The Quran burning that wasn’t.
Some reflections on Pastor Terry Jones.
By Mehdi Hasan Published 10 September 2010 17:26The swivel-eyed, moustachioed US pastor Terry Jones, of the Dove World Outreach Centre in Gainesville, Florida, says his bonkers plan to set fire to copies of the Quran on the front lawn of his church is "on hold". Get it? Not off, not cancelled, but "suspended", he says.
Jones is waiting for God (yes, the Lord Almighty Himself) to whisper words of divine guidance into his demented head, as he now claims to have been tricked by a Florida imam, Muhammad Musri, into calling off the bonfire of the books. Jones says he thought he had a "deal" over the location of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque -- which isn't a mosque, and isn't at Ground Zero.
Jones has not read the Quran. Nor is he aware that Islamic scholars often suggest disposing of old copies of the Quran by burning the pages. So, in a way, he is implementing sharia law!
But (bad) jokes aside, this man is an obnoxious, bigoted and hate-filled individual. Judging by last year's stunt, in which congregants from his church sent kids to school wearing T-shirts proclaiming "Islam is of the devil", he also craves publicity -- which the 24-hour-news media in the United States, and across the world, have been eager to grant him, to the dismay of the White House press spokesman Robert Gibbs, among others. In this sense, we are witnessing the reverse of the Anjem Choudary effect. Depressing, eh? (For more, check out Patrick Osgood's excellent blog post.)
Let me, however, say some words to my fellow Muslims, some of whom have (surprise, surprise!) taken to the streets of Afghanistan, Indonesia, the Philippines, et cetera, to burn effigies of Jones and denounce the "Satanic" United States.
Calm. The. Hell. Down.
Is this really how you want to celebrate Eid? With orgies of flag-burning and violent demos? And where was your anger, where were the passionate public protests, when dozens of Muslims from the Shia minority in Pakistan were murdered in suicide attacks in Quetta a week ago?
Allow me to quote to you some wise words from a thought-provoking and measured piece by Dr Muqtedar Khan, the American Muslim intellectual and academic, in the Washington Post:
When images of Quran-burning will be flashed around the globe, it will excite Muslim anger. I want Muslim leaders everywhere to counsel their communities. Recognise this provocation for what it is and ignore it. And remember, do not let this become a source for anger and hatred towards Christians. Remind your congregations what the Quran tells Muslims about Christians:
". . . Forgive them and overlook their misdeeds, for Allah loves those who are kind" (Quran 5:13).
If Muslims react with anger and indiscriminate violence, then one of Terry Jones's goals will be fulfilled. He would have shown the world that some Muslims are more barbaric than even he is. Be patient, encourage everyone to be patient; let Terry Jones enjoy the monopoly on barbarity for a while.
"True believers are those who show patience, firmness and self-control" (Quran 3:17) and "indeed God is with those who are patient" (Quran 2:153).
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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monumental amount of gigantic stupidity in this thread so much so that the spam is the best read
are you all ghosts of byzantine times?
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It appears the ever-controversial Westboro Baptist Church have decided to back both camps by burning both copies of the Quran and US flags tomorrow. For once the WBC aren't getting the head-lines though, bandwagon jumpers that they are.
All I can say that being a Muslim I was not offended by such childish display of anger and hatred. God does not live in words nor can Islam be wiped off by burning the pages of the Quran. Islam is an inconvencience truth and ideology for the west since it happens to attract many new converts and is an ever growing ideology which is causing nerves to appear in the hearts of those who dream of world supremacy. Islam is and will always be, I say get used to it.
''True believers are those who show patience, firmness and self-control (Quran 3:17) and indeed God is with those who are patient''
Well bug eyed Medhi, you werent like that when I saw you on You Tube, where you ? You ranted and raved, foamed at the mouth, half crazed and demented shrieking like a mohamadist mad dog that you are, that the readership of the NS were just like cattle, kuffirs.
@ Ali
Abraham DID NOT build the kaaba (mosque). Get your fact right.
The kaaba was built by the Meccan to house 360 idols, most of which were destroyed by Mohammad leaving only the biggest meteorite stone - 30 x 41 inches- which he named Ar Rahman and later Allah. That rock aka Allah, (broken into seven pieces and held by a silver) is your Allah.
The biggest problem that you Muslim need to overcome is the fear to read History and get the Facts right.
Abraham never set foot in that desert. It was and still is about 1,100 miles from where Abraham lived.
Your religion is a fraud and a sham!!.
1. Muslims do not pray for world peace for it is UnIslamic - Islam wants to dominate the world;
2. Muslims cannot co-exist with non-Muslims for it is Un-Islamic - The Koran has 123 verses that call for the killing of all non_muslims;
3. Where there is Islam - there is kidnapping, thievery, paedophile, rape, beheadings, wars et al for it is the duty of all Muslims to follow in the foot path of Mohammad.
Strange how Mehdi doesn't feel the need to point out the pastors constitutional right (freedom of speech) to burn the Qu'ran. (Not saying I'd endorse the act, only to support his right to do so.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPeyxJ7vGU
Loathesome Medhi's racist rant against whitey starts at 1.04
Bet Lemmy's pissed off to have a double like him
@ Dr.Music, Islamshame and joe bono,
You have done a fantastic job of describing what islam is!!
