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"....might I suggest that her not gaining a seat at Dewsbury and losing by over 5000 votes suggests that the people have indeed spoken as to her capabilities, talents and political promise"
You probably have a very limited understanding of democracy. Loosing one election is nothing....time change, people change, people view on other people change.
Look at Bush or Obama for that matter. Both were elected, but Bush made it nearly impossible for Rep. to come to power and now the similar thing is happening with Obama.
And look Labour gave us an unelected PM Brown...which is far worse as far as frauds go.
There's more to the democratic deficit in the UK than meets the eye:
http://anguslamond.wordpress.com/campaign-for-‘one-person-one-vote’-democracy-in-cornwall and the uk/
If the Baroness has any proof what so ever that fraud has taken place, it is her first and foremost duty to report it to the police. She as a lawyer should know that
The Tories have improved on the numbers of their Black and Asian MPS but its not enough eg Priti Patel in Witham, a largely white constituency in Essex and some chap in Windsor. So it is possible. BAME candidates should not just be restricted to 'ethnic' constituencies. A number of newer Labour MPS have been returned to largely white constituencies which is a very good sign.
I often wonder how Diane Abbott or Keith Vaz would fare in these type of constituencies. But its too late for Warsi. Once a Baroness, always a Baroness, until they change the law.
It is clear from the vitriol you have directed towards me and Lou that you are incapable of engaging in sensible poltical debate. Little wonder that you find BW such an attractive figure. (mirroring your own form of sniping and back biting is clearly what you feel comfortable with.
Proof of your inability to debate in a grown up manner can be found in your references to Obama. Surely you are not comparing BW to Obama. You really have lost it!!!!!
vitriol, is a bit strong word, dont you think? or is it that...loosing an argument not sound tolerable?
Enjoy your evening. Bye.
Warsi may have a point but postal election fraud is probably more rampant and much harder to prove.
On another level, Warsi has no electoral legitimacy and should be careful about comments unless she has the evidence to underpin her allegations. She seems to be intent on telling other people how to conduct their lives and at the same time decries the elders of some minority communities by saying that they have no mandate for their comments. Perhaps she needs to reflect more on her own role to ensure that she is not being 'used' politically.
Fraud? That's a good one. Just for how long are we expected to take these elite, unelected, mystically appointed 'leaders' seriously? It irritates the life out of me to listen to their frequent partisan pronouncements, as they sit there in the legislature representing nobody.
Arguably, Warsie is just another example of selection by race and gender, with as much credibility as the clutch of drivelling clerics.
Except that Staggers have just revealed the wonderful BW has pulled out of tonight's QT.
Seems that her star isn't twinkling quite so brightly at Tory HQ afterall RK.
Saeeda Warsi is a vacuous loudmouth who seems incapable of uttering anything of substance . If there has been fraud why is she harbouring the criminals by not giving the evidence to the police? Are the Tories happy to have someone representing them who harbours criminals?
Surely you are not comparing BW to Obama. You really have lost it!!!!!
Offcourse not. Obama is a proven flop show. About BW, we do not know yet.
Limited? Is that your best shot? Self analysis?
Times do indeed change, views do also - Clegg's a brilliant example that such a thing is possible - but I doubt very much that Warsi's political star will shine more than it currently does and this is her zenith politically.
By the way Churchill and Lloyd George were originally unelected PMs taking over war coalitions in WW1 and 2 and how about Stanley Baldwin and Anthony Eden, Campbell Bannerman who only called elections after coing to power?
I absolutely agree with PuppetClegg. Does it not speak volumes about David Cameron's judgement too in selecting an Asian woman who has little support within her own community. Publish what you know BW or be prepared to be interviwed by the police. Correct me if I am wrong, but witholding information from the police when a potential crime has taken place, is a criminal offence in itself. Surely BW would know this on account of her lawyer credentials.
@Lou, you have the right to doubt, as I have right to hope and believe. Both may change.
Conservatives have right to give her a chance and if she proves able and capable, that is what should count. Not some media image.
Your examples about Churchill etc are good....which infact demonstrates that there are many strands of democracy. Citing one election defeat is therefore a poor way of judging some-ones abilities.
BW reminds us why the House Of Lords needs to go!!!!!!!!!
Bye for now. Enjoy yourself guys.
It is known that any electoral fraud ALWAYS concerns Pakistanis. Just google it and you will see the history, it happens from a micro level to a macro level.
Actually, I am a woman!!!!!
This article highlights some of the issues.
You have your own argument on non elected PMs shot down in flames and then twist your previous arguments to suit that new found education on political history - that being your 'many strands of democracy' comment at 16.43 when earlier you were protesting the lack of democracy regarding Brown's position as PM (16.14) whilst being somewhat disparaging about my limited understanding of democracy.
My entering into the debate with you was not on her right to be given a chance by the Cons as you have only just put forward, it was about you saying about the underhanded way Ed M got elected,then your comments re PM Brown's election and your suggestion that the people should decide if BW was talented or not. I cited her one defeat because that is the people speaking as you suggested they should be able to.
Yes RK though, you absolutely have evey right to believe and hope. I don't share that hope and belief where BW is concerned.
I think BW,for now and until the next faux pas, is an exhausted subject on my part.
she may have a point
doesn't make me accept it though
unfair advantages of wealth outweigh any allegations she makes
if she's suggesting that patriarchs in asian households organise postal votes for the whole family then the fraud is equally spread surely?
The tories need to stop whining that they couldn't secure a majority and face facts. even with the most unpopular labour gvt in history, they still could not match a landslide. Even with the massive donations by lord ashcroft for their campaign, it didn't work and was just a source for (rather hilarious) vandalism. Not saying electoral fraud has never happened- in fact it probably happened before 1997. However, they are in govt now and need to do their jobs.
Warsi can shut it too. Never elected as an MP, put into the cabinet not because of her skill, but her race and gender, and on almost every tv appearance, talks nothing but shit. Even against Nick Griffin, she was mediocre.
Perhaps when she actually gets to grip with politics and yknow, wins a seat, her opinions will mean something.
Postal vote fraud and the asian community go hand in hand like china and rice.
But let's be fair, it's not all the asian's though is it?
Just the Pakistani's - the ones who have solidly and unquestioningly propped up the Labour party for the last 60 odd years.
After all The Times told us that the UK's Ballot security was ‘worse than Kenya’ May 9, 2010.
There were also persistent rumours that 27 voters were registered to a single London flat.
The system is open to manipulation - remember how George Bush stole the election in 2000?
P.S. Mehdi Hasan - Great work on your TV/Radio appearances of late!
Baroness Warsi would do well to reflect that Conservative Councillor
s in Bradford are doing time for Electoral fraud.
Well, she has to say something after the massive bollocking the party took from Ashcroft.
Andrew - indeed. In order to have mad a significant difference to the elction result (i.e. a tory majority) we are looking at electoral fraud not seen since the heyday of the rotten boroughs.
And Richard, I agree, it's stupid of Mehdi not to have asked for evidence (perhaps he did not want to spoil what sounded like a scoop). Collapse of journalistic faculties there.
I expect she believes she only lost Dewsbury in 2005 because pro-Labour of fraud too.
That said, we need to think long and hard about abolishing postal votes and replacing them with visiting vote-takers. Postal fraud, at the fringes, is a problem.
End all postal voting and make everybody dip their finger in purple ink, of course some Labour supporters engaged in electoral fraud.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.