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“I absolutely believe in a secular society” – Lutfur Rahman speaks to the NS

My interview with the controversial mayor of Tower Hamlets is in this week’s magazine.

The Q&A-style NS Interview in this week's magazine, which hits the news-stands tomorrow, is with the first directly elected mayor of east London's Tower Hamlets, Lutfur Rahman. He, of course, is the local politician who came to national prominence when he was removed as Labour's candidate for mayor by the party's National Executive Committee, over concerns about his "conduct" and alleged links to Islamic extremists. He then went on to win the mayoral election in October as an independent.

For background on the story, and the various allegations and controversies, check out Rahman's own website, the Telegraph blog of the Islamist-obsessed Andrew Gilligan and Dave Hill's London blog on the Guardian website. You can also read an insider's account of the NEC meeting at which Rahman was deselected here.

The full interview will be published on the NS website but here are some of the key quotes:

– Rahman claims he would not have been removed as Labour's candidate for mayor had Ed Miliband not been in the middle of his leadership campaign: "I believe it would have been different had he been leader at the time." But he says he has not had "any conversations with Ed Miliband" about rejoining the Labour Party, nor has he appointed anyone, including Ken Livingstone, "to enter into any such conversations on my behalf".

– The Tower Hamlets mayor condemns a "small clique in the NEC" for removing him as the Labour candidate and says he is not concerned that two Labour mayors of neighbouring London boroughs, Robin Wales and Jules Pipe, have said they will not work with him: "Tower Hamlets is one of the five Olympics boroughs, but my borough is not run at the behest of any of the leaders of the four other boroughs . . . Whatever other mayors say, that's their prerogative. I'm not interested in that."

– Rahman says he believes in a "social-democratic society" and not an Islamic "caliphate". When I asked him whether he supports secularism and secular politics, he replied: "I absolutely believe in a secular society." And, on sharia law, Rahman says: "I was invited to the London Muslim Centre [in July 2008] when the then chief justice, Lord Phillips, came to speak and said that there are merits in learning from certain aspects of sharia law, to help our legal system. Not the penal elements; the family and civil elements. If the chief justice can make those comments, who am I to disagree?"

– On his Islamic faith and the allegations of extremism and links to extremist groups, Rahman says he is "a proud Muslim" but denies membership of the controversial Islamic Forum of Europe (IFE), saying: "I don't believe we have extremist groups in Tower Hamlets. If so, I am sure the government and the police would have intervened long ago." He says the IFE is "one group among many", adding: "I believe that previous leaders have worked with the IFE and other such organisations, and some previous leaders are on record as having funded such faith groups. If there was nothing wrong with working with such groups then, why now?"

– I also asked him whether the gay population of Tower Hamlets should be worried by his victory, and he replied: "I made it quite clear that I want to serve each and every member of my community, including the gay and lesbian community. It is not for me to make value judgements. I want to work with every member of the community, whatever their sexual orientation. I grew up with people in the East End from all backgrounds, black, white, gay, and many of them are still my mates."

36 comments

stuart's picture

i am sure medhi hassan you would be happy to speak to nick griffin as well,what a racist seperatist sectarian muslim bigot lutfur rahman and his supporters and cronies are
,and for you medhi hassan to even give this guy 1 ounce of support proves to me that you are just a supporter of radical islam and there message of sectarian hatred,you in my opinion medhi hassan have sunk to a new low.in fact i will go one step further.you are the brown version of nick griffin medhi hassan.hows that.

avzssxfv's picture

Benedict, my real gift is not being duped by the Islamists, Apologists and the Lefty's.

stuart's picture

fascist racist scum lutfur rahman and his cronies.

avzssxfv's picture

Gerry - your spot on...well said.

Thanks for the heads up re: Panorama.

avzssxfv's picture

I can make my own mind up. Freedom of speech and expression, its my view, not yours, you don't like it, tough.

The Medhi doth protest too much, me thinks.

Peter's picture

Gilligan has only reported the facts and people say he has an agenda - yes that of a journalist. Lutfur has been expossed as corrupt, racist and associated with the Islamic fundamentalists in the borough, 11% of the people voted for him. If he is not charged with corruption while he is mayor I will be surprised.

Terry7's picture

@BowResident + @HansCastorp
I have not read Gilligan. I have heard plenty from the big angry mouth of Medhi Hasan. On balance and taking everything in the media both in the UK and abroad into account over the years I would have to agree with HansCastorp.
I know nothing of this man Lutfur Rahman so shall not pass comment. As for the virulent plague of Islamic extremism (a far-right wing of a great religion), I would have thought it obvious to anyone with only half a brain what their aims are for they tell us often enough themselves after all.
I just hope that moderate, responsible and considerate Muslims and Christians alike understand these fascists for what they are and stand up against them, ie, no difference in essence from the BNP et al. All should be shunned.
There is a threat. We all know this country's roots and its history. That should be respected, just as it should be anywhere in the world. If you refuse to accept your adopted country's laws and social mores then what on earth are you doing here at all. Surely you would be far happier elsewhere. Many would argue that you should leave. The same would apply in reverse elsewhere and in fact has been happening a lot for years.
The point is however that individuals in positions of responsibility and institutions in Britain today have stuck their heads where the sun doesn't shine and are choosing to ignore the obvious. That is very dangerous indeed.

