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Melanie Phillips's latest outburst against Islam and Muslims is opportunistic and goes beyond the pale.
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Sean. You say "My point is men and women (as in the case of Colin Blanchard and his "white" grang) of all colours and creed carry out child abuse."
Well, can you actually point out where I, or anybody else, has denied that that was true?
What I am pointing out (and when it comes to you, I might as well bang my head against the wall)is that these Muslim scumbags are programmed by their Islamic upbringing to regard kuffar white women as inferior and available. The Koran, as I have already shown, allows Muslims to take captives and have sex with them. Mohammad himself did it and, after all, they are encouraged to follow in his footsteps.
They passed these girls round to friends and family, for pity's sake - and nobody saw anything wrong with it, nobody called the cops and if they mentioned it at the mosque, we know damned well that no devout Imam would have betrayed a Muslim to the infidels.
Why's that? Because the Koran tells them not to, of course.
yo lizen wassup bro's. im tell u now u iz all racist u get me? blad on ere dont no wot dey chatin bwt and da. we dnt rape no1. ur da dirty rapeboys. get of da net n do sumat bwt it init. peace.
I think Des demona and EnragedBrit are the same person. Eitherway, you seem a bit obsessed.
There are some strange people stalking these message boards.
Once again, Mehdi is wrong.
If you take a look at immigration into the UK and in particular the problem that Muslims are, I would say you are very close to losing control of your country. Should Turkey become a member of the EU then it’s all over. I would also conclude the difference between your Indian/Brits and the Muslims is a splendid illustration of the effects on a country due to Islam.
Maybe it's because you think they are all Kuffirs like you called them on that youtube video, either that or they are taking after your prophet and shagging underage girls.
Why the hate against Mehdi? He is the only one speaking the truth on these matters. I was walking down the street today and saw a beautiful, blonde, white woman who I knew. I started talking to her and everyone around me was looking at me as if I was one of these rapists! Eventually, we had to walk away because of all the dirty looks. Straw's inappropriate comments will create disharmony in the community.
Yet another absurd statement, again your going off topic... but I guess that is the general strategy, is it not?
Sean - If you can prove some religious or racist element in the cases you mention,then do so. If not, then it has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Were they targetting non-whites? Non-Christians? No,they weren't, so you are just indulging in whataboutery.
Of course the vast majority of perverts are white. That goes without saying when the vast majority of people are still white.
What we are talking about is men and youths of one particular religion (Islam)singling out women from other ethnic groups/cultures and raping them.
This is happening all over Europe,Australia, USA - in fact anywhere there are large numbers of Muslims and a convenient kuffar group for them to prey upon. The Copts in Egypt, for example, have had to put up with this for many, many years.
Mehdi is not denying that this is going on - he is denying that Islam has anything to do with it. In my opinion it quite obvious that it has plenty to do with it.
BTW - Just heard on local radio that five men have just been arrested in Rochdale for the very same thing.Bet you at least one of them's called Mohammad!
Poor woman, just the wroing place at the wrong time or are white women looked on as legitimate targets by some sections?
EnragedBrit-who is talking about Autrailia!- we live in Britain- where 95% of sex offenders in prison are white men.
its seems to be ok when whites commit a crime- but a soon as a black, asia, muslim, jew commits a crime it becomes a phenomna.
I would like to hear more white people speaking out against white perverts as it seems to be a "cultural thing" as Jack Straw was alluding about pakistanis.
why is there no mention that this men in news are white and christian or atheist- i dont hear headlines saying "white pervert Colin Blanchard busted by police, thanks to a muslim man, Noman Ahmed"
sex offenders are in every society- it nothing to do with race. but you seem to be insistant on proving your fascist point.
I am sure the same is true if you look at stats in Austrailia.
Smell the coffee!
These girls are "expendable" in order tht left loons from the NS can remain drunk on the concept of multicultualism. The crimes of the sex predators are now considered less than the comments of Jack straw or Melanie Phillips. Mentionng race and culture to the left is worse than any terror attck or sex crime.
