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Melanie Phillips's latest outburst against Islam and Muslims is opportunistic and goes beyond the pale.
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Mehdi is not Pakistani.. descent..He is Bengali
In the midst of these knee-jerk reactions it would be useful to revisit the above article: while everyone is in agreement that these are appalling crimes, the statistics Mehdi quotes have been conveniently ignored by many of those commenting. The salient points are that the Lancashire police statistics show 0.3% of the people arrested for sexual offences were Pakistanis, and "the chances of being arrested for a sex crime are nine times greater if you're white than Pakistani". So, blame for sexual offences can hardly be laid primarily at the door of one ethnic or cultural group.
Secondly, religion cannot be said to have been a factor in that the men involved were obviously hardly leading an Islamic lifestyle, and surely factors such as social deprivation were more relevant in their turning to gang culture. They opportunistically selected vulnerable young girls to prey upon, rather than deliberately targeting white - and by implication non-Muslim - girls (despite some comments here to the contrary); this can be seen from the fact that their victims included Bangladeshi Muslim girls.
I think most of us can agree that Phillips is vile example of humanity, who wouldn't know facts or the truth if she fell over them, and takes every opportunity to take a dig at anyone who doesn't share her religious delusions. However Hasan's performance on The Big Questions, followed by this apologetic drivel show him to be nothing more than the opposite side of the same coin.
she is abhorrent, beyond credible and downright racist.
She takes her lead in invective from theloony right wing vitriol of the US "let's shoot em up" nutters
Guilty -take her down
Jack usa I know you guys love food in America but can you try n not relate everything to pork fat?
This has become a farce. EDL and BNP camping out here in NS Blog pages, bit disorienting...
"Islam the religion of peace??
I don't know why you have those question marks, but this site is definitely a good one. The interpretation of Islam here is quite a bit liberal. The founder of this movement, Ghulam Ahmed Parvez apparently disowned the hadith and disowned the mullahs. Good for him!
If he were here in Britain today, he would probably be condemning the sex gangs and disowning all the attitudes they represent. So, yeah, thanks for pointing it out!
@Kasser - I'm not just talking about 'laws' in the Muslim world. I'm talking about the basic attitude towards apostates amongst even so-called 'moderate' Muslims. And no, this is not the case with all people of a "religious leaning". Christians do not practice this fascism. Nor do Buddhists.
And you're also very wrong when you say "only one country has laws against conversion". Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Libya, Muslim Nigeria, Pakistan... so that's quite clearly a lot more than "only one". And that's the LAW. Egypt also REFUSES to recognise conversions FROM Islam TO Christianity. Yet all the while Muslims say non-Muslims are viewed as "equal", and Islam is nothing but a "religion of peace"... despite the fact non-Muslims cannot even enter Mecca & Medina simply because they're not Muslim, as these cities are meant to be kept "pure".
And on another subject which is close to this issue (apostasy) - marriage. Why is it Muslim males are allowed to marry non-Muslim females, but Muslim females are not allowed to marry non-Muslim males? Equality for women? LOL!
In fact, Mr. Kasser, it is YOU who does not know what you're talking about. Although I suspect you know damn well what the truth is, and you're simply attempting to cover it up (taqiyya). But failing miserably.
Couldn't be that they were just following the example of your "Perfect Man," could it, Mehdi?
I mean - capturing girls, making sex-slaves of them, swapping them with his mates was something Mohammad was no stranger to, was it?
According to the Hadith it appears that this was just a perk of the job.
Or are you going to claim that these ancient Muslim stories are "unauthentic" like all the other Islamic texts that inconveniently show the "Perfect Man" in a bad light?
So instead of explaining what Islam has to offer Britain, all you can do is say 'EDL/BNP have hijacked the thread blah blah blah'...
STILL waiting for someone (ANYONE)to explain what Islam has to offer Britain.
The silence speaks volumes. It really does... :-D
@Kasser - These Muslim pedophiles gave their victims Qurans to read, and told them to convert... yet you say religion had nothing to do with it. Islam quite clearly had something to do with it. It was what instilled the hatred they have for not only women, but non-Muslim women, with particular focus on Western women. The truth is out, Kasser. Even the PC media is reporting on it now, after covering it up for the past two decades, they realise they have no choice but to report the TRUTH now.