Missy Elliot's picture

Ask him if believes in a secular society in Mecca and Medina?

Missy Elliot's picture

Oh yes and do you know anybody who believes in not hanging gays in London, but also believes in hanging gays in Medina?

Terry7's picture

PS: and remember the last Labour government attacked Gilligan over his claims in the run-up to the Iraq war. Once the dust had settled some time later however he was largely proved right.

Konnu's picture

@terrywhite

Er, no, Gilligan was forced to leave the BBC, and the Hutton enquiry found that his conflicting versions of own conversations left a huge question mark over his honesty and reliability.

@Hans Castorp
Very nice, by your logic Lutfur's denials are proof of his guilt, so there is nothing he can say in his own defence.

avzssxfv's picture

This should have read -

"I absolutely believe in a secular society" - Lutfur Rahman lies to the NS

Anonymous's picture

Lutfur Rahman is a crook who uses his cronies to intimidate people into voting. I am from the British Bangladeshi community in Tower Hamlets, and choose to remain anonymous as I do not want the intimidation. I have witnessed this first hand.

Rahman gets many of his votes through intimidation - the Bangladeshi community I am part of to describe it simply puts pressure on its people to vote in a certain way - you vote a certain way to be loyal, you vote a certain way to show that you are Bangladeshi and a good Muslim.

Rahman's campaigners go from house to house and intimidate people into voting for him - it is not by pointing a gun to anyones head, it is much more subtle than that. Those I know of who pressurize in this way are so close to Rahman that I do not believe he is ignorant of the tactics used.

Medhi, this man is regressive and nasty - everyone can argue from on high about this man, buit I see first hand his campaign tactics and it is sick. Please do not give him space that he does not deserve just because he is apparantly on the left and Muslim. He can believe in secular society all he wants - does he value fair and open debate or does he use channels of shame, intimidation, coercion in order to achive power?

Benedict's picture

Sven King, What a gifted satirist you are.

Hans Castorp's picture

Konnu

Erm, no.

What I am saying, very clearly, is that judgements about people are best formed primarily by what they do, rather than what they tell you. This is a matter of common sense. It undergirds what journalism is.

Gilligan has done this, and done public discourse a service insodoing. Mehdi counters this work with a childish slur and what looks like a pandering interview, and *nothing else*.

Investigative journalism should be demoted to the same weight in opinion-forming as PR.

Carla's picture

What were you expecting him to say - "I hate gays".

Really Medhi?

In other news, mass murder says he is a nice guy and he does not condone murder.

Why do you give this guy so much slack? It does not look good in terms of your biases which are well commented on.

Hans Castorp's picture

BowResident

If you have anything to do with the odious Respect party, then your comments are completely unsurprising, and your view utterly undeserving of the dignity of a substantive reply.

Fruininut's picture

He then went on to win the mayoral election in October as an independent.

Would he have won without the racist vote... ???

Sean Carey's picture

Anonymous says:

Rahman gets many of his votes through intimidation - the Bangladeshi community I am part of to describe it simply puts pressure on its people to vote in a certain way - you vote a certain way to be loyal, you vote a certain way to show that you are Bangladeshi and a good Muslim.

Anonymous, it's precisely because of the fear of intimidation that the UK has a secret ballot. Even if Lutfur were "intimidating" the voters -- Bangladeshi, white or whoever -- they could exact their revenge in the ballot booth. So, sorry don't follow your logic.

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Julian2's picture

Just read this, and think:
http://hurryupharry.org/2010/11/24/who-are-the-real-mccarthyites/

Abbas's picture

Medhi a little while ago you wrote an article damming about Phil Woolas and it was spot on.

This Rahman deserves the same treatment - he is an embarrassment to Tower Hamlets and it is horrific how politics is being conducted in my back yard. His wrong doing is known o many but difficult to bring to justice.

Gerry Adams's picture

Didn't realise the mayor for Hackney had taken on such a name these days...

gerry's picture

So The Mayor of Tower Hamlets says he is a "proud Muslim"..that should be enough to set alarm belles ringing!

Are you proud of the Islamic regimes which murder thousands of gays and lesbians in the name of Islam?

Are you proud of the Muslims who murder those who convert away from Islam?