What you have actually done is given the wise people ammunition to go out and find out what exactly islam is about. What they will do is not take your for it as no one has given ANY EVIDENCE whatsoever about how 'vile' this religion is!!! Now i urge you please please please post back with evidence from the koran, authentic hadiths with verse number to prove your arguement.
those clever people who whats to know the unbiased truth of islam please go into a local mosque if based in london go to either east london mosque based in whitechaple or regents park mosque in reqents park, west london to find out more, i can guarantee they will welcome you with open arms
alternativly check out hamza yusuf of youtube and find out why he converted to islam?
kam "How did you come up with that? That Mohammed married a teenager? Let me clarify that, yes mohammed did marry a teenager yet only 15yrs junior, but she was past puberty,"
The age difference between 9 year old Aisha and 54 year old Muhammad was 45 years not 15.
Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: "Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old."Sahih Muslim 8:3310
“My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me.”
Tabari IX:131
The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.!
Kam you can lie to yourself, but not to others.
@plaintalk
"Where there is Islam, there is violence, murder, kidnapping, rape, and trouble"
Now name me a country which has a muslim majority that has all the above? Saudia Arabia? (NO) UAE? (NO, which is why there is loads of foriegn investments)any arab countries? No, Palestine? Not amongst themselves!
"Thats what Mohammad, the first paedophile and child molester did, and thats what his followers do now"
How did you come up with that? That Mohammed married a teenager? Let me clarify that, yes mohammed did marry a teenager yet only 15yrs junior, but she was past puberty, which in islam and judiaism allows men and women to marry. now if you find this distugsting what do you think about older men marrying young women? think about michael douglas and catherine zeta jones, hugh hefner and his playboy girlfriends ect.. how comes those are not called into question?
Allah or god is the same god the christians and the jews believe, there are mentions of adam and eve, jesus and moses as a prophet in the koran, the muslims regard the bible and the torah as sacred scriptures yet the main difference to the koran is that those have been altered over years the koran has not, why?? because people have memorised the quran and still do today and the koran was the 1st holy scriptures revealed by the prophets which was written down (torah and bible was in text form later on)which therefore still remains the word of god.
One religious bigot riles other religious bigots...
Thank goodness they are making the essential point for atheism.
http://clemthegem.labourhome.org/
All religion is pointless, it ends at the point of death, like everything else. But there is something quite detestable about Mohammedanism. Mohamad wasn't a very pleasant MAN!!! now was he.
TO CLARIFY THE AISHA ISSUE..
Aisha was initially betrothed to Jubayr ibn Mut'im, a Muslim whose father, though pagan, was friendly to the Muslims. When Khawla bint Hakim suggested that Muhammad marry Aisha after the death of Muhammad's first wife (Khadijah bint Khuwaylid), the previous agreement regarding marriage of Aisha with ibn Mut'im was put aside by common consent.
British historian William Montgomery Watt suggests that Muhammad hoped to strengthen his ties with Abu Bakr;the strengthening of ties commonly served as a basis for marriage in Arabian culture.
According to the traditional sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad.
Historian Denise Spellberg states that "these specific references to the bride's age reinforce Aisha's pre-menarcheal status and, implicitly, her virginity."
This issue of her virginity was of great importance to early Muslim historians who supported the Abbasid Caliphate. These Muslim historians considered that as Muhammad's only virgin wife, Aisha was divinely intended for him, and therefore the most credible regarding the debate over the succession to Muhammad.
Aisha stayed in her parents' home for several years until she joined Muhammad and the marriage was consummated.
Most of the sources indicate that she was nine years old at the time, with the single exception of al-Tabari, who records that she was ten.
The marriage was delayed until after the Hijra, or migration to Medina, in 622; Aisha and her older sister Asma bint Abi Bakr only moved to Medina after Muhammad had already migrated there. After this, the wedding was celebrated very simply. The sources do not offer much more information about Aisha's childhood years, but mention that after the wedding, she continued to play with her toys, and that Muhammad entered into the spirit of these games.
Eventually there is going to be an all out war between Muslims everywhere and the rest of the world ..in Russia, China, Nigeria, Thailand etc etc. Thousands will die but in the end the true religion will win Christianity.
HAHAHHAHA @ ALL OF YOUS , EVERY1
HERE YOU ALL ARE COMPLAING ABOUT HOW ISLAM IS OF HATE AND VIOLENCE... what are you guys exactly spreading with your comments... hate and violence..
PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH
&& oh, umm God is perfect , we arent. so yess muslims are stupid idiot,.. and as a muslim i can AGREE TO THAT! but we r human, and humans arent perfect. Just dont forget .. there always is a minority in society.. the jews, the germans, the japanese, the muslims. And at the end of the day .. all the war, the deaths, the violence.... leads to nothing. EXCEPT SHAME FOR CONTRIBUTING PARTIES..
cheer up people.
pick up a Quran , read it then if u still want to insult.. atleast u can say... I READ IT , I SAW IT, I DISAGREE. rather then GOOGLE SAID SO ;)
be happy. and the world will be happy with you.. :)
We in the west live in a free society, we have a freedom to express ourselves. Burning of a book is a freedom of expression.