Just like the loony left are blaming Arizona on Palin I suppose.
"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"
Obama June 2008.
a..everybody upset about this outrage,,but can you as a muslim educate me on this point,,what punishment would these child abusers get if they commited this crime and was convicted by a sharia court in a muslim country....
Do you understand the history or the definition or the coinage of the phrase “islamophobia”? Perhaps you do or maybe you do not. Either way it is a recent concoction with design and purpose and herein lays that particular design and purpose:
The neologism "Islamophobia" did not simply emerge ex nihilo. It was invented, deliberately, by a Muslim Brotherhood front organization, the International Institute for Islamic Thought, which is based in Northern Virginia....Abdur-Rahman Muhammad, a former member of the IIIT who has renounced the group in disgust, was an eyewitness to the creation of the word. "This loathsome term," he writes, "is nothing more than a thought-terminating cliche conceived in the bowels of Muslim think tanks for the purpose of beating down critics."
Muhammad describes the strategy behind the word's invention: In an effort to silence critics of political Islam, advocates needed to come up with terminology that would enable them to portray themselves as victims. Muhammad said he was present when his then-allies, meeting at the offices of the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT) in Northern Virginia years ago, coined the term "Islamophobia."
Muhammad said the Islamists decided to emulate the homosexual activists who used the term "homophobia" to silence critics. He said the group meeting at IIIT saw "Islamophobia" as a way to "beat up their critics."
Now French political philosopher Pascal Bruckner has entered the debate over the usefulness of "Islamophobia," commenting in Sign and Sight:
At the end of the 1970s, Iranian fundamentalists invented the term "Islamophobia" formed in analogy to "xenophobia". The aim of this word was to declare Islam inviolate. Whoever crosses this border is deemed a racist. This term, which is worthy of totalitarian propaganda, is deliberately unspecific about whether it refers to a religion, a belief system or its faithful adherents around the world.
But confession has no more in common with race than it has with secular ideology. Muslims, like Christians, come from the Arab world, Africa, Asia and Europe, just as Marxists, liberals and anarchists come or came from all over. In a democracy, no one is obliged to like religion, and until proved otherwise, they have the right to regard it as retrograde and deceptive. Whether you find it legitimate or absurd that some people regard Islam with suspicion - as they once did Catholicism - and reject its aggressive proselytism and claim to total truth - this has nothing to do with racism.
Do we talk about 'liberalophobia' or 'socialistophobia' if someone speaks out against the distribution of wealth or market domination?
I wonder why fair-minded people do not see this obvious point--that Islam is a worldview, which makes a long list of very demanding truth-claims about objective reality, claims absolute supremacy over the faculty of human reason, insists that it "corrects" the "falsified" scriptures both of Judaism and Christianity, and most importantly, contains within its teachings and traditions the proper legal and political arrangements for the governance of the entire human race. It is a totalizing system, as comprehensive as Marxist-Leninism ever was, with aspirations as universal as Leon Trotsky's were when he agitated for a worldwide Communist revolution. Islam is militant and aggressive, as the anarchist movement was in the late 19th century, serving as the motive force for uncountable acts of violence against civilians. It is massively well-funded, with subsidies flowing to hard-line mosques around the world, as money flowed from Mussolini and Hitler to fund Oswald Mosley's fascist movement in Britain. In every sense of the word, Islam is an ideology--a "secondary reality," to use Eric Voegelin's term, which provides its self-conscious adherents with a political and social plan of action. Having established this, we can turn and ask our critics: Does being black do that? Do Asians have a totalitarian political system hard-wired into their psyches? Does Jewish descent bring with it a universal aspiration to impose a single system of thought across the world? Only bigots would think so. But all these things are true of Islam--which makes it fair game for rational criticism.
@Mark: The truth or not that Pakistani men do just that is not the subject of the article (tho' Hassan hints unsutbly that he disagrees with the racial/cultural argument too)--it's the conflation of culture and religion that offends both him (and quite rightly so).