Strange how the Muslim community have not spotted the fact that hundreds of their men folk are involved in these foul acts. I thought they were tight nit or is it that Kuffar girls dont matter.
Go to hell left deniers
children are not expendable so you can feel enriched.
EDL demo Luton
see ya there
People people just answer one thing.....if we go right back to the beginning...Once adam and eve were created how did the human race begin???
If you want the answer look it up in the quran and hadith...coz it aint in the bible!
And please everyone should actually read the text from these Holy books whether its the Quran, Hadits or Bible....instead of 'googling' for stuff to right on this.
@ David Smith
Very well said David, of course you'll be accused of being an Islamaphobe for speaking the truth.
LOL didn't realise it would cause this much outrage. I was just trying to stir up trouble!
Just to clarify, didn't post any videos.
On foreign holidays, Christians in Spain or Greece targeting English girls for rape; Swedes doing the same in Thailand; or US students on a summer break sex rampages have little to do with religion, nor do these 'kids' from up North - instead look towards moral fibre sapping over indulgences in drinks and drugs.
Just because you're born in a religion doesn't make you religious, its applicable only if you live the life.
My phone battery is finally about to end, so will use this as an opportune moment to end my posts by praying for you, David and others: hope whatever difficulties you are facing in your lives, that you will ultimately find peace, contentment and the truth.
PysFeesh - "LMAO!!!!!!!!!
I am sorry, but all of krap being spewed here, the above statement about the birthrate has got to be the best.
What a deluded statement.
And another - some fool actually agreed with you."
So "deluded", yet you didn't bother to outline exactly why I'm wrong? Ha ha ha ha... "deluded" you say? Yeah... sure... if that makes you feel any better.
Muslims have a birthrate 3x times higher than non-Muslims in Britain. Non-Muslim birthrate - 1.6
Muslim birthrate - 4.8
Therefore, after a couple of generations, Muslims & non-Muslims will have around the same number of grand children. Approaching the 50 year mark would mean (at these current birthrates) Muslims WOULD become the majority. Indeed it has already happened in many areas of Britain, with some cities set to follow.
The word of a Muslim can NEVER be taken seriously, because Muslims are mandated by their religion to lie in order to spread Islam (Taqiyya & Kitman). They are 'allowed' to lie when they feel they are under threat. Muslims in Europe feel under threat (hilarious!).
Go through my 2 posts above, and point out anything else I'm "deluded" about. Am I deluded about the fact apostates are threatened with their lives in Muslim communities/countries? Am I deluded about the fact non-Muslims are prohibited from entering the cities of Mecca & Medina simply because they're not Muslim? Am I deluded about the fact non-Muslims are treated like dirt across the Muslim world? Am I deluded about the fact it takes 2 women to equal 1 man in Islam? Am I deluded about the fact homosexuals have LITERALLY no human rights whatsoever in the Muslim world?
Come on... enlighten us... and don't just reply with a half-arse, 2-bit 'oh you're so deluded blah blah blah' response. If you're going to tell me I'm wrong, outline EXACTLY what I'm wrong about, and WHY. Is that too hard for you to do? Hmmmmmm?
Leaving aside some of the more inflamatory posts - there is obviously a problem here with regards to Pakistani men and grooming. Mehdi Hasan posed a question and if you sift through the posts, I think got a rational answer, including quotes from members of the Muslim community regarding the Muslim attitude to women, Muslim or non-Muslim. Obviously not the one he was looking for but he does bill himself as a 'polemic' journalist.
Personally I'm not going to get into debates about immigration or race. I do actually have a live and let live mentality as do most people. If you choose to believe in some diety or other (take your pick) that is up to you. But why not just shut the hell up and get on with it? The problem only arises when it blinkers you to the realities of life. Mehdi Hasan holds himself out to be the political editor of the NS but leaves no opportunity begging to shoehorn his religious beliefs into mainstream politics. That doesn't sit right with me. I don't care if he is a Muslim or a Jeddi Knight.
He posed the question - he opened the debate - and while there is no excuse for vitriol if the answers offend some people then it is is good that there is a forum as open as the NS for debate.