If I had my way I would burn all the religious books on a big bonfire because that's all they are good for!
freedom is one thing
but so is respect
JESUS! WE R HUMANS, LETS TREAT EACH OTHER THAT WAYY
it doesnt hurt.. srsly u should all try it once is a while
@James
Try refuting my point or are you just a mindless islamophilic?
@Alizah
"Islam is an inconvencience truth"
Wonderful,I could not put I better myself..
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in the Christian Year of 1991, between 2000 – 5000 ethnic Russians embraced Islam. At the same time if the Russian more or less 2 million ethnic Muslims have converted to Russian Orthodox Christianity!
Seem like Islams dream of world supremacy may have a long wait, get used to it.
STUART:
Why is India different for Muslims than the confused and easy-going West?
Simple.
In India, Muslims have full rights of expression and organisation. They can almost everywhere in India ridicule the majority faith, Hinduism.
This is as it should be.
But in India Muslims also know if they get out of line ad try violent tricks, they will suffer the most.
Thank you Mehdi! wise words.. and can I just take this opportunity to also condemn the lack of protest against the attacks against shias in Pakistan. Some eid for the families of those poor victims.
Former Prime Minister of India, Nehru once remarked: "There is much tomfoolery going on in the practice of religion. The above are prime examples of tomfoolery of religionists on both sides of the divide.
123 verses of the Quoran calls for the killing of all non-Muslims.
Islam itself is the biggest fraud mankind has ever seen. Period
I understand and agree wholeheartedly with a loving, empathetic, humanitarian, Epicurean universal spark of oneness lifestyle being enjoyed by all creatures on this planet ( and any other planets for that matter) but is there any point in which a secular army may be formed for the defense of all peoples and their various artistic expressions? Should a thinking army be allowed? When does a sane man carry the fight to his enemies? At what point can we say it's okay to sit back and hope that peoples of the world will throw these different social yokes off and ask for help? Are we not driven by the desperate need to survive like any other organism? Or are we intellectualizing and tolerating ourselves to death? Can a free atheist state ask for help from the Swedish Army? I know by now this must sound like another pointless rant but I am completely flabber-gasted with what I see happening around the world. The humanitarian, peaceful, atheistic ideals that my "flower-kid" "baby-boomer" parents taught me to always stand for proudly. Peace Love Honor Truth. You know, crazy old fashioned stuff like that. Along the way and a couple of divorces later those same parents are telling me thats they didn't sell out, they bought in. The policies that they have voted for and or not protested strongly enough against have created this world of apathy, unaccountability and sadness. They have let their children go off and fight the war they ran to canada to avoid, they have bankrupted the piggy-bank of the system they railed against and didn't want to contribute too, they have lied about several environmental reports, they have "over-pussified" the world with their constant barrage of Politically Correct definition changes, they have turned this once great nation of mine into a laughing stock around the world and even to itself. I say once great not in reverence to any miss-understood "fundamental" value systems that shaped our forefathers thinking. I say once great in reverence to all those that ran here and started the only country in the world without a hereditary or religiously chosen king in charge of its subjects. The wording of the constitution, the declaration of independence, of several open editorials in periodicals of the day; there was a very direct memory of fear associated with a monarchy that could kill you for believing the "wrong" faith. The early east coast immigrants to the Americas were mostly english, irish and german. They were running from the long series of "religion" based wars that had blanketed the European continent since well, since forever. This country was set up with a very good checks and balances system intended to stop any one branch of government from gaining to much power, and then our real stroke of good luck happened George Washington. Say what you will; he stopped them from crowning him and started a precedent that no president save FDR has had the balls to change. The act of dismissing power after a set amount of time. Reminds me of Smedley D. Butler, or maybe Charles Martel even. But now I'm rambling. These warriors were proud men. Family men. Honorable ( for the most part ) men. Are we as modern atheists not encouraged to learn anything by their example? Are we not allowed to fight for the soul of humanity? Since we appear to be the only ones concerned with truly freeing humanity to pursue it's arts and sciences; are we not responsible for the final fight against all religions? Does the burden of responsibility for killing god not fall heaviest on those who say god is " just a bad work of fiction"? Are we really just going to sit here, twiddle our thumbs, and wait for some zealot ( of any religion ) to start a war? Its sad to see that all of evolution has led to same those wonderful thumbs being developed just to twiddle amongst themselves while we die. Are we not morally required to stop the nazi mindset wherever we find it? On another note: was the Third Reich Nazi state just a form of European Aryan Islam? And did those escaping nazi who integrated themselves into the US after the war plan on the islamic takeover of the world as the revenge of the Fourth Reich?
Ebrahim Moosa, professor of religious studies, Duke University and a Muslim Cleric said "The Quoran is NOT an authentic Book. It was fabricated."
So why should the world care whether people ought to burn the Quoran or not? It is just a terrorist manual. Period.
Bukhari V4B56N709 said "Uthman, the ruling Caliph, called Zaid, Abdallah, Said and Rahman and asked them to qrite down the quoran. Seven different versions came out. Uthman chose one and threw away all the others."
