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@Bucksins you are an example of why inbreeding is bad
Max the sad benefits scrounger, who spends his days being Islamaphobic. Get a job you amoeba
All I know is that the Koran dictates that
Muslims murder / kill all christians, jews and Infidels.
So frankly, I don't give a damn about ramadam or anything else regarding Islam, a faith that encourages murder. Some religion, some Gd?
''the sad benefits scrounger, who spends her days being Islamic. Get a job you amoeba.''
Alesandra talking about herself, SHE'S the one who spends her days being islamic. Yawn.
And that is that !!
"Perhaps they could stop the scare-mongering that has the masses believing that Shariah law will consume us all. And perhaps, they could start acting like the rationalists they loudly proclaim themselves to be."
blue berry,You tell us all not to be concernsd about sharia,
So may I ask you what is the purpose and aim of sharia law?
I AWAIT A RATIONAL ANSWER.
I worked with someone who took a Norwegian holiday during one a winter Ramadan. His reasoning was not just having more darkness but the unappetising nature of Scandinavian cuisine would strengthen his resolve not to eat anything.
Enough with all this deep stuff. What do you do if you live in Alaska, where summer days can be like 23 hours long?
Ramadan is about eating less than you normally would, so you can save some food or money etc to share, share with poors. MOST muslims understood this.
Mehdi said; " I eat so much every night, at iftar time, to compensate for not having eaten all day!" THIS is NOT good as it makes Ramadan meaningless.
Those of you (Dorian,Enquirer, DEs Desmona, Daniel, et al) who changed their names from "communists" to "atheist" or what ever, I WANT to tell you that you will always remain ignorant, illiterat, arrogant, weak-mined, credulous, simple, cheap and ............. unless you educate yourselves, I am sorry but your future seem very grim, unless you educate yourselves.
Answer to Norway Question by Farouq;
in places where the sun doesn't sit, or the day is really long like 18,19,20 hours or even more. You fast the same hours as you would in a nighbouring country,where they have normal day and night, or the same hours as people in Saudi Arabia.
For those of you who don't believe in GOD and mock the believers, I want to ask you;
If a blind person doesn't see the SUN is that mean the Sun does't exist?
Someone mention Dawkins, I have a bad news for you!! He eventually started to believe in super-natural. He said" DNA could have been brought to earth by aliens".
Some of you guys are very intolerant, I suggest you need to attend BNP dinners, as that is the only place where you are wellcomed.
Ramadan Mubarak to Mehdi and All Muslims.
The likelyhood of Shariah law being implemented in the UK is close to nill. I was merely pointing out how irresponsible it was of some secular groups to suggest, however implicitly, that imposition of shariah law in the UK is a distinct possibility. It isn't.
As for your question,this BBC article may be of use:
I'm fed up with this. I'm off down Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese for a pint and a packet of pork scratchings.
The intolerants always see Islam as an outsider religion,
But The Question is where did Christianity come from?
the same for Judaism?
The answer is NOT from Derby, or Yorkshire!!
"Religion is a good thing for good people and a bad thing for bad people".
Used to be religious, attended Church every Sunday with my family. The older I got the more I questioned religion. The current state of the World has put me off religion completely.
We Fast not because it has benefits BUT because Allah says so.
Ramadan teaches Muslims to have self-restrain, in addition to other benefits it has.
If rapest had self-control then, thuasands of females would not get raped in this country and surely we would not be in the top ten for rape cases in the world.
We would not have as much crime if criminals had self-restrain.
more benefits of Ramadan...
Mind you, you shouldn't have given away the location. You might have ASK down there berating you. I think he wants to make a movie 'Fast Hard'
See, it's stuff like this that's gets up peoples noses. Bloody hell, you're even having a pop at Mehdi!! lol.
Save your preaching for the mosque ASK.
Who needs the Masons when we have Islam.
How very reassureing to read those above (and I am not talking spiritually)who believe that it is far more important to explain the intricacies of the need to fast than to address the very real problem of their brothers and sisters suffering under the various totallitarian Islamic States.Don't worry I don't expect a response I know I am talking to myself and have been for the past 2 Hours.