That is one of the major differences between this country and a religious or otherewise totalitarian regime.
@ John B
Ummmm no I'm not EnragedBrit?? Just someone who get's tired of Mehdi's consistant Islamaprop and thinks it ill-befits even a self-styled 'political editor of the NS' to be quite so biased in religious matters.
If you must believe in a religion that is your choice - to write about it in biased terms - which Mehdi constantly does - seems to me to make him a minority religious correspondent and perhaps he should title himself accordingly?
We live in the real world in a country where less than 3% of the poplation are Muslim, though you'd hardly believe it given the acres of coverage Mehdi gives the subject.
Keep going Sean. I'm right beside you brother. Tolerance of each other's difference(s) is what leads to acceptance.
the Judge persiding of this case said
"the race of the abusers and victims in coincidental"
I am sure the CPS would have brought any racial aggrevated evidence to light if it was the case.
you obviosuly discovered a stash of evidence that the judge and CPS were not aware of.
Emmm...that is strange.
I think most people know you and David are telling porkies to prove your point.
@EnragedBrit- those perverts who happen to be muslims also carried out these offences against bangladeshi girls- who are also muslim.
So no there is no "religous element" to these crimes. There was no metion of that anywhere my anyone...a bit convienient i would say!
It looks like white girls are more important then girls from other communities or ethnic groups. White Supremist ideaology in deeply engrained in our society!
Apster Hack – you ‘know’ ‘some’ will agree but ‘many’ won’t – you’re doing what you accuse me of, with the added bonus of polarising views into nonsense – of course nobody can speak for ‘all’ muslim women. How is pointing out misogynistic practices and their possible effects on some girls and women ‘incredibly patronising and insulting to ALL women.’ We are all in this world conditioned, to some degree, by our society, culture, religion.
‘strong white saviours’ ‘egos’ - perhaps some of us do posses liberal ‘do gooder’ attitudes – even if we do, it doesn’t mean that we are unable to open our minds or should not ‘speak up’ - perhaps you could investigate the cultural and religious prejudices we refer to yourself ? Perhaps you could entertain the idea that ‘many’ women around the world are desperate for emancipation, do want the inalienable human rights they are entitled to.
Perhaps spend a bit of time looking at the work of organisations like RAWA ?
For too long, and probably out of a feeling that they are innately superior to ethnic minorities and must therefore make allowances and excuses for them, the liberal left has allowed the culture and law of my country to be trampled on.
If you come here to live here then you respect my culture and my laws or my country will become as your, a place only fit to leave!
Any inhumane behaviour or suffering that's inflicted upon another human being, is inhumane behaviour and suffering that's inflicted upon me; for I am a member of that human race.
So never send out to see for whom that bell tolls. For that bell, it does toll.............for thee.
Duh! Grow up. 50 out of 56 of the abusers were Pakistani? Yep that's coincidental.
For the avoidance of doubt I'm not in any way saying that 99.9999% of the Pakistani community are no doubt equally horrified. But there is clearly a problem that has to be addressed.
David Smith -
Now, Muslims make up around 5% of the population, and yet look at the influence they have in Britain ALREADY. Current birthrates determine Muslims will become the majority in Britain within 50 years.
I am sorry, but all of krap being spewed here, the above statement about the birthrate has got to be the best.
And another - some fool actually agreed with you.
British man films Muslims on British street, and peaceful Muslim threatens to kill him... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXQawNP46GE
Syeda, shut up you dumb racist.
your falseprophet had sex with a nineyearold girl when he was fiftysix he was a dirtyfilthyoldpervert, if you want to dispute that then do it openly now you love the sexpervertmohammad
have you read the hadith
the dirty falseprophet fucked a nineyearoldgirl when he was fooling muslims. give yourself a shake. islam is for sex perverts like the falseprophet mohammad
"Tolerance of each other's difference(s) is what leads to acceptance."