So, how could the Quoran be the words of God?
all of you who said that Islam is against non-Muslim is 100% WRONG
1. for those of you who said that 123 verses of the Quran calls for the killing of all non-Muslims is not correct. the Quran calls to to kill the people who commit war against islam , the people who kill muslims for no reason , the people who are fighting against the religion with a sword, a gun , or a weapon. if you don't understand what Islam is then don't waste your time. Prophet Mohamed's neighbor was a jew, and Mohamed was like a great friend to him till the neighbor died.
2. Joe
"The kaaba was built by the Meccan to house 360 idols, most of which were destroyed by Mohammad leaving only the biggest meteorite stone - 30 x 41 inches- which he named Ar Rahman and later Allah. That rock aka Allah, (broken into seven pieces and held by a silver) is your Allah." what is the Prove of your history !!! if you don't know how Muslims worship God then do not waste your time.
3.there are always good people & bad people. if you are among the good people why do you want to fight against others and be among the bad people??!!
be nice live haply
Understand before you judge ... learn about islam , understand what islam really is , ask muslims & muslim scholars to get the facts. don't ask the people who are fighting against Islam.
Bukhari V6B61N552 "Mohammad said the quoran has been revealed to be recited in several different ways, so recite which is easier for you."
Islam very own hadith confirmed that Mohammad said it himself that there are so many different quorans. So one doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know the quoran is a piece of garbage
A MODERATE MUSLIM IS SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH YOU BEING BEHEADED, BUT DOESN'T DO IT HIMSELF. ISLAM MUST BE DESTROYED!!!
HOW WILL YOU CONTRIBUTE ?
A "phobia" is an irrational fear. Thus, "homophobia" is an irrational fear of homosexuality.
Which, of course, is silly on several levels. ISLAMOPHOBIA REFERS TO AN IRRATIONAL FEAR.
BUT FEAR OF ISLAM IS TOTALLY RATIONAL.
SO THE TERM ISLAMOPHOBIA IS NOT SILLY, BUT IT IS MISLEADING, IN A HAZARDOUS WAY.
Get your facts right girls and boys .islam is not a religion. islam is a cult. In the pure definition of a robber cult. Ever wondered why they hate dogs ?
Because dogs can sense thieves and evil…and mohammad was both plus a pedophile plus a rapist plus too much evil to list here.
Started by a mass murderer and a legendary pedophile. if you still do not know this fundamental fact about islam it is not your fault. but you are starting to learn. welcome to the world-wide awakening on the islam cult. even Muslim men are starting to realize in their born into the islam cult imprisoned states what muslim women always knew behind their burkhas and scars but are too scared to say it .islam is evil. And evil is rising.
Mother nature is trying her level best to eradicate islam from her body but it's taking too much time.. Maybe we should give her a helping hand ..after all she taught us the secrets of the atom.. Time to use the atomic stuff to eradicate this evil. Once and for all. Let us give mother nature a helping hand before all her body gets covered with the islamic eczema and she has to wear a burkha...god forbid.
The dirtiest and filthiest stone in the world is in mecca.
The faster we get rid of islam the better it is for all of us . Think of all the money we'll save..
A group of muslims is called “a fester of muslims.”.
Let them build the mosque at ground zero. Taller than the towers. it’s fine. let bark Hussein oh!bama build a mosque on the white house lawns.. Taller than the white house. it’s fine. let prince Charles build one on the palace lawns. taller than the palace. it’s fine. let the pope build a mosque on the Vatican grounds. taller than the Vatican building. it’s fine ..the more mosques the better and the taller they are the better.. That is the only way common people will start seething at intrusive and evil islam. I predict that within a 100 years there will be no mosques left in this world and there will be no islam on the planet because saudi arabia and the muslim countries will be wiped out by the anger of the rest of the planet's non muslim people. Islam is in it's death swirl. but it is dying with a lot of blood and shouts. but it is definitely dying.. The mask of religion it has been hiding behind will soon be lifted off by the courts around the world.. People including muslims who actually think out of the box of islam are starting to see islam for what it is. Islam is a robber cult started by a women-hating mass murderer and a legendary pedophile amongst other things. Islam's days are numbered.. Let us help them build their mosques so we can pull them down en-masse. Their daggers are out but we have our bulldozers and our logic.
DO NOT BE AFRAID TO CALL ISLAM EVIL OR DIRTY OR FILTHY OR GUTTER CREED SLIME. THE KORAN CALLS ALL OTHER FAITHS AND PEOPLE AND COLORS VERY DIRTY NAMES . BLACK PEOPLE ARE RAISIN-HEADS AND ONLY TO BE SLAVES EVEN IF MUSLIM IN FILTHY ISLAM. JEWS ARE PIGS AND MONKEYS ACCORDING TO CREEPY ISLAM. AND THE LIST IS ENDLESS. READ IT FOR YOURSELVES. GO AHEAD FEEL FREE .CHECK OUT WHO YOU ARE IN THE GUTTER SLIME OF ISLAM. THESE DIRTY DEGENERATE TERMS WERE COOKED UP ON A DAILY BASIS BY THAT TOTAL PSYCHO MOHAMMAD IN THE DESERT HEAT AROUND NOTHING BUT SAND AND LOTS OF SPARE TIME. MOHA-MAD BOY IS THE CLASSIC TEXTBOOK CASE OF AN IDLE MIND AND HANDS BEING THE DEVIL’S WORKSHOP.
