Did Margaret Thatcher practise the “politics of envy”?
She did – if you believe the Tory-supporting columnist Matthew d’Ancona.
By Mehdi Hasan Published 29 November 2010 10:57
Writing about Ed Miliband's support for the 50p tax rate in yesterday's Sunday Telegraph, Matthew d'Ancona observed:
The symbolism of the state taking half his earnings once he reaches a certain level – as an act of social justice rather than fiscal necessity – could not be clearer. This is not progressive taxation. It is the politics of envy reborn.
Right-wingers – in particular, Telegraph columnists – get rather worked up about top rates of tax and, in particular, Labour's 50 per cent tax on earnings above £150,000. Writing in the Telegraph in November 2009, Boris Johnson claimed:
The 50p tax is not far, in its political motive, from Stalin's assault on the kulaks.
Hmm. The top rate of income tax for nine of Margaret Thatcher's 11 years in office stood at 60p – until, that is, her chancellor Nigel Lawson cut it to 40p in 1988.
Was the Iron Lady guilty of practising the "politics of envy"? Was she a closet Stalinist?
Perhaps low-tax advocates on the right should tone down some of their rhetoric, given their own heroine's record in office.
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26 comments
Thatcher had no sense of social justice, she had to up tax to pay for the public services she was destroying; it's what led to her downfall, amongst her many other failings.
In a deficit situation such as we have now, taxation for high earner's has to be increased, there's only so much you can shave off the State. Tories bleat on and on about decreased taxes but in reality they never get round to giving us a tax reduction of any value, a few pennies in the £1 is negligible. There policies will never shrink the State, they'll just destroy it.
Labour did effectively reduce tax by way of the tax credit system, it increased the disposable income of many, far more effectively than the Tories supposed tax reductions will. Their reduction are always promised as some kind of carrot come election time, then they are so minimal they never make any difference when offset against VAT and so forth. The Tories have an abysmal record on taxation.
The Tories have to realise that it is high time tax avoidance was clamped down on, that's where the real money is.
Deficit reduction has yet to happen under this lot, all we've heard is talk talk talk so far.
@Philip Proust, that is complete and utter bollocks. If the state took-say-75% of my earnings, sure, I'd work like a dog-for as long as took me to find a job in another tax regime, and not a second longer.
Etchtee, when did you last put in 48 hours at anything except snoozing and drinking cider?
Reginald ol boy: Oh no, let's gets a whole army of HMRC tax avoidance (not tax 'planning') investigators in. Let them spend every waking moment trawling receipt after receipt, let them break all those crafty encryption software packages and let's use those wonderful databases to source all those dodgy offshore accounts. Let's stop all those loopholes and fix that 'helpful' legislation for once and for all. Let's send out a clear message to all those naughty scoundrels that their game is up, someone will be knocking on their big door and before we know it the State can recoup all that it is owed to us hard working tax payers. Let the net close in, let's name them and shame them.
My motto, forget the pennies, go after the millions!
Now where shall we start, Mr Cameron, Mr Clegg, Mr Osborne, where do you reckon?
"One of Margaret Thatcher's first acts on coming to power in 1979 was to persuade the European Economic Community to halt its shipments of food and milk powder to Vietnamese children. According to the World Health Organisation, a third of all infants under five so deteriorated following the milk ban that most of them were stunted or likely to be. Almost none of this was news in the west".
http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2010/12/v...
It is now nine years since my predecessor, in his first Budget in 1979, reduced the top rate of income tax from the absurd 83 per cent. that prevailed under Labour to 60 per cent. where it has remained ever since. At that time, this was broadly in line with the European average for the top rate of tax. It is now one of the highest. And not only do the majority of European countries now have a top rate of tax below 60 per cent. but in the English-speaking countries outside Europe—not only the United States and Canada, but in Labour Australia and New Zealand, too—the top rate is now below 50 per cent., sometimes well below.
The reason for the worldwide trend towards lower top rates of tax is clear. Excessive rates of income tax destroy enterprise, encourage avoidance, and drive talent to more hospitable shores overseas. As a result, so far from raising additional revenue, over time they actually raise less.
By contrast, a reduction in the top rates of income tax can over time result in a higher, not a lower, yield to the Exchequer. Despite the substantial reduction in the top rate of tax in 1979, and the subsequent abolition of the investment income surcharge in 1984, the top 5 per cent. of taxpayers today contribute a third as much again in real terms as they did in 1978–79, Labour's last year; while the remaining 95 per cent. of taxpayers pay about the same in real terms as they did in 1978–79.
After nine years at 60 per cent., I believe the time has come to make a further reduction in the top rate of income tax. At present there are no fewer than five higher rates of income tax; 40 per cent., 45 per cent., 50 per cent., 55 per cent. and 60 per cent. I propose to abolish all the higher rates of tax above 40 per cent.