No. That is what leads to one's own destruction. Tolerate Islam, and Islam will destroy you. Muslims do not want to integrate into British society. They have no need to. They look down on British society, and see the British as nothing but a bunch of drunken, sex-crazed, immoral pigs. Muslims DO NOT want to accept you. Islam DOES NOT accept you.
The Muslim world isn't very tolerant of other beliefs. Why? Because Islam teaches them not to be. So why on earth would we want such a belief system growing in Britain...? Anyone...?
I'm still yet to receive an answer when I ask 'what has Islam got to offer Britain?'.
Britain was doing just fine before Islam reared its hideuous head, just as every other European country that now has a growing Muslim population was doing just fine. What has Islam brought to those countries?
What the different Muslim communities have brought to Britain; homophobia, misogyny, sectarianism, inbred children (cousin marriages), terrorism, religious fundamentalism, gangs, antisemitism, grooming & raping of non-Muslim girls, honor killings, massive strain on the benefits system (which A LOT of Muslims exploit)...
Oh yes, Islam has SOOOO much to offer Britain...
Just wait until they make up 10%... 20%... 30%... 40% of the population. Anyone care to explain how that will make Britain a better place? I'M WAITING.
"How about if someone wants to become Jewish. Is that offically allowed without a Jewish mother? Why are you quoting Hadeith's when the Quran was mentioned? Do you want me to quote some tidbits from the Jewish Talmud?"
Why are you talking about Judaism? Ohhhh I get it, you think I'm Jewish. lol
And I never mentioned the Quran. Why not quote what Muhammad said? Is anyone going to deny Muhammad's words about apostasy?
the false prophet of submission under the sword was a childmolesting pervert. he had sex with a nineyearold girl when he was an old man of fiftysix,
@Des Demona (or EnragedBrit)
But surely minority groups have a right to speak up, even if people disagree with them? You don't have to read Mehdi's blogs do you, he's not forcing it on you. As far as I'm aware he comments on a broad range of issues, why should he be barred from commenting on issues concerning Muslims? Should it be left only to those who have a negative spin on Muslims, such as Melanie Phillips?Surely for the sake of balance we need all different viewpoints put across in the media. I am glad for that, whether I agree with those views or not.
There are many journalists in this country whose opinions are the polar opposite of mine, but I'm not going to complain about their right to voice that opinion. What does it matter which political or religious spectrum they come from? And anyway, much of his blog quotes others who are not Muslim or Asian or male. I want to be able to hear all sides of the debate and not have the likes of you and EnragedBrit (whether you're the same person or not!) stifling it. Thanks.
@ David Smith
You've crossed the line some time ago and now sound like an Islamic ranter.
Are you on youtube like Mehdi?
Is that 'job done' Mehdi? You got the EDL tossers on the forum?
How about keeping quiet about your personal religious choices and concentrating on your political views? Or are they one and the same?
The problem is that they are and that is why you are not a good fit with the NS.
stay away from the childmolesting practices of the falseprophet of submission under the sword
Wow! Seriously wow!!!!!
A friend just posted this on Facebook so I just gave it a read and was about to leave before reading all these comments.... wow!
I'm a Muslim but I admit sometimes I think that if I wasn't and I was British although wrong I might blame another culture or another religion for what is happening here. But before assembling. such an attack it makes sense to be fully equipped and have a full understanding of the other religion and culture. Can I really relate these gang members disgusting actions to their religion? Did they act like Muslims in their day to day life? Or did they disobey the teachings of Islam (you must all know by know since ur all scholars in analysing the quran that Muslims don't drink, you might even know that its "haraam") "ye I can relate them! Your prophet was a rapist! Your prophet had a wife that was 9! He's a pedo!" I mean its nice to see that people are reading about Islam but please, please read the right stuff. For starters when you use quran as a reference have you read it all and do you understand it all? I have, trust me its far too condense and full of meanings beyond the English "translation". You can read a verse and think it means one thing but when "proper" scholars tell you its meaning after they've analysed the whole book in all contexts it means something completely different.