EXCESSIVE PRAYING IS A SIGN OF LAZINESS.
ISLAM HAS NO PRAYER ACTUALLY. ISLAM HAS JUST A BUNCH OF SLOGANS ABOUT A COOKED UP EVIL NUT CALLED ALLAH WHO’LL KILL THEM IF THEY DIDN’T AND HOW STUPID EVERYONE ELSE IS. IF ISLAM HAD NOT BEEN COOKED UP AND MO-BOY HAD NOT HAD SUCH AN ACTIVE AND EVIL IMAGINATION ARABS WOULD HAVE PETERED OUT AND GOT LOST IN THE TESTICLES OF DECENT MEN. BUT THIS DID NOT HAPPEN AND ISLAM IS NOW SUCH A PROBLEM BECAUSE DECENT MEN HAVE BEEN DECEIVED BY IT . THE FLASHPOINT IS BEING REACHED. DARK TIMES ARE COMING. DECENT MEN WILL HAVE TO FIGHT TOO. CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS LOVELY PLANET WITHOUT ISLAM. ISLAM IS A HERITAGE VANDAL. LIKE A RAMPANT GENETICALLY DEFECTIVE MONKEY IN A CHINA SHOP. AND RABID TO BOOT. THINK OF ALL THE CULTURES OF MAJESTIC INDIA LEFT IN PLACE INSTEAD OF THIS MESS YOU SEE IN THE NAME OF MURDERERS . REAL MAJESTIC INDIA IS AND WAS PRE-ISLAM VANDALISM. THINK OF BEAUTIFUL EUROPE IF THESE MUSLIM MONKEYS HAD NOT BEEN INVENTED IN THE DESERT HEAT AND DUST .THINK OF ALL THE BUDDHIST ART IN STONE ISLAM HAS DEPRIVED US OF APPRECIATING. THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE WAS MAGNIFICENT. DESTROYED BY ISLAM. ACCORDING TO ISLAM ONLY ARABIC SCRIBBLINGS IS ART AND THE BIGGER ALLAH IS WRITTEN THE MORE BEAUTIFUL IT IS …..YEAH SURE ! ISLAM NEEDS TO BE PUT TO SLEEP. I CAN’T IMAGINE THE BLOOD-SHED BUT IT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN.
PRIMITIVE MAN WILL SURFACE FROM MODERN MAN TO CHALLENGE AND LANCE ONCE AND FOR ALL THE PRIMITIVE CULT OF ISLAM AT IT’S OWN GUTTER LEVEL. ISLAM IS THE NEXT SMALL POX THIS PLANET HAS TO ERADICATE. ONCE ISLAM IS OUT OF THE PLANETARY SYSTEM PC WILL ONCE AGAIN BE COOL AND GOOD MANNERS. WATCH !
The spreading of Islam by the sword, which by some estimates left 270 million non-muslims like you and me dead and millions more like us enslaved over the past 14 centuries, is a historical fact that is sanitized from most public school and university textbooks.
The tolerance of Islamism intolerance is not tolerance but cultural suicide.
Because Muslim men don't see enough of women, little boys begin to look awfully pretty.
Radical Muslim groups encourage women to cover their faces and even conceal the shape of their shoulders by using layers of drapes.
It's a mistake to view the hijab or burkha or forced head scarves as a "personal freedom,"
"it is rather a declaration of extremism."
Islam has been at war with the whole planet since 1400 years. Islam is a genocidal cult with a billion members who want you dead or forcibly converted.
Why is “kill all the unbelievers wherever you find them” so hard to understand?
Excellent post, Mehdi.
Martel - er, what are you actually saying?
Joe Cool - great post!
Dr Music - what can I say?
Mehdi - yes, where are the Muslims on the streets protesting against the murders of Shias by Sunnis in Pakistan? The truth is that Islamic fundamentalists only give a damn about the killing of Muslims when it is done by non-Muslims, be it in Kashmir or Afghanistan. The proof - Over a million Muslims died in the Iran-Iraq wars; more Palestinians died at the hands of Jordan in 1970 than were ever killed by Israels; the Pakistan Taleban have murdered thousands of other Muslims - Ahmadis, Sufis, Shias...you dont ever hear the Muslim Council of Britain, or the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, or Islamic Human Rights Watch (sic) unambiguously condemn these acts of murder or terrorby Muslims on Muslims.
Mehdi, at heart the problem with Islam and its believers is this: your faith is un-reformed, and until it is totally reformed in the way that christianity was forced to do from the 16th century onwards, then it will always attract and give life to murderous jihadists, misogynists, homophobes, veil-wearing hardcore masochists...
Reform Islam is the solution to most of the problems in the so-called Muslim world. Islam and Muslims should first of all sign up to freedom of religion and not threaten to harm, hurt and kill Muslims who choose to leave their faith - this is a basic, really, but yet today most Muslim scholars say that apostasy should be punished with death. This is unacceptable practice by any religion! If Islam is reformed along these lines, then there may be hope that it can live peacefully with people of other religions and none, if not, then....