I do know my place as a secomdary modern kid who worked for 43 years befor being lucky enough to take retiremnt. Why would you bother to interact with me.
Please listen to the audio at the bottom of the page for a little sanity,the first few minutes by Tim Winter are a hoot remember he is a 'moderate' Muslim!
The text is pretty good as well still smooths over some issues.
"I can't speak for others but I always end up putting on weight because I eat so much every night... few Muslims treat Ramadan as a period of dieting, or use the fast to lose weight."
At least you are honest!
Ramadan was meant to be a month of fasting that would produce empathy with the poor,in fact it has become a whole month of 'Christmas dinners'.
Visit Egypt over this time and you will see how Muslim 'inflate' over this blessed month.
OIC money for Pakistan ?
OIC money for Pakistan?
The Orkney Islands Council is doing everything it can.
I eat breakfast at 8am and lunch at 1pm and supper at 7pm. In between these times I eat nothing. The question is, Am I fasting between these times or just not eating.
Oh and ask
In answer to your question
'If a blind person doesn't see the SUN is that mean the Sun does't exist?'
No. The sun exists, as proven by all physical and scientific evidence.
Would you like to go over to the Fait Pages and read the debate raging over the BK's and yet another religion claiming they are the only way to GOD?
You'll have to join the queue on that claim me old son.
"Herein lies the secret of the strength of higher-tension religious groups"
listen and learn.
Speaking as an atheist…. few things get on my tits quite as much as Faith Atheists blathering on, when there are far more important things to worry about.
It seems to me that by and large people seem to feel the need to believe in some stuff or other…. always have done…. probably always will. Sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's something else.
There are probably plenty of respects in which various aspects of faith are at worst benign and at their best entirely positive.
Christ knows (so to speak) I find it hard to stomach the hypocrisy and intolerance to be found in certain quarters of the world's great organised religions…. but then again, it's not as if we haven't had the occasional, genocidal, tyrannical atheist throughout history, using political doctrines as an excuse to do their worst.
Some of Mehdi’s language in this blog might come across as being a little on the hectoring side….but personally he strikes me as a being good advert for religious- faith (not that I shall be signing up at any time soon).
What harm is there in better understanding how other people see the world through their eyes?
However, seeing the world through the eyes of a Tory…. that's where I really struggle.
Do people really find it so hard to be civil? Swearing is superfluous, I infer that the majority of these posts are written with such contempt of others that the people writing them can hardly call themselves left-wing, if they do claim to be so.
@ Alistair Gordon and Plumber
Two in a row made me laugh out loud.
@ des demona, felix, dave and all the other trolls here:
@ Medhi, is that your sarcasm about british culture? We know what you actually think from your video about non-muslims.
You compare non-muslims to "animals" and non-muslims having "diseased minds"
This is you in the video and you can't deny that.
To speed it up start at 1.04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPeyxJ7vGU
Alistair Gordon @
nice joke, but for those with less humor.
Organisation of the Islamic Conference
OIC created the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam.While proponents claim it is not an alternative to the UDHR, but rather complementary, Article 24 states "All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari'ah." and Article 25 follows that with "The Islamic Shari'ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification of any of the articles of this Declaration." Attempts to have it adopted by the United Nations Human Rights Council have met increasing criticism, because of its contradiction of the UDHR, including from liberal Muslim groups.
Critics of the CDHR state quite bluntly that it is “manipulation and hypocrisy”, “designed to dilute, if not altogether eliminate, civil and political rights protected by international law” and attempts to “circumvent these principles [of freedom and equality]”
The OIC has been cticized for diverting its activities solely on Muslim minorities within majority non-Muslim countries but putting a taboo on the plight, the treatment of ethnic minorities within Muslim-majority countries, such as the oppression of the Kurds in Syria, the Ahwaz in Iran, the Hazars in Afghanistan, the Baluchis in Pakistan, the 'Al-Akhdam' in Yemen, or the Berbers in Algeria
'People seem to feel the need to believe in somethig or other'.
A far cry from being forced to believe at peril of imprisonment or even death.
