It's a good job that comment threads have barely any impact (none at all) on the mainstream debate, because the lack of knowledge and cultural prejudice on display here is pretty terrifying.

@ Des Demona. I read the Samira Shackle article you provided a link to. I think your mistaking the "caste" system with "clan" System. Two very very different things which really illustrates that your grasp of the english language is pretty dismal and your understanding of all things islamic is even worse.

"Yes the victims of these animals were predmoniantly white- BUT what the media and people who only see thing as "brown or white" keep on missing out is the fact they also targeted Bangladeshi girls who are MUSLIMs"

Give me links. Evidence. Proof. You are providing nothing but baseless statements. I want news stories that prove you correct.

"so stop your racists non-sense. anyone with brain larger then a pee will realise its nothing to do with race, creed or culture."

MY racist nonsense? LOL! It's these Muslim rapists who bring race into it, when assaulting their white victims, they refer to them as 'white kuffar bitch', 'white slut' etc etc. In fact, I have not ONCE brought race into it. I did however say these MUSLIM men are praying on NON-Muslim girls, because Islam teaches that non-Muslim females are worthless.

"PS there has been many cases of white men abusing non-whites inlcuding pakistani women- the only difference is its never reported...i wonder why?"

If the media never reported on them, how do you know about them? LOL! Lying little turd.

""Some White" People love jumping on the band-wagon of bashing "others" and in this decade its seems to be the turn of Muslims and now Pakistanis in paticular."

LOL! The reason why it's white people who talk about the disgusting behaviour of Muslims is because we're in BRITAIN - you know, Britain, an historically white country? I just LOVE the double-standards of Muslims. Apply the same scenario, but change the roles (white Christian men grooming & raping Pakistani Muslim girls IN Pakistan) and how do you think the Muslim population in Pakistan would react? EH? I can assure you there'd be no political correctness holding back the Pakistani media from reporting on it. ALL white people in Pakistan would be targets. Their lives would be at great risk. You KNOW this. ALL Muslims know this, but they're too busy pointing the finger at us white British infidels, not realising what the opposite scenario would be.

Carry on talking your nonsense. I very much enjoy shoving it back down your throat. Hehe. :-D

As expected, Kasser completely ignores my responses to him. How typical of his ilk.

Cultural? No! Islamic doctrine? YES!! Let us compare REAL MUSLIMS with REAL CHRISTIANS.
Christians, if they are REAL Christians, follow the teachings of Christ. Muslims, if they are REAL Muslims, follow the Qu'ran, and the commands of Allah's messenger, Mohammed.

Jesus preached love and peace. REAL Christians try to emulate Christ. Mohammed, "prophet" of Islam, subjugated, raped, tortured, looted, burned, massacred, enslaved, invaded and beheaded.. Mohammed was a murderer and also a paedophile AND necrophiliac. It is all in the Qu'ran and hadith. MOST Muslims know this, but they hide it from the unbelievers until it is too late (lying to spread Islam is allowable and is called al taquiyya). That is how they conquer entire civilisations.. they lie..

By the way, a mosque is a vanguard.. a sign of victory in conquered lands, and they are conquering The West piece by piece.. and, in the light of the Jihadist Martyrs which The West incorrectly calls "Suicide bombers". VIOLENT jihad is a DUTY for Muslims, not an abherration of Islamic teaching. Oh, and to "Heather", Aisha played with dolls AFTER she was bedded by Mohammed. Islam only allowed the ownership of dolls to a girl who was not yet menstruating! Mohammed "The Perfect Man" married Aisha when she was 6 and had full sex with her when she was 9 years age. Read the hadith!! Oh, and to find out what he did to his young bride between the ages of 6 and 9, check out Mufa' Khathat or the sacred Islamic practice of "thighing" little girls: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/mufa-khathat-cleaning-mess-up.html The hadith is Bukhari; narrators are Sulaiman bin Yasar, Aisha herself and Amr bin Maimun. Mohammed set the precedent.. and his FAVOURITE slave, by the way, was a fair-skinned Coptic (Egyptian) Christian called Mariah..

To all who say Yasmin A-B is an idiot: I concur.

Compare what Mehdi is doing re Islam in this case, with what Palin has today done re right-wing rhetoric.

Same disingenuous distancing going on - wasn;t us, guv.

Though, of course, Palin, not Mehdi, is the religious extremeist (Mehdi just apologises for them sometimes).

Mehdi, you said on The Big Questions " surely the debate ahould be about Why are there 13 year old girls on street corners?,Where are the Parents?, Where were Social Services?" Are you saying Blame the Girl`s or Blame the Parents?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00xhgkl/The_Big_Questions_Series_4...

You could only get away with this piece here, Mr. Hasan. Outside the rarified atmosphere of Lefty Blathero-sphere, everyone else knows it's true.