And political Islam should be banished forever - the religion must be a spiritual one, and not get involved in any way with the state or with politics: it may not agree with modern human rights - womens equality, gay equality, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, childrens rights - but it must never be allowed to trump those rights in the name of Islam - no sharia, no honour violence, no female genital mutilation.
Christianity was forced to reform itself through the rise of Protestantism, science and the enlightenment: nowadays very few Christians sign up to Pastor Jones style fundamentalsim and extremism - whereas across the world many millions of Muslims actively sign up to hardcore extremism, fundamentaliism and terrorism - from support for suicide bombing to murderous Sharia law.
Mehdi, this is the only way forward for your religion - it must accept the modern world and modern human rights, - long fought for and hard earned universal rights which in the end are also yours.
It will take another 15 years or so for the planet to wake up completely and as one to realize that Islam is not a religion at all but a mass murdering cult started by a very disturbed evil murderer and pedophile that has spiraled out of control. The source of this evil is Mecca and this will have to be vaporized and all the mosques on the planet will have to be razed to the ground. All the Korans and all their evil cult literature will have to be burnt and only then will peace come. About 2 billion Muslims will have to be killed. There seems to be absolutely no option to this scenario. Muslim means violent-cult member and violent cults cannot co-exist with the rest of this planet in this day and age. Think about it ..their population is spiraling and our resources are dwindling and these insane cult members are looking forward to Armageddon. We should give it to them. Let their evil day dreams come true. WHEN WILL THIS START ? WHEN THE COURTS START INFORMING THE GENERAL POPULACE ABOUT THIS CULT. RIGHT NOW WE ARE JUST UNVEILING THE CULT'S FACE .. SLOWLY….SLOWLY… SOON THE TITLE OF RELIGION WILL BE SHORN AWAY FROM IT AND ISLAM WILL PERMANENTLY BE LABELED A CULT. THE MASQUERADE WILL BE OVER AND THE REAL FIGHT WILL START. As it is today the term "muslim" in the free world is a spittoon and an insult. Blood will have to flow. is there another way ? The Gaia theory guy Lovestock says there should be 1 billion people max on this planet. Today there are nearly 7 billion.. If we minus 2 billion Muslims = 5 billion. 5 billion peaceful people on the planet will be a tight squeeze but it'll be cool. Let us cull these cult members from this lovely planet for their sakes as their evil book instructs them to be evil and not co-exist with the rest of the planet. Let us send them on their way to their evil Allah. Call it pest control or what you will but it will have to be done. Dark times are coming and come they will. A few years back thinking like this would have been ridiculous but with every passing day we encounter more and more of these made-mad-by-Islam people who refuse to live in the present and refuse to see the madness in their thoughts and actions. Locking them up means feeding them and spending resources that could be used for good and science otherwise. Science is anathema to them and the dirty years of their pedophile and mass murdering leader is the only era to live in ..so be it... Let's get rid of them. Anyone can start an evil cult but everyone can stop it. if anyone has another option that would make more sense let me know. I'm not an Israeli but if anyone should start this mass cull it should be Israel because when the evil mad man was alive and spewing at them they didn't knock him off and look what's happened. It's never too late to stamp out filthy evil. Never too late. We all, bar none will help the Israelis.. We have to ..for our sakes and for the good of children and this lovely planet. It is said that blood always flows where Muslims go...soon blood will flow where Muslims have gone but it will be Muslim blood that will flow. Non-Muslim good blood will also flow in the fight back by evil but that is expected. We live in interesting times. Get ready boys and girls ..our grand-children will thank us but first we have some sincere work to do even if it repulses us. Such is life. After dark comes light and only after Islam is smashed will come peace for our children's children. We have to make this happen. And the only way it’s not going to is if we leave any Muslims alive. 2+2=4, so few Muslims =few mosques , therefore more Muslims= more mosques , so no Muslims = no mosques .
So in conclusion : no Muslims= no evil Islam = peace on earth and living in peace with science and joy and laughter.
Class over. for today . Don’t forget your homework boys and girls. Read up more on the evil cult of Islam.
Daisy khan is absolutely right..we all hate hate hate islam.. Have no doubt about it..all this pc crap about islam being a religion was started in europe and by the brits too and now islam is biting them on their arses with it's rabid mouth and stinking putrifying but still not dead body..daisy khan is right right right.. We all hate islam and all all all muslims because we all know how evil islam it is.
Thank you daisy for clearing this up.
When moha-mad was alive and spewing crap about the jews the jews didn't knock him off. When hitler spewed about the jews the jews didn't knock him off. Now that nut-job in iran is spewing and the jews are again doing nothing. Islam has a saying,first comes saturday then comes sunday and all the way to friday which they think they own. So first they'll kill the jews then they'll kill the christians,then they'll kill all the hindus and then some other people till only muslims are left ! Israel has to wipeout mecca and medina nobody cares about saudi arabia. So be it. The muslim fundamental belief is that mecca has some sort of allah shield over it. Wipe it out !! Everybody on the planet will be grateful to israel. There will be nobody to say sorry to and life will be cool after the mullahs in iran wake up to the fact that allah crapped in his pants and islam is actually moha-mad's turd that they've been swallowing for 1400 filthy years. We will all help and thank israel but israel has to start the bombing. Now is a good time as any.moha-mad was a repressed killjoy; and a liar, thief, con man, pedophile, misogynist pig -- and to top it all off, a mass murderer as well. Yeah he was such a well-rounded evil person. And anyone following his example is evil, too."