Did I come across as being arrogant? Oh well blame the internet for that.
Now, perhaps you can look at the detail rather than the hype.
Jack Straw, a respected politician (if there is such a thing} and former home secretary with multicultural credentials coming out the wahoo has the balls to stand up and say there is a problem. If you took the trouble to look at the convictions of gangs of sex offenders in the last few years they were of Pakistani origin. Jack Straw lives and works in those areas.
If you want to extrapolate statistics then why are 50 out of 56 of the rtecent gangs of Pakistani origin and 90% of the victims are non-Muslim?
@ Russ from Kentucky
You are missing the the fundamental point or choosing to ignore it.
Islam is being attacked from pillar to post from all angles. This is the same as when Judaism was attacked in the Second World War by the Nazis.
Alot of these posters would have had sympathies with the Nazi party. What a sad day this is...my dear grandfather will be turning in his grave.
@Des Demona (EnragedBrit)
Well it's great you don't want to stifle debate. You need to be careful then, some people might get the wrong impression. Because you have now spent a fair bit of time moaning about the fact that a British Muslim has chosen to SOMETIMES comment on Muslims/Islam. But there we go.
If Islam is being attacked so badly, why do Muslims continue to migrate to Britain? History shows that whenever a group of people of a certain race/ethnicity/religion is discriminated against, they FLEE. More of that same group don't continue to migrate to the area/country they're being 'discriminated' in. So that destroys any argument you have, Bernard Harris.
And please do some research into how Muslims treat non-Muslims all across the Muslim world. It puts so-called 'Islamophobia' into perspective. And also, learn what a 'phobia' is. There's nothing 'irrational' about fearing Islam.
Islam makes very large claims for itself. It states to be the last and the final word of god (Revelation)."Islam is the solution" is a very popular slogan doing rounds with the offshoots of Muslim Brotherhood. They say Islam is the TOTAL solution, it takes care of everything, Banking, Political Economy, Human Relations, Sex, Treatment of Women, Law, and everything, its a total and complete solution for all human problems, and sooner it is imposed on every human the better it will be for mankind. Now, what is so creepy about the term "TOTAL", its the first five letters of the cynical term TOTALITARIAN!
When islam and its apologist like Mehndi, accept such ridiculous and sinister claims of islam, they should also accept the fact, that filthy stuffs like that are bound to lead into mockery and ridicule. Mehndi cannot be under the impression that Islam is immune to criticism (We know that he's a devote believer), but to reciprocate English society by antagonizing and smearing, a very strong and legitimate fear of islam. Britain, which is well adored for its tolerance, multi-culture and generosity especially towards muslim communities and nations all over the world, suddenly seems to be snapped under its own web, that it created in the 60's and the 70's.
Let us assume for a time being, that what Warsi and Mehndi do lecture us about, as evenly right. And Islamophobia is growing in English society at a alarming rate. But, Mehndi must stress the fact why that is? And there two important observation, on the irrational or rational fear of islam.
a) Islam like many other religions has a unique blend of supremacist ingredients and apolitical instincts within its facets. Islamic organizations in Britain and most parts of western europe have demanded separate schools for boys and girls, segregation of men and women in community halls and swimming pools. They are also accused of honor Killings (abuse) and torture of muslim women and forcible covering of the hair and face. And any form of interference by civil right groups and media, to bring these absurd practices into light have resulted many so called 'Moderate' muslims to phrase it as 'ISLAMOPHOBIC' on the part of European society. Its important to clarify the definition of Mehndi, in his own terms, cause, if at all an Englishmen, find Niqab(face covering) of a 16 year old female child, as uncivilized and harsh ritual, then whether that leads to mehndi's definition?
b) Irrational or legitimate fear of Islam, ironically, is not just brush-aside with the White or Non-Muslim British civilians, but it rather rising among Liberal Progressive muslims (Especially Indian) in the British society, which Mehndi does not take into account. The liberal Muslims who do not concede to the 'particularisms' and 'myths' about islamic teachings, who like to eat and drink freely, who do not dictate their women on veiling or working, and who are least concerned about the islamic cause of 'Holy Jihad' and 'Holy Dawah', around the world, are deeply concerned and horrified at the site of exploding Islamic fanaticism and radicalization of youths in the British society. The kind of Islamicness, was never prevalent or heard in the good old days of Liberalism and Cold War!