But lets not talk about that,at least, not in front of the children
Mehdi's religious beliefs don't disqualify him from being a good political commentator by themselves. What would be a problem is if those beliefs drove his political thinking.
I don't come here enough to know all his opinions, but if he wants to be a convincing radical progressive, I would expect him to oppose the way organised religion is trying to worm its way further into the public realm.
We need to fight coalition plans(tragically supported by some Labour leadership candidates) to expand the number of faith schools, which segregate our cities and destroy any hope of cohesive communities.
We need to fight the religious bodies and individuals who are arguing in the courts that their faith should allow them to commit the most horrendous acts of sexual and homophobic discrimination and bigotry.
And how Labour could leave the Bishops in the House of Lords, actually able to rule over us, I'll never know.
If Mehdi agrees that these incursions are incompatible with a just society, then he has my respect as a commentator, and can believe what he likes in hsi own life.
yousef good advice,
But you will notice I very rarely indulge in personnel abuse if that is what you are referring too,it is pointless.
Calling people trolls as you do is I am sure an Islamic compliment.
Strange you did not include Alexandra in your list as I am sure she could benefit from your good advice.
"I just do not have the time to continue this discussion" Blueberry Cream.
I bet you don't. I expect you are far too busy judging others to be uninformed philistines and constructing straw men. You have of course chosen to ignore the obvious by a more than general tarbrushing. There cannot be a much better example of an account 'devoid of substance' than the various attempts to reify the wholly evidenceless bundle of ideas the religious embrace.
You may be blissfully unaware that you follow the usual tetchy religious gameplan, with charges of simplicity or ignorance, complaints about lack, assertions of no time to respond and tangential references which lead nowhere.
"Hitler may have been a Catholic, but I doubt that his religious beliefs were, in any way, a catalyst for his crimes against humanity."
Where do I say it was? Is the hypocrisy not quite obvious enough dear? Perhaps a crass interpretation of the criminal negligence of Pope Pius XII might be elucidate the point. In early 1940, Isaac Herzog, the Chief Rabbi of Palestine, asked the papal Secretary of State, Cardinal Luigi Maglione to intercede to prevent Spanish Jews from being deported to Germany. He later made the same request for Lithuanian Jews. The papacy ignored him. The Viennese Cardinal Theodor Innitzer informed Pius XII about Jewish deportations in 1941. In 1942, the Slovakian charge d'affaires, himself supervised by the pope, announced that Slovakian Jews were being systematically deported and sent to death camps. Other examples of Catholic inhumanity in this context
are endless and when Pius finally speaks, his reasons are weak and contrived.
"...it is, of course, grossly erroneous for you to ascribe religious motives for the war crimes committed by a certain Antony Blair..."
Another straw man. Where do I 'ascribe religious motives'? Blair claims religion and then commits to a war generally regarded as illegal in which hundreds of thousands of people are killed. Clearly he must think that God is on his side and he is absolved from sin.
Bush is a practising Methodist - Speech in Washington D.C., June 1, 2004
"I believe that God wants me to be president." Not all agreed apparently:
Rev. Rich Lang, Trinity United Methodist Church Seattle:
"September 11, 2001 furthered the atrophying of democracy handing the country into the hands of an emerging Corporate (and I say Christian) Fascism. Since that time we have witnessed and have been unable to prevent the emergence of an Imperial Presidency that has the unrestricted power to declare war against any country he chooses. The Imperial Presidency has brought to an end the Constitutional mandate that only Congress has the authority to declare war. It has undermined the potential of the United Nations
to spread democracy throughout the earth. Part of the power and seduction of this administration emerges from its diabolical manipulation of Christian rhetoric. I want to flesh out the ideology of the Christian Fascism that Mr. Bush articulates. It is a form of Christianity that is the mirror opposite of what Jesus embodied. It is indeed...a perversion of Christian faith and practice."
According to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, - Bush told him:
"God told me to strike at Al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
This form of words is Biblical not political. Bush clearly believes he has a divine mission. Rather than representing the people he has awarded himself the task of transcending the will of the people. Bush pretends to knowledge of truth before the evidence is presented. He receives his instructions directly from God despite the will of those who elected him.