Malak ul-Yameen, or 'right hand possession', is the Islamic basis for this appalling crime - and the reason that it is practised by ONLY Muslim men.

Of course this is not to say that other forms of trafficking are not carried out by men of other Religions - of course they are - but talk to people in Islamised working class towns of Britain (not that NS readers ever do); and you will soon discover this particular crime is a Muslim only phenomenon.

And you know it.

Mehdi

Typically you try and brush off all the criticism to your whitewashing of the problem as Islamophobic. You could have got away with this a few years ago but more and more people are now educating themselves about what Islam actually is and what the Quran and the Hadiths promulgate. Unfortunately the media is still peddling the same old myths about Islam being a peaceful religion.

Heather Pemberton

Nice try. The Hadiths of Bukhari which are classed as Salih or reliable or authentic. So that disposes of that argument. You also state that we should not compare the practices of Mohammed's time to now. As with your point about Aisha you again have no clue about what you are writing about. Mohammed is a man that each Muslim man does his best to emulate, many going as far as to copy his manner of walking or talking. It is only a small step for them to want to emulate his sexual activities.

Author writes: "Don't they know that young girls are sold into sexual slavery in Pakistan, too, where they all happen to be Muslims, as do the perpetrators of this heinous crime?"

hasan clearly states this type of activity is a common event in muslim pakistan. The only difference is that in England they can enslave the kāfir women. Nice real nice!

Judge I rest my case. Thanks Hasan!!

@James right on, as does this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360920/Man-raped-year-old-girl-...

@David Smith

Many of your statements I cannot deny, yes you are correct in some of your “cut and paste” Islamic rulings. I was pointing out to your deluded rant about Muslims being in the majority in 50 years time.

Lets go by approx figures in the last census in 2001. Muslims equated to about 3% of the UK population, at around 1.5m. Lets say the Muslim population grows at a rate of 10% each year, year on year, you are looking at a Muslim population in 50 years time in excess of what the general predictions for normal population growth will be.

The Christian population equalled to 72% at around 42m in 2001.

The net birthrate in the UK is nowhere near 10%. So, All other groups will have to stop populating, and the Muslims will have to give it hell for leather to match your predictions.

Maybe I am deluded. Who knows. But if you can put forward a daft population growth argument then I can put up daft responses.

@ Sean 14.05 – Thank you. No one seems to be getting what you are saying. That is sad.

@ Des Demona – 14.24 – Stop airbrushing out the Bangladeshi victims, or are they not victims cause they were brown skinned and Muslim? So no, it is nota red herring. I wonder how your red herring comment would go down with one of those dark skinned victims.

The fact is these gangs are criminals. They want to make money. They will make money from selling drugs to their grans if they could. They are defunct of a moral soul. Sadly, their victims in this case, the majority of them were white. It could easily have been a different shade of victim.

@ Mustafa

I have read it. I found it to be violent, racist, women-hating and paedophile. I think it should be made a criminal offence to have it in one's possession rather like possessing heroin. Moslems should edit the objectionable passages out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347335/Asian-sex-gang-Toni-Mari... has this got to do with my religion medhi hassan asks??

''How on earth is my religion to blame for Asian gangs and sex abuse?'' you ask?

Well... there are possibly such factors as the way that western values including sexualfreedom is denigrated in a large number of Mosques, painting western women as inferior to Muslim? Possibly also the double edged sword of preaching sexual abstinance before marriage to a muslim girl, leaving the 'easy' western girls as fair game? Possibly the general denigration of western values in general leaving some muslims to feel they can do what they like against western values?
Religion of any description is a cancer and should be cut out of society. Islam is one of the worst.

Still no word from you Mehdi on the bombing of Christian Churches in Nigeria and Egypt?
How about a campaign for religious tolerance in Saudi Arabia and allow a church or synagogue to be built there.
Rather than constantly bleating about the intolerance towards Islam how about thinking just how intolerant Islam is to everything else and doing something about it?

Great Article by Melanie Philips who talks facts and speaks the truth.

Unfortunatley the left and Islamists like Medhi cant handle talking about facts and scream racisim, islamaphobia whenever anyone provides a true insight into Islam.

When Medhi starts to apologies for the actions of Muslims gangs and then says -

"While Jewish murderers have been jailed..." or "While Hindu bankrobbers have been jailed..."

The fact of the matter is it is Islam as Philips points out that gives them the view that we are all Infidels and so second class and destined to hell.

@ Pysfeesh

Who's airbrushing? I was addressing the point that Sean raised re skin colour. The fact that a small number of Bangledeshi girs have been attacked ( though I can't find a report of this in this case) is horrible but a red herring.Please address the point of my post which was that there were no pakistani victims? It is well known that the de facto caste system in Islam heirarchy looks down on those of Bangledeshi origin. So it all part of the same problem. An islamofacism that denigrates the rights and humanity of others, reducing them to 'cattle' as even Mehdi calls us Kaffirs.
That gang - and others very much like them if you took the trouble to look - were brought up in a religion that believes everyone else is a second class citizen - including some within their own religion seeing as how they are continually blowing each other up as well.