Mehndi Hassan, is a preposterous figure in the British Left Media. Who for instance, condemns Atheists as sub-humans or not complete human beings, and should face Allah’s wrath. Well, Atheists are least effected by that babyish remark. moreover, Mehndi does think Iran is a free democratic state and Women are emancipated to a high level (Afterall, According to his understanding). He hasn’t yet tagged, Paksitan (the few Islamic Democracies in the world) as a rogue state and a terror hub, instead has accused US drone strikes in Terror camps in Pak's tribal areas and also alleged India to be a barrier for Paks progress. Well let’s see, where this monster (with a innocent face) will lead this fight into. Mehndi should be fearing about minorities and their rights in Muslim majority countries, like Egypt and Pakistan, where they are persecuted on regular basis, and not once in his columns does he mention a word of the barbaric blasphemy law, which plays as a tool in the hands of fundamentalist jihadists in pak to terrorize civil society. Mehndi should be ashamed of himself, as a political editor of such an honorable Journal.
Mark-"How come I never see white men chasing little girls?"
Well you obivously have not read the news today- Colin Blanchard- a white man and his "white paedophile ring" busted.
Let go of the racist bigotary please.
I dont see Jack Straw making comments anhout how white men find children as "easy meat" or maybe its because white women are "off limits for them"- hang on "white women" are also at it.
See how racist and sick this argument is when turned around. criminals are criminals regardless of race, colour or creed, every community has its fair share of bad apples. Its a shame our politicians are fueling fascism in our country.
PS It was a muslim man, Noman Ahmed- who helped bust the Colin Blanchard ring- Food for thought
im shocked people claim islam as the reason for the acts of PEOPLE. yet i wonder how many of you have read the book!
someone commented on muslims committing the worst crimes known to man...wow were hitler, pinoche, pot et al muslims! wow religion has nothing to do with the deluded behavioiurs of some men and women...look at facts and stop allowing your prejudices to blur facts!
I think you will find it is in the bible as I commented on above? Perhaps you haven't read the Bible> well obviously you haven't, which kinda negates your argument?
As for the Quran I belive it says that man was moulded from clay and black mud or some such similar nonsense.
@Mark, I think you've missed the point of this blog. Let's all start tarring everyone with the same brush, and see what the outcome would be: "all white men are paedophiles" "all white men are rapists" - doesn't sound right does it?
And I see different views in my 'area'. Which may I add, is populated by Asians and Whites. Now you're obviously going to assume that I too am Pakistani, just like you assumed Mehdi was. In fact I am white and not muslim. And Mehdi is of Hindu origin - in India.
Dillion- as soon as someone points out our shortcomings ("white man")- he becomes "backward" and "liberal". I think you will find it is only right wing fascists who come up wiith the "white victim" argument.
why are you still seperating the rest of the girls who were abused from the white ones? aren't they worth a mention.
why did do some pakisatani men find it easy to pick on white girls- becuase they are perverted, just like some white men are- they pick on vunerable members of our society.
Tomek of Warsaw / Poland
omg where did you get that fact?!?!?! seriously i would love to know where you get your FACTS from!!!!
Judaism, as far as I can discern never posed an ideological or militant threat to the Nazis. It seems to me they were more concerned with the aspect of day to day economic and coexistence within that particular society, not the establishment of sharia law or any law different from that of the society they lived and worked in. I cannot make any particular connection or draw the same conclusion you present. Consider this; if one were to construct an unflattering cartoon caricature of Moses I do not expect the Jewish population the world over to riot in the streets in protest and these protest resulting in the deaths of innocent people.