It is immoral for a government to take money simply in the name of social justice.
But we all know that Labour are immoral, and prone to not giving a sh*t about people or what they do to people. Just ask anyone who's spent the last few years on a control order.
Sam wrote, "But we all know that Labour are immoral, ..."
Latest poll: CON 40%, LAB 40%, LDEM 9%.
It seems that at least 40% of the population disagree with your assertion.
@Sam. People who have that much money have almost certainly already "taken" it from others, to wit, the workers, the real producers of wealth. Finance capital taxes ALL of us, and gives nothing back in return.
@Sam
29 November 2010 at 12:57
"It is immoral for a government to take money simply in the name of social justice."
Here's me thinking it was to pay the deficit.
"But we all know that Labour are immoral, and prone to not giving a sh*t about people or what they do to people. Just ask anyone who's spent the last few years on a control order."
Dam those immoral Labour people, they don't care about anyone, not like the beautiful terrorists on control orders. They actually care what they do to people... like blowing them up.
"The reason for the worldwide trend towards lower top rates of tax is clear. Excessive rates of income tax destroy enterprise, encourage avoidance, and drive talent to more hospitable shores overseas"
Sadly avoidance still seems very popular. Also, considering individuals like Fred-the-shred driving off some of the 'talent' sounds almost attractive, but could probably be achieved more easily with garlic, holy-water and burning torches.
Well, she came out with said term, over and over again, while with a husband from the nasty oil trade. Denis made loads out of his castrol-burmah shares to "keep" a brit PM mad.
The envy she was on about is looking at us non-mad lot talking sense, no doubt.
"Matthew D'Ancona observed:
The symbolism of the state taking half his earnings once he reaches a certain level"
Wow, just wow, there are people who write for the Telegraph who don't understand the difference between a marginal tax rates and a real tax rates? Do they actually think that a 50% marginal tax rate means that you pay 50% of your income as tax? Is the qualification for working at the Telegraph having failed GCSE maths? Wow, just incredible.
And by the way Mehdi, "Stalinist" is very uncomfortably too close to the truth for me, in my own country. I prefer mad, but that might be the same...
poor matthew d'ancona, its not easy being a tory when you don't have the same rich family background as some of them, its the competing thing, how can he cope!
how hard it must be to be a tory when you can't even buy an inflatable dinghy in corfu.
maybe we should feel sorry for him, but also remind him that dave says that money doesn't matter, and its happiness that is important, so surely its only right that his higher earnings should be taxed at a higher level to help those who are not as fortunate as him.
i think the problem we have is that though labour may, arguably, be engaging in the politics of envy, the tories seem to be engaged in the politics of resentment. which is very ugly.
William, praise to the '97-'10 Labour party in dampening down NI troubles. If anyone would ask me that in '96, I would have settled for simply that. Would never ever happened UNDER the torries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Ab7vNhd18
There is no conclusive evidence that high tax rates at the top end - 50 to 60 percent - diminish hard work and initiative; there is just as much evidence that high rates cause people to work harder to increase their wealth.
Philip Proust, well said - you hit the nail right on the head, especially for manufacturing industry motivation, as long as the 48 week max working week is gone round the side, by self-employment.
48 hour week, by the way, I meant.
If young engineers want to put in 100 hours a week on a project, let them.
What's the difference between commies, mafiosa, yank teamsters and brit Unions? Nothing, according to the mad mind of the Thatch.
At least brit Unions were democratically elected.
Mr Nice - Balliol's best, Oxbridge to the rest of us heathens.
Re. Thatch and NI tory problem, splved by Labour, and the woman with a cancerous wig,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApzPnkrTI4c
solved, even.
Willian, King, hopefully not the first one, the orange one, that didn't help in this Ireland thing, ya,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ciGezyUDg
Marvellous quote by Boris! I say...Boris Johnson for the President of the European Union!
Nick my good chap, lets leave the old tax planning alone.
With regards to the 50p tax, I shall put it to George Osborne to raise this tax for footballers to the 60p tax. Like Lady Thatcher's top rate of income tax pre-1988! Pat on the back for Reginald!
Reginald's motto:'Watch the pennys and the millions will take care of themselves!'
No, the people that practice the "politics of envy" are the ones that are constantly pointing out how unjust it is that somebody has more than somebody else and that we need to spread the wealth around. It is IMMORAL to take property from one person and give it to another who has not earned it. That is THEFT, whether a private citizen does it or the government does it. Each person is responsible for taking care of themselves. If there are people who truly cannot take care of themselves, then we should have something in place to take care of them (preferably something not government sponsored).
Mehdi going after another journalist again. What is going on?