I have so many other friends from different cultures and religions (yes some are girls, and believe it or not I treat them with respect) , but what's different between my friends and some of the people that have commented here whenever they hear a story like this being related to Islam they're surprised. They compare these actions with how other Muslims are in our college and the don't find a correlation... and instead of attacking us they have the mental capacity to sensibly debate like Luke did expressing his views in a balanced way.
Reading some of these comments you just feel hurt. That some people have so much time to read about Islam yet focus on fabricated nonsense/ wrong interpretations of the quran. It also makes me laugh though...because you try so hard to sound like your full of knowledge about this religion when you make yourself look silly.
It's really a shame that people are debating about the wrong thing here. It's not a case of their religion, its a case of these people being mentally disturbed, and having so much time yet nothing to do and therefore resorting to drugs and crime.
What Mehdi Hasan thinks of non-Muslims...
I don't need to add anything.
sean,,only somebody with backward left wing thinking could come up with a comment like that,,maybe medhi hassan is right and lets take relgiion out of this debate and lets ask this questioon again,,why do some pakistani men see it ok to groom pre teen white girls for sexual abuse,that is the question that needs to be answered or this debate is a total waste of time..
Well, it didn't take long for this thread to degenerate. I'm not too surprised that the odious Melanie Phillips didn't waste much time in relating these crimes to Islam, untroubled by the lack of evidence, in an effort to further her own agenda. I'd be tempted to ignore her Muslim baiting, but sadly enough it seems that her publication's platform has provided her with a veneer of credibility in the eyes of many and a worryingly large readership; those who read her articles without applying critical thought to them may well be swayed by her "arguments". Mehdi did well in rebutting her claims; that there is an avid audience for her brand of prejudice is unfortunately evident from many of the comments here, which are depressignly full of not only ignorance and self-righteousness but frequently blatant Islamophobia. Whenever the word "Muslim" is mentioned it is only a short time before the topic in hand is lost to sight as people turn to attacking the legitimacy of the very existence of Islam itself.
@ John B
Would you like to tell me where I have attempted to stifle debate? You say you want to hear all sides of the debate? Well I'm giving mine - whether you consider me 'the likes of you' or not. Thanks.
It's true though. In my area, we're always seeing these PAKISTANI men in flashy cars driving around eyeing up our young teenage girls. They wolf whistle them and try to get them into their cars.
I know one girl who told them to get lost and reported it to the police.
How come I never see white men chasing little girls? The thing is, it must be a cultural problem. And people like you ignoring that make the problem worse. Why are you not willing to admit that it is these Pakistani men who are in the wrong? Until you admit it, the problem will continue. You are only in denial because you are I assume Pakistani yourself so are sticking up for your own people. Shameful. Wake up and smell the coffee.
The problem when your comment Des is that you are largely ignoring the limitations within this research which the researcher has pointed out more than once. Noone including you seem to pay attention to her.
So I ask you, who are you to state there is a problem from findings where it where gathered from particular area with significant population of Pakistani community not the whole of north and west midlands and the problems with overrepresentation btw? Bear in mind, the researcher have said this particular problem is not just with Pakistani men and limitation of the studies means they can’t actually identify as racial issue.
What you and most people are dismissing is that grooming is nationwide problem. By making this a racial issues, you are in fact saying that particular problems does not exist amongst occur communities (btw is prevalent in the white community in other parts of the UK).
So Des identify a problem amongst Pakistani community VS the police departments, the researcher that conducted the study who you keep referring to, children charities, all say and believe the crime is ont linked to particular race? Who is right Des? You or the every people that conducted and investigated these cases?
Don’t be so arrogant.
unfortunately the common people of this country, and anywhere else for that matter, are completely taken on a predetermined 'mostly doomed' course by the biased media and powerful corporations behind it.
Islamophobia is a type of Racism and a tool for bigots of this age. Not long ago it was poor Jews suffering at the hands of these racists. Muslims are 21st century Jews!?
given that Ms Philips is a) a Daily Mail writer and b) a bigoted idiot why are you even bother to repudidate her knee jerk spasms of gibberish.
Have I been banned?
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.