Are you proud of the Muslims who murdered your "fellow" Londoners in 2005, or dont they count?

And as for saying "there are no extremists in Tower Hamlets", well just one glance at the Dispathes programmes on Islamic forum of Europe and their admitted Militant style infiltration of the borough, will show that Islamic extremism is alive and flourishing there...but then perhaps the Mayor doesnt think it extreme to support sharia law, gender separation, homophobia...?

Oh, and have a look at monday 22nd november's Panorama on BBC1 about what is being taught in "Islamic schools" up and down the UK..it will be chilling to non Muslims!

The article just proves the point: most Muslims in the Uk are so extreme that they think it is "moderate" not to openly support murder! To hell with this mayor and his apologists...

Kaleem's picture

I for one voted for Lutfur Rahman.

and next time if he goes for the general election i'll campaign for him,

Simon's picture

What difference does it make what answer he gives about gays living in TH? Nothing will change regardless. And how any sane gay person would chose to live in a sharia hell hole like that is beyond comprehension. What do you expect when the majority of your neighbours come from countries where you could be stoned to death at the drop of a burqa? Just get the hell out of that dump, they're welcome to it.

swatantra's picture

I admit I may have got Lutfur wrong. Anyone who believes in a secular society can't be all that bad. Religion and Politics should not mix. The explanations he gives to some of his comments seem quite reasonable, particularly of his going along with the Lord Chief Justice.
The difficulty comes in him being readmitted back to Labour so short a time after he stood against the official Lbour candidate. He should forget about it and continue as an Independent, and probably go onto win a 2nd term.

Dave C's picture

I'd suggest that people read the full interview at: http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2010/11/tower-hamlets-believe-la... and leave their comments there.

avzssxfv's picture

- Mehdi - Alluh Akhbar Lutfur, lets feed these infidel scum a line about how liberal we are etc etc, they lap it up on the NS, we like gays blah blah blah, we know they are destined to hell...Laughs

Lutfur - Assalam Alakham Mehdim, I didn't realise how accommodating Lefty's really are, I still cant believe my luck, at how they are such willing dupes for our Jihadi spin.

Mehdi - Lutfur, I've been saying one thing on NS and something else to our brothers without question, its beautiful.

This is a sham interview by a Mehdi who again has shown himself to be an Apologist for the Islamic Supremacists...

We know what side of the fence Mehdi is on....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APAPqT3QdFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__31LOVIR-M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUuhD3TysRc&feature=related

Olijaan's picture

What a paranoid and distasteful comment. And can you really find nothing better to do than circulate these out of context video clips that have been doing the rounds for over a year? As ever, the response is here: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/dissident-voice/2009/07/islamic-extrem...

I'd refer you to Dave C's comment above and suggest you read the full interview.

Marcus's picture

I forget, what happened to Ken for backing him, against party policy?

Hans Castorp's picture

Next week, Mehdi Hasan interviews Henry Kissinger:

MH "Dr Kissinger, are you responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity in several countries, for debauching several offices of state, and for profiting personally and through crony enterprise from these activities?"

HK: "No."

MH: "Oh, ok."

I look forward to reading the succession Mehdi's soft-balled questions, and Rahman's unchallenged flow of disingenuous flannel.

Is there a euphemiser for sectarian hatred for whom Mehdi will not apologise or feature on his blog?

Of course Rahman is not going to say he supports the IFE and all the hateful tripe they espouse.

Similarly, you won't get Nick Griffin to say "I'm a racist".

The elephant test lets you know not to take either man's words at face value.

There's this thing that helps with this process of discovery. It's called, um...err.... ah yes! *Journalism*.

How weak you sound Mehdi, when all you can say about Gilligan's reports is that he is "obsessed"! I note you have never rejected anything he documents on their merits.

Must do better.

BowResident's picture

When Lutfur was the leader, he was the only one willing to sit down with my local community centre which is run by a mixed group of Labour and Respect supporters. Some of the previous councillors were known to try to block funding coming into the community centre for their own vile racists politics against various community organisations. Money kept on being diverted money to Rich Mix Centre and other places. This included the Bancroft Library money almost being stopped by the previous leader Abbas!

BowResident's picture

@HansCastorp are you also obesessed like Gilligan? If you look at Gilligan's articles most of them are note even news worthy when they are nothing new but the same rants he makes of his infatuation with "islamic supremacism". That's what journalists like Gilligan do when they try to cover up their own racist and Islamophobic prejudices under the guise of "journalism". Reality is its nothing but gutter journalism that the right-wing racists love!

xdyj's picture

Seriously, so in UK a local government is funding a group seeking for criminalizing lgbt people & sex outside marriage and refuses to accept secular values (at least according to their website)? And those running the government even call themselves leftist/social democrats/etc?

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