are English would be to say that a white Englishman born in China would be called a Chinaman, which is obviously not the case.

In any case, the main issue is not so much immigration from Europe, or immigration from the USA, Canada, New Zealand etc, because we share similar values, cultural reference points and beliefs, making it much easier for them to become assimilated into British culture. However, immigrants from the Indian Sub-Continent and Africa do not share our values, and are likely to segregate and keep themselves to themselves when they migrate to this country.

This is why most of the tensions when it comes to immigration have been caused by immigrants from these parts of the worlds, because there is too great a difference between their belief sets and our belief sets for them to fit into our society. I know the metropolitan, liberal elite will find it hard to swallow this fact, but it is the truth.

In fact, it seems the metropolitan liberals are actually waking up and smelling the coffee. Majority of the comments I read on the Guardian are strongly anti-immigration, and many of the liberal journalists are making similar points.

Hopefully we have more politicians like Jon Cruddas, who actually recognise that Englishness exists, and is something to be proud of, and is willing to speak up against mass immigration especially when it's used as a 21st century incomes policy (his words, not mine)