TheReligionofPeace.com
The Guide to Understanding Islam

Question: Why are rape victims punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?

Summary Answer: Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.
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Still want to know what religion has to do with this, Mehdi?

People in glass houses comes to mind...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/916179.stm

"...i guess you did not ask him then? Obcourse you didnt as he will just prove how pathetic you are."

The reason why Asian females will be victims of these Muslim pedo gangs is because Asians can be of Hindu & Sikh background too. This is MUSLIMS grooming & raping NON-Muslim girls. There IS a racial element (white victims have reported being called 'white slut, white whore, white kuffar bitch' etc etc, but the driving force behind these attacks is the fact these girls are NON-Muslim.

"...at least you finally agree its not just white girls being abused. you blinkers are slowly opening."

In my FIRST post on this thread I stated VERY CLEARLY that Hindu & Sikh girls are also victims. Obviously you overlooked that. My eyes are WIDE open, and have been from the offset. Yours, not so much.

"it looks like you are just as narrow minded as them. you just proved me point. Thanks."

I didn't prove your point. I am intolerant towards Islam because Islam is intolerant towards ME. Remember, we are in Britain. Britain is NOT a Muslim country. I have EVERY RIGHT to hold such opinions of Islam, because when I look at the Muslim world, and the Muslim community in Britain, I see nothing BUT intolerance. A growth of Islam in Britain does not benefit non-Muslim Britons in any way whatsoever.

I'll expect another worthless, gutless reply along the lines of 'oh you're just an Islamophobe, you're so racist, you're just narrowminded blah blah blah... etc etc...'

:-)

There seems to be a lot of people seething with hatred here. It seems unhealthy. Do you have email alerts informing you whenever there is a blog or article about Islam or Muslims? Because you seem to come out of the woodwork quite consistently to regurgitate a fair bit of rubbish on the subject. You know bits and pieces and pose as all-knowing scholars, but in reality you don't know much at all, which is quite obvious from what you write. Sometimes it's better to just pass by such ignorance with dignity, and leave others to their rage. Some of you seem very bitter and full of hatred, but I think you actually love Islam, which is why you always want to talk about it. Anyhow, good luck to you.

"...I do not worship what you worship
Nor do you worship what I worship;
I shall never worship what you worship;
Neither will you worship what I worship;
To you your religion, and me to my religion." (Qur'an, Chapter 109)

Live and let live.
Have a nice day. With peace.

@PysFeesh - It's not about the 'net birhrate', it's about the Muslim birthrate. Unfortunately there are no recent figures of what the size of the Muslim population is. But then those figures shouldn't be taken as proof, as the government is hell bent on making Britain a Muslim country. The Muslim population of Britain was 1.5 million in 2001. It is now well over 3 million. Therefore the British Muslim population more than doubled in less than 10 years. This is not just about birthrates, but also immigration too. At this rate, in 10 years time, the Muslim population will have more than doubled again. And so on, and so forth. I'm hardly alone when it comes to predicting Muslims will become the majority in a few decades time (infact all it would take would be Muslims of voting age to become the majority for Britain to be a Muslim country, as they would then have the most political power). I am taunted BY Muslims all the time about how Britain will one day have a Muslim majority.

What the hell does it matter if I know any Muslims or not? It's completely & utterly irrelevant. I have worked with a few, and got on fine with them. I had a couple as casual friends when I went to college (Epping Forest). That still doesn't change my mind that a growth of Islam in the UK DOES NOT benefit Britain in any way whatsoever. I am not one of these drones who thinks Islam is just another religion, like Buddhism or Sikhism. I believe the more Islam grows in Britain, the less freedom there will be, not just for non-Muslims, but for Muslims too (have a look at the discrimination the Ahmadiyya community has to put up with for example). It makes sense to believe that, when you look at what non-Muslims have to put up with across most of the Muslim world.

BBC reports: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6153994.stm

The lower house of the parliament voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday to amend the controversial Sharia law that dates back to 1979.

Until now, rape cases were dealt with in Sharia courts. Victims had to have four male witnesses to the crime - if not, they faced prosecution for adultery.
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So, all the Pakistani men that moved here between 1979 and 2006 presumably think it is entirely legal to rape women unless they are doing it in front of four other men who are themselves not rapists.

who is causing all this hatred??..12 year old white girls getting raped and abused by muslim men,just be thankfull the white community are so tolerant and not out rioting on the streets over this outrage..but the question is,, how much more can we take of this..

Kasser
Face it; your religion is ethically reprehensible and morally indefensible by any civilized standard. More and more—we in the West are beginning to “get it”.