However, Voegelin noted in “The New Science of Politics” how ideologues manipulate discourse by "forbidding the questions" that might undermine their philosophical houses of cards. Nazis routinely dismissed scientific objections to their hodgepodge pseudo-Darwinism as examples of "Jewish thinking." Marxists evade critiques of Marx's dysfunctional economics by claiming that critics are caught up in a "bourgeois" mentality. Indeed, Marxists assert the different modes of logic obtain among the various social classes--making rational discourse between them completely impossible. What are the questions that today's appeasers of Islam forbid? Let me lay some out:
• What does Islamic theory and contemporary practice teach about freedom of religion and the equality of citizens, regardless of their religious status?
• How committed are Muslims to establishing sharia wherever they can? Where are the Muslim authorities willing to abandon sharia, or reform it?
• How is sharia compatible with the inalienable rights we treasure, and regard as due to every human being?
• Where are the Muslim societies that treat women as legal and moral equals?
Were any of the above practices of Judaism in Nazi Germany? I cannot seem to make the same connection or come to the same conclusion as you. I do not understand how any pragmatic or rational person can make that comparison.
The above are the questions Muslim apologists want to drown out, with the bleat of slogans and slurs they use in place of rational discourse. Just as the sheep in Orwell's “Animal Farm” were trained to bleat "Four legs good, two legs bad," Muslim apologists and appeasers will continue to use the rhetoric of victimhood to forbid questions and put us on the perpetual defensive. They will model their efforts on the hugely successful example of anti-anti-Communism, which for decades let Western leftists dismiss the atrocities of Stalin and of Mao. They will call us McCarthyites, xenophobes, bigots, and most of all Islamophobes. They will hide, as the Hollywood Ten and their defenders did, behind our most sacred beliefs and treasured freedoms. All we can do in response is to keep on asking our inconvenient questions.
dillon.....the answer unfortunately is that these men would be set free and the girls themselves would be punished, probably killed by their own families. The function of Islamic Law and courts is to uphold the patriarchal system and the notion of the virtuous Muslim male even if it meand sountless others lives being destroyed in the process.
the behaviour of these vile men should never be forgiven! personally i think they should never be allowed again! and the same goes for any man or woman that commits similar crimes! i dont believe the christian catholic priests or these men are following their religion therefore it is not an issue of religion...there is outrage at the acts but there is also outrage and the stereotyping of a billion plus people for the actions of a handful of people! by the way some of the poor girls were also muslim!
Reply to Mark above. The story is about the distortions of the media when reporting these crimes. Nowhere, and I have read it twice, does Mehdi Hasan defend the sexual exploitation of anyone. Please read it again, because I think you misunderstood what he wrote.
I'm in no position to be educating people. But my understanding is that in a country where the whole of sharia law is applied then punishment is stoned if ur married an 100 whips if not.
However I don't see why you knowing this (and I'm guessing you already knew it anyway) has anything to do with this case... explain?
that is the problem des des demona,left wing trolls like emma dont understand statistics,if 90% of the country is white, then the percentage of peadophiles will be white emma,but if 5% of the population is muslim and the percentage of paedophiles is higher than from the group they represent then that is a problem that the likes of emma and other left wing trolls try sweep under the carpet,but here is the crunch,,how many white paedophile sex rings are involved in openly street grooming young muslim girls,can any left wing troll answer that,,this crime being commited by these pakistani men is a racist crime and the evidence collated from the victims who have been called white trash and dogs by there abusers proves this beyond doubt..
ps do you know what the age of consent is in the vatican city? did you know when the age of consent in britain was set at 16? people etop believing what biggots tell you and actually learn about one anothers believes and cultures rather than assuming the looney biggot's words a fact!
Stacey - "Can you explain the Bangladeshi Muslim girls they also attacked? They don’t matter, It is only the non muslims according to you."
I have not seen ONE SHRED of evidence that shows Bangladeshi Muslim girls were also victims of these Muslim pedo gangs. And even if one gang did target Bangladeshi Muslim girls, that doesn't mean all the other Muslim pedo gangs didn't target non-Muslim girls for the fact they're non-Muslim. Your argument is illogical.
"You are only fooling yourself."
My eyes are wide open, and my opinion is shared by A LOT of others. You carry on living in your own little bubble, twiddling your thumbs, whilst Islam continues to grow around you. The end result won't be to your taste, I assure you.
