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I don't know whether to ignore or engage with this self-proclaimed champion of Islamophobia.
Tags: Islam Rod Liddle
Rod Liddle is a fat racist git, and like all little fat racist gits is a coward.
I'd personally dress him up in his KKK outfit and make hime walk the streets of Brixton.
Wow, I can't believe Mr Hasan has so readily fallen into Mr Liddle's trap!
This Rod Liddle
is complaining about intolerance? Hilarious.
I could randomly pick a Muslim off the street who was twice as tolerant and liberal as this joker.
Couldn't agree more.
why blame the EDL ?
Certain people believe that the EDL are standing up for this country, for its traditions and for its non-Islamic culture.
Why do we never hear anything about Hinduismophobia or Sikhismophobia ?
Maybe it's because the followers of those religions have the decency to behave.
Islam is guided as much by hadith tradition as the Qur'an. One hadith says that circumcision is 'an honorable thing for women'.
Anti-semitism is easy to source to the Qur'an- 'You shall always discover treachery in them (Jews) excepting a few of them.' (5.13)
Suicide bombings are encouraged by the Qur'an's command to 'make war' on idolaters, and the promise of 'great reward' for those who do so.
Islam took the example of medieval Catholicism, which was nothing better than the religions of the Roman police state disguised as Christianity. Catholicism got tamed, but Islam remains a maverick.
The fact is that publication or use of a Qur'an could be taken as a criminal offence, as it incites to war. Quite a problem.
"Crabstix - amusing that you compare the Quran to Mein Kampf and refer to Prophet Muhammad as "sick and deluded" and then take offence when I compare you to the EDL. I apologize. They're smarter than you. Instead, let me compare you to Nick Griffin and the BNP."
Mehdi, it was you lets not forget who compared me to the EDL and others who hate Islam, merely for publishing some examples from the Koran in answer to your own question. To publish is equivalent to hate, is that it?
I dismissed Mein Kampf, Mao's little red book and the Koran in the same breath. For that I apologise as clearly both Mao's and Hitler's works were at least the products of individual 'sick and deluded' minds. The Koran of course required a committee of them. So just how did I call the prophet 'sick and deluded'. That is only true if you believe the Koran was literally written by him... who was famously illiterate?
And then you have the temerity to compare me to Nick Griffin? I believe your fatwa is showing. Had I pointed out the prophets marriage to a six year old and consummation thereof when she was nine, would that have you to compare me with Gary Glitter?
Mehdi - You dismiss the hadith as "manufactured, forged, unreliable, false, in contradiction with the Quran, etc" but cling to the authenticity of the Koran itself.
Let's get this straight - you believe that a book, cobbled together (19 years after Mohammad died) from a collection of scribblings on scraps of paper, bits of wood and camel bone and written down, not in chronological order, but for some strange reason,in order of a chapter's length, is the authentic, perfect word of God as revealed to Mohammad?
You believe that no mistakes in spelling, grammar were ever made and that not one of Mohammad's words was missed or misheard by the scribblers. Not one single scrap was lost in the 19 years - even though Aisha said (those damned hadith!)that she'd had one surrah that was eaten by a goat and so was lost for ever!
Then there's the djinns. Tell me, Mehdi - on the question of whether a djinn is permitted to marry a human, where do you stand?
Rod Liddle is a tube. A sad sad man and political butterfly.
One religion is as bad the other. And, certainly in terms of the big 3, there is no 'religion of peace'.
'.... it is Muslims who fail to adhere to its tenets, pervert its principles and hijack the faith for self-serving, politicized and/or criminal purposes.'
Do you argue that point in public fora with fellow Muslims? And are you then accused of apostasy, Zionism, and Uncle Tomism?
I'd guess you would be.
Mehdi has long since left the room, as is his wont when intelligent questions like yours are posed. Or alternatively he may come back and accuse you of being Isalamophobic or a member of the BNP.
It's seems it's kind of a badge of honour in Mehdi's rather blinkered world.
Why shouldn't people be entitled to dislike Islam ? What's the problem with that ?
You're entitled to dislike Marxism / Thatcherism / Christianity / Test Match Cricket.
Why should Islam be immune ?
Islamophobia just means that you're hostile to Islam. There's a clue in the title.
So what's the problem ??? Not everybody likes Thatcherism either. It's an ideology made by people. Therefore, one can criticise it.
Race does not equal ideology.
* yawns *
Keir - What do you know about the holy Quran? Don't act as you know anything fool. Anti-semitic is a weapon used to protect a murderer state so-called Israel. It is also a weapon to make the victim a guilty (Palestians for example) and the guilty a victim. There are many Jewish who are anti-Muslims than Muslims who are anti-Semitic. You must blame the pro - Israelis who throw parties when they kill women, children and hopeless men in Palestine. They do have party in the US and UK. Can you talk about that?
Many Muslims are concerned about their brother/sisters in Palestine. Do not play that anti Semitic thing. Can you answer the whole Jewish people who believe that ' Kill Arabs, and use they are Anti-Semitic?'
Thinkov - if you're Mehdi's apologist in his absence, have you got an answer to my question above?
I suppose the child shagging passed you by?
I ain't middle class
I understand the reason behind the formation of the EDl in relation to Muslims protesting a homecoming in Luton. That however does not justify the EDL's behaviour and rhetoric since.
It's clear that the EDL is not about militant Islam at all, it's just against Islam full stop. A host of people targeted for the extremist actions of a few.
How many EDL members have direct first hand experience of Muslim extremism? Few, if any. Where are all these 'militant Muslims roaming our streets'? (EDL Nottingham quote)
It's all second hand crap drip fed through the likes of the Daily Heil, swallowed whole and regurgitated by the EDL in their poisonous generalisations and justifications for being.