There are some decent muslims—but they are decent *in spite of* their religion. I imagine many of them in fact feel quite guilty acting like decent human beings, because they must know in many cases it is "un-islamic".
All muslim men should be given a couple of tight slaps on their faces by women and children and told to disband and follow some other way of life that does not oppress women and children. .muslim males can strut around like peacocks and the women are dressed in garbage bag attire. Islam is a cult . It is not a religion. It is a cult that was started by an evil man for evil men to continue and breed evil men while women are treated as slaves. Cults are defined as cults because to leave one is to invite death by other cult members. Got it ?? A religion one can leave anytime ..a cult you can leave only when you die, welcome to islam.
Muslims and islam have murdered over 270 million people over islam's 1400 years of murderous existence. Muslim-wipe out is imminent. When you kill rats and vermin(pests) you don't see whether they are males or females or baby rats.. All have to fry. Same will happen to islam ..only then peace will come. The essence of war is violence, and moderation in war is stupidity.
Please google khomeini's evil green book in which he explains everyday islam and how you should sexually violate very young children and mate with animals etc..it is actually very funny but then you realise that this is actually what is going on in the closed out of control islam cult. Our children are doomed . Has everyone on the planet read this? It is the very evil koran simplified by a very evil man to generate even more evil members.
This book should be given to world leaders to read. Please post one to all your politicians and judges and to your friends.
Very essential reading today for a better tomorrow for our children.
Islam is evil and evil is rising.
Know your children's enemy now !!!
The essence of war is violence, and moderation in war is stupidity.
@ EIS
@ Imranp
Islam is a sham, a fraud, a fake religion.
Read your own Koran. It has 123 verses that call for the killings of all non-Mulims.
Don't I know? I am an ex Muslims and a former Muslim cleric.
Its pretty obvious that you never read your own koran.
There are only two types of Muslims - a jihadist and a hypocrite - see your hadith by Bukhari and Tabari and the Koran itself...its a crying shame you don't even read and know your own Koran.
Islam is a fake, a sham and a fraud. Period!!
i just find this whole frenzy in the media of this book burning frankly boring and tediious.just observe in the media this frenzy of hatred directed at the pope and catholics in the last few weeks and one may deduct that muslims and catholics have become the new bogeymen and catholicaphobia should rank alongside islamaphobia
@ EIS
@ Imranp
There are 114 verses in the Koran of which:
123 verses call for the killing of all non-Muslims
21 verses of swearing to the moon, sun, pen, mountain, valley etc etc
Every fifth verse is meaningless
It has got its facts wrong scientifically, historically, geographically
It is written 200 years after the death of Mohammad in Kufa, Iraq, purely based on hearsays.
Bukhari said "Mohammad paid a Jewish boy" to wtite the Koran for him.
It is NOT authentic - per Ebrahim Moosa, Professor of Religious Studies, Duke University and Muslim Cleric.
Five different versions of Koran were written down 200 years after the fact - Caliph Uthman chose one and burnt the rest.
So @EIS @ Imranp
Don't I know your sham religion?
Its is a fake and a fraud. Period
@ Joe Bone - spot on.
Islam is a bogus religion.
The only thing that is clear inside the Koran is the call to kill all non-Muslims. Period
@ EIS
@ Imranp
Where there is Islam, there is violence, murder, kidnapping, rape, and trouble.
Thats what Mohammad, the first paedophile and child molester did, and thats what his followers do now.
It is a religion for Jinn (satan) and not for human. It glories violence, murder, rape, ransoming, extortion, paedophile, beheadings etc etc.
@ EIS
@ Imranp
Its a crying shame that you don't even know your own religion. Do you really thing that you can fool the world by saying that Islam is a religion of peace?
There is only one verse that talk of peace and that is even copied directly from a Jewish Fable, Sanhedrin 4.5.
Team Islam glorifies violence, rape, murder, beheadings, killing - just like what Mohammad did!
Islam is a sham, bogus and fake!!
Wake up. I REPEAT, READ YOUR HADITHS AND YOUR QUORAN!!!! Its a pack of shit and garbage
hasan ..my boy/dude...if you've read all the filth and crap in the holey koran WTF are you still doing in the islam cult ? oh...are you scared your fellow thuggies will come and murder you as instructed in the holey koran...
just answer this one question hasan the wanna be cool dude but can't be because he's stuck in the insane islam cult...generated in insanity for breeding insanity.
doing.
When i write this i'm speaking for the rest of the planet that is not muslim and never will be .
We read with real sadness in our hearts everyday about muslims killing muslims in small numbers.
We are waiting for the day when they start hitting the million plus figure on a regular daily basis.
What can we do to help them reach those daily millions of muslims killed by muslims targets?
Shall we give them more ammo or more money ?
Shall we print more evil korans and evil khomeini's evil green book in dirty arabic and in English and whatever language they prefer just so that muslims can kill each other more and more ?
When will these sweet daydreams of the rest of the planet that wants to live in peace on a muslim free planet come to be real?