@ Buckskins i have read the Quran and it does not say anything of the sorts...maybe you and i should swap copies. by the way where did you get your copy? bnp? nazi party? i heard they have a few piled up!
Yes, they do often highlight what religion people are from when commiting a crime, especially when its one that makes ones way of life different to the rest of society. Im over here from new zealand where there arent many pakastani people but from what i see here it is alot of the muslims causing trouble,but the media is too aftraid to pinpoint them because it makes them 'racist'.
No, it makes them tellers of the truth
relating to the quran verses that you have pointed out, i would like you to read the whole page or the chapter. In relation to the hadith that you have pointed out, i would like to make 1 point ermm islam prohibits such actions. where you may ask? read the whole chpaters that you have pointed out and the you will realise. heres a link to a site with the quran and the hadiths take a look. http://www.quranexplorer.com/Default.aspx
wow! start off with those quotes are from where? seriously i have anything of the sorts! these men who have strong religious identity will be the same men who probably cant name a single verse from the quran...religion plays no part in this...culture plays no part in this...these men, like the priests are just evil sick men! no religion no culture they are what they are...criminals!
There are good people, and there are bad people in society. No matter what their religion.
i love how people claim its the culture and the reliogion yet they say this from the outside! seriously you have no idea...out of my asian pakistani muslim friends families...i know for sure it is the women that wear the trousers! i would advice you to go and talk to some asian, pakistani, muslim men and women and find out the truth rather than assuming or believing something someone who has never met a asian, pakistani or muslim person!
The fact is that THESE men were deliberately preying on white girls. And when one looks at the statistics a disturbing picture emerges. Is your religion to blame? Not specifically. What to blame is your CULTURE. Or to be precise the culture of the country from which your parents came, a culture which many people from your ethnic background retain despite living in the UK. It is a culture in which women are either pure or whores...and whores are to be treated as a man sees fit, nothing but a vessel for a man's appetites. And white girls are all whores - after all, they don't wear hijab.
This culture is highly prevalent in Muslim majority countries. Is it Islam that results in it? Probably not in the sense that belief in Allah and the Prophet Muhammad's message doesn't cause this. But it exists and is part of the culture of certain countries. Its irrelevant if its an "islamic" problem or a pakistani problem.
The reality of this patriarchal culture needs to be confronted and your denial isn't helping. People of your background who aren't sexual predators need to get your own cultural house in order so to speak instead of this knee-jerk defence. Your constant knee-jerk defence empowers people who say there is no problem.
A strongly urge you to read Yasmin Alibhai-Brown's brave article.
And then maybe do the right thing for once instead of polemic and knee-jerk denial to play to the crowd.
I say all this as a man from a muslim background whose parents are form a country with a similar cultural problem.
olijaan i know you are sincere, so can i point one thing out,i was reading the courts reports about this case in derby and another one in blackburn involving these sex rings, and one thing i noticed was when these guys were up for sentencing they swapped there shaven heads and earrings for wearing muslim traditional dress and growing long beards,,to me that was the biggest insult to muslims and your religion by these guys pretending good upstanding muslims hoping they could fool the judge with this rouse,what they done there was try to abuse your religion with this pretence.
the medina charter states that jew and muslim shall be treated equally... did you miss that bit?
I normally have a lot of time for you, but your appearance on 'The big question' troubled me.
You questioned why girls of a certain age are out at night and whether their parents know where they are, hinting that it may be the fault of the parents or the girl, that they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, when a sexual predator is on the prowl. I'm afraid this is very insulting and very naive. I don't know if you have children or what age they are, but children of a certain age want to be out, with their friends, exploring the world, it's only natural, you must have done it, I did it. The female victim on the show did put you in your place regarding this and informed you that this grooming does not take place in back allies with little white sluts, these girls are at the cinema with their friends or bowling.
The girls who were interviewed said that these Pakistani men consider pakistani girls to be out of bounds.
There is definately a proportion of pakistani men who hate British culture and consider our women to be prostitutes because they have sexual freedom, unlike many of their pakistani counterparts, who are either castrated or oppressed and are never given the chance to experience sex.