Violence at marches, death threats to journalists and all in the name of England for the English and 'liberating us from evil'.
To paraphrase you Chris, This is why most people in the UK are fed up with the EDL
Don’t blame the teaching for its non practice!
Being Anti-Semitic = Anti Islamic..i.e.: Islam is a Semitic faith! For those who did not know!
@Des Demona - Some of those listed by Liddle the are not infact all done in the name of Islam...they're cultural acts ie: female circumcision (African Culture), forced marriages. You're not held accountable for atheists - So in that respect Mehdi and alls Muslim for that matter should not be held accountable for actions caused by some other so called "Muslims".
Go do some research Des Demoaner!
@ Keir.. You pulled one half verse out of the Quran..(you conveniently forgot to add "You shall pardon them, and disregard them. ..Well you only have to look at the Israel and Palestine issue to see that this verse is FULL OF TRUTH you idiot!
Now where is your evidence for all the other statements you made? Now before you shout out "Jihad!! Run for cover!"..Go look up the meaning please! Oh dear! :-(
There was a good Face The Facts programme today, entitled Islamophobia.
You can listen to it for the next week here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xw21x
Mehdi: Are we to take you as meaning that Islamophobia is unsupported by the scripture, but that Muslimophobia is ok?
Well well, my comment about Mehdi Hasan being a big girl's blouse and accusing posters of belonging to either the EFL or the BNP has been taken down, that's some sort of record.
Doesn't the New Stateman believe in democracy anymore?
Sad really and sad that Mr Hasan is allowed to post such comments rather join in the debate!
You haven't engaged or rebutted, though, have you? Much as with your previous attack upon me - which you had to change (surreptitiously) when the manifest errors and misrepresentations were pointed out -you, it is the reaction of a three year old who has been told he can't have any sweeties.
*yawns* is dead right. Grow up Mehdi, and learn to write while you're about it.
"... or which portrays non-Muslims as 'not quite human'"
Well, there's this:
Atheists are "cattle".
You Brits colonized and looted from the third world for centuries. It looks to me like your chickens are coming home to roost. You haven't allowed your immigrants to integrate themselves, as a result many of them, to include the native born, don't feel British. Can you blame them for loyalty to religion before country.
There is more than anti Muslim sentiment going on here. I can feel the racism in some of these comments. I admit to having anti Islamic feelings, but that is a whole different thing than racism. I would say to some of you that you are in bad company.
Islam is certainly homophobic (what would you call Iran's policy towards gays?). If you're denying that woman are second class citizens in the Koran, and every Muslim country on earth, then you are either lieing or in denial. As for anti semitism, read the filth that is sent to schools here from the Saudi government. What do you mean "so-called apostates"? Are they or aren't they? And does the Koran not say that the penalty for being an apostate is death?) Authoriatian? Yep, I can't think of many progressive, democratic governments in Muslim countries. can you? As for cutting off thieves hands and stoning adulterers to death, well that is not just a "medieval approach towards crime and punishment" but is barbaric and evil.
I think rod Liddle is absolutely right about Islam. It is a religion that has no place in the modern world. The tragic fact that there are over a billion Muslims, is the reason why they live in despotic, economic basket cases and failed states, that no genuine liberal who believes in sexual equality, tolerence or rationalism would want to ever go near.
the fact the New Statesman is an apologist for this religion shows how far parts of the Left have departed from anything remotely progressive.
Medhi you are very quite about your own Kuffariphobia.
Rob: absolutely, and eloquently put.
'Anti-semitic is a weapon used to protect a murderer state so-called Israel.'
Anti-semitism was largely the cause of the modern state of Israel. The fact is that some people will persecute Jews wherever they live, whatever they do. And the Qur'an is one of the reasons for them doing so, and it has been for 1400 years.
'The fact is, however, that unlike Islam, Judaism has always mediated such passages through rabbinic interpretation, with the result that such activities have not been tolerated.'
There were no rabbis for many centuries- and there is no text reckoned to be of divine origin that indicates that there should be rabbis. The Jews were not to have their law mediated- they were to know it personally, and teach it to their own children, personally. There were rabbis c. 200 years before Jesus, who disapproved of them. Christianity is the acme of democracy, and has been since Abraham.
Now Jews today do not stone adulterers; and yet they should do, to be consistent. But then, of the 612 Laws of Moses, they keep less than 200, as they themselves admit. It's nothing to do with rabbinical authority- it is simply impossible to keep many Mosaic Laws, for one reason or another. Not that any Jew is required to obey a rabbi, anyway.
'There are obnoxious things in Jewish and Christian scriptures - nobody is denying this.'
Any theologian worth the pay will explain why any one Bible command is at least reasonable.
Mehdi, I've enjoyed your articles up until this last post blog.. but you have lost me now. I have argued/debated with many muslims, and without exeption they stubbornly remain 'right' even when evidence stares them in the face. I came to the conclusion years ago that to argue with a muslim man is always futile, because you can never ever change his mind. Reason and logic are not enough for him.. he needs centuries of tradition to do as he will do. Now, whenever I talk with a muslim, I realise that I am not talking with a man who has intellect, I am talking with a culture. This man will never ever do or say anything that goes against his culture. He may seem reasonable, he will smile and tell me it's me that doesn't understand. But we all see the evidence on our streets every day. To a very large extent, catholics, protestants, jews, got on well enough in this country, have done for many years, but then muslims came along. You have spoilled my country forever.
'you conveniently forgot to add "You shall pardon them'
I'm so sorry. My attention was taken by 9.29, which commands Muslims to 'Fight those who do not believe in Allah... until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.'
Some pardon, eh.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.