When will we read the good news that all muslims have wiped themselves out in their sweet bloodlust and all the arabs are gone too ..
Oh….when will iran bomb saudi arabia and the rest of the middle east so that it can bask in the afterglow of the 12th MADDY that they're all waiting for ?
Oh to hear the elusive good news on a daily basis .
hasan my dude/boy ...First things first .. The koran is not a holy book..it is the most evil and racist and sexist book ever written. It is a slur to the written word. It is an insult to human intelligence. Have no doubt. Read it to disbelieve it . All muslims should be trying to get out of islam's clutches . All muslims should be trying to get out of islam's clutches not only for their sake and their children's sake but for the sake of their forefathers and foremothers who were converted to this evil and vile cult by the sword and fright. Forget christianity if it’s such a big issue .muslims need to move out en masse to something like buddhism. Or mass suicide. One can only hope.
Muslims should start realising that their forefathers were forced into this blood thirsty cult by blood and sword.they became muslims out of fear not because they loved islam. The new generation should set their forefathers' and foremothers’ mistakes right by getting out of islam en masse (in big groups) and returning to their old peacefull religions of their great great grand parents before the muslims came and turned their lives and morals upside down. Whatever is preached in that cult is the exact opposite of what good people and citizens should be. Start the change now. Only the muslims can help themselves smash this evil cult that has got them and their women and children by the throats.
The west should be helping muslims with a free service or a nominal charged service which could trace each of their ancestral roots or religion practiced before they had to bow to allah or die horribly. Then the choice would be theirs to continue in this evil cult or opt out to what was their lifestyle or religion before the madness came. The service could be called “before the madness”. The educated west has to help these barbaric people see the light of peace and laughter so their children and women may appreciate the sunlight which is our planet’s birthright.
EIS
Simple question do Muslims and non- Muslims have equal status under Muslim/Sharia law?
yes or no?
As a matter of fact, in any free society people must have absolute right to freel;y critiocise any religion, INCLUDING ISLAM.
I guess I am cheerful about it because in my own country, India, Islam has tough times to face.
In India, Islam knows what it is dealing with. Different, very different.
Mehdi.
Seem you read the Pakistan Daily.
Plagiarism you decide.
http://www.daily.pk/the-quran-burning-sign-of-things-to-come-21781/
Also all the verse quoted are abrogated(canceled)in Islam by later far less peaceful verses.
SEE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naskh_%28tafsir%29
Some examples of intra-Qur'ānic abrogation are:
* Verse: Q.9:5 (āyat al-sayf, the "sword verse")
o Abrogatee (mansūkh): Literally dozens of verses enjoining the umma's peacable conduct towards outside groups: Hibat Allāh and al-Nahhās cite 124 and 130 verses, respectively.
Ibn al Jawzī and Mustafā Zayd count 140 verses and Ibn Kathir says in his Tafsir that 9.5 abgrogated
"It abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty, and every term."
* Verse: Q.9:29
o Abrogatee: "Nahhās considers 9:29 to have abrogated virtually all verses calling for patience or forgiveness toward People of the Book".
""...Forgive them and overlook their misdeeds, for Allah loves those who are kind (Quran 5:13)."
The Quran can talk the talk, but Muslims like Mehdi can't walk the walk. Your attempted veneer of journalistic integrity is pathetic. You're busted Mehdi, deal with it. You make the NS look like a third rate tabloid.
Hold it! Abraha the king of Yemen tried to destroy the mosque that Abraham built in Mecca-Kaaba- and what befell him? Read it and ponder..the same will befall Americans who support this tweet idiot TERRY JONES.............Abraha, incensed, launched an expedition of forty thousand men against the Kaaba at Mecca, led by a white elephant named Mahmoud (and possibly with other elephants - some accounts state there were several elephants, or even as many as eight)[1][2]) in order to destroy the Kaaba. Several Arab tribes attempted to fight him on the way, but were defeated.
Abraha's elephant is supposed to have refused to cross the boundary of Mecca and sat down. It could not be persuaded otherwise, either by reason or violence. The accounts state that if the elephant was turned towards Syria or Yemen it would walk without hesitation, but when it was turned towards the Kaaba it would kneel on its knees as if it would adore the city that its master was intent on destroying[verification needed].
When news of the advance of Abraha's army came, the Arab tribes of Quraysh, Banu Kinanah, Banu Khuza'a and Banu Hudhayl united in defense of the Kaaba. A man from the Himyar tribe was sent by Abraha to advise them that Abraha only wished to demolish the Kaaba and if they resisted, they would be crushed. Shaiba ibn Hashim (also known as `Abdu'l-Muttalib) told the Meccans to seek refuge in the hills while he with some leading members of Quraish, remained within the precincts of the Kaaba. Abraha sent a dispatch inviting `Abdu'l-Muttalib to meet with Abraha and discuss matters. When `Abdu'l-Muttalib left the meeting he was heard saying, "The Owner of this House is its Defender, and I am sure He will save it from the attack of the adversaries and will not dishonor the servants of His House."History man refer ............ Hussein from Tanzania
could you explain to me daulat ram what you mean by in india,islam knows what it is dealing with,i would be very interested to know what you mean by that.
Felix is a boring Islamophobe. Probably a member of the BNP.
What a boring loser