Sex is a beautiful thing and is naturally explored by teenagers, but it is these perverted men who cynically infiltrate the young peoples' world and spoil it.
@ David Smith
wow lot of anger built up there! has the little rant helped? first of all ... murder by muslim, jew, hindu, sikh, christian and athiest (you might not like believe but people who claim to be of those followings to commit such crimes) is wrong! by default the actions of countries like saudi arabia, eygpt, pakistan, india, china, korea, france, switzerland...oooops sorry those last five are not muslim countries yet do discriminate against a minority...anyway back to the actions of these so called muslim countries...they are wrong..in islam every human being has the right to believe in whatever he or she wants! during the time of the islamic state, there was a treaty that gave full protection to people of all other faiths..99% of muslims will be shocked by the actions of some governments, just because you the media wont let them voice their concerns does not mean they dont reject these actions...by the way...99% muslims don't approve of the leaders in some of the islamic countries...interesting fact for you...guess who put some of those arab leaders in power...you'll never guess! i will give you a clue, a number of western countries
Ang - I agree with you that Mehdi's comment about the girl's behaviour was disturbing. It is the sort of chauvinistic attitude that has prevented women from reporting sex crimes to the authorities. The focus immediately shifts to the female's behaviour. Also, Mehdi you didn't seem to understand the point that the female victims were under-age. It doesn't matter what they were wearing, where they were etc. The sooner Asian public figureheads like yourself start acknowledging that our ethnic group does have deficiencies the sooner the problems can be solved. The Asian community still doesn't like to admit that we do suffer from mental health problems. Are you going to defend that too?
@ Cicero do you know what the kufr means?
The muslim religion is pertinent to these gangs for several reasons.
1)They are overwhelmingly muslim - fact
2) Police and social services were extremely cautious about offending muslim sensibilities by properly investigating this widespread phenomenon.
3) The evidence given in court describes dozens of racist comments made to the child victims. All the insults were muslim terms - "kaffur slut" , etc.
4) Racist attitudes are endemic among young muslims - these men in particular. Most muslim families bring their children up in a parallel society that is disengaged and isolated from British society. They are encouraged by their community, family, peer group to despise Western culture. The muslim extended diaspora in Britain has made little or no attempt to integrate into British society.
A breeding ground for some to develop a warped and distorted vision of themselves, their religion and how they should relate to and interact with non-muslims.
Removal of all public funding from muslim organisations.
Any activity a muslim might want to engage is available in British society.
Abandonment of all muslim schools and educational institutions.
People should be educated together.
Banning all islamic dress in public buildings.
It is divisive and political in nature - with no basis even in religious observance.
Immediate redrafting of race relations legislation.
Removal of racially motivated offences from the statute books - they are a nonsense and protect no one.
Allow businesses to actively discriminate against anyone who insists on wearing islamic style dress.
Ban burka/hijab wearing women from driving - they have no peripheral vision and are a danger.
Clear labelling of Halal meat at all times and in all locations.
Introduce planning legislation to limit the number of shops, and services for muslims located in one area.
11 January 2011 at 16:24
I never cease to be amazed at the wriggling and lies that Muslims will engage in to deny what is in their own religious traditions!
Anything in their own traditions that show just what sort of man their far from perfect "Holy Man" really was, is now fabricated!unauthentic! or forgeries!"
But even then, there's still the
Koran 4:24 - "And all married women are forbidden unto you save those (captives)whom your right hands possess."
Did you read the link I posted earlier? Here it is again: http://quranicteachings.co.uk/ma-malakat.htm
The above quoted verse is explained. There is nothing in the quran that says having a sex slave is allowed. So your charge against the quran is false. The hadith are fabrications. Fabrications in hadith are even admitted by those muslims who follow them. It is interesting that once your misinformed ideas are made known to you, you insist that they must be right. That makes you a bigot. It's quite useful to have an 'enemy' to provide the means to froth at the mouth with bile, such as you've shown.
Lol, please don't comment if you're younger than 12...
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.