"I really do suggest you try and take a more holistic view of the world. Not all religions, or believers, preach intolerance."
Bullshit. Where have I suggested that 'all religions or believers preach intolerance'? If you want me to qualify with a sprinkling of 'some' I should have thought that was taken as read. What part of "Many aspects of religious faith [not all] are a disgrace and seriously affect harmony and balance in this world." have you failed to grasp?
How holistic is your notion of a 'typical populist atheist rant'. Are there typical atheists?
The fact remains that there is demonstrable evidence that religion, far from being a force for good, is used as a justification for war, a reason for ignoring the plight of others and as a means of lofty separation.
It will not have gone unnoticed that you absolutely fail to address charges of discrimination, religious crimes, offensive religious charges of immorality and 'sinning', the marginalisation of women and homosexuals etc.etc.
"...if you are sincere in establishing dialogue, and in changing views, then you must be open to a world in which people choose, of their own free will, to believe in a God and follow dogma. Religion is here to stay and you'll have to get used to it."
Your final patronising straw man. Where do I suggest that anyone is not free to follow dogma or believe in a god? You traduce me. My point of departure is exactly where religious dogma and irrationality impacts on those who do not wish to be governed or criticised by it; the point where the gabbling religious fully expect their private supernatural notions to inform social policy unquestionably.
Your presumption is palpable Ms Blueberry. I fear you may assume an intellectual role greater than you possess. Merely criticising others for ignorance in some cases can be a device for self-aggrandisement or a fairly unpleasant way of saying nothing whatsoever.
I can't bring myself to believe that somebody can call themself a true progressive or leftist, when they let their medieval superstition of an invisible imaginary friend decide the time of the day that they eat.
I sympathise with the fact that it lets you "get in touch" with the poor. I sympathise with the need for self-discipline sometimes. But if you think that right and wrong are decided by a fictional character, you have no right whatsoever to stand up and call yourself a progressive.
Are the gays okay, Mehdi? Is it okay that I drink, or is that an affront to Allah? Are the things my boyfriend and I do under the sheets, with whoever else we might choose to invite, proof that kafirs like us are corrupt? Are you okay with me and my partner adopting? Marrying? Because that's something politicians have to decide, and if you are relying on medieval fantasy stories to make your decisions, you have no place on the left.
Let the Muslims fast.Those who want to fast can fast they way they like.Those who do not want to fast so be it. Why the fuss about fasting? Mehdi Hassan is just trying to explain the Muslim fasting in simple terms. Not everyone will understand.
Medhi, I didn't know you were Muslim, I would have thought an intelligent person such as your self would be Atheist or Agnostic
only stupid people are religious
and I would say the OPPOSITE is true
being agnostic means someone who is doubtful or noncommittal about something, ie you are indecisive and that shows what a fickle person you are
Ramadhan Mubarak Mehdi, I'm gonna stop typing before I pass out from hunger...
What a load of superstitious tosh.
"I'm gonna stop typing before I pass out from hunger..."
A whole month when Muslims are basically economically and socially dysfunctional,has anyone one done a study on the cost of that lack of productivity to the country?
Go to any office,dont give that to him ,he is fasting,etc etc
I wrote a poem about the whole day of ramadhan fo 1 day so baisically its about what we do during the whole day of ramadhan
"Some people believe in God. Some people do not. It's quite a simple concept to grasp."
What is also quite simple to grasp is that these beliefs have consequences. For those people who believe them and for those that dont.
Not so simple really.
only stupid people are religious
and I would say the OPPOSITE is true.
Only religious people are stupid?
That's a bit harsh?
So why is it so important for this invisible superbeing to get worshiped day in day out by millions of people?
Alexandra, whats with all the sexual overtones in your posts? Is your cockeyed boyfriend servicing the family goat more than he is you dear?
"I must say, this online Atheist crusade is incredibly boring...Some people believe in God. Some people do not. It's quite a simple concept to grasp." Blueberry Cream.
Is there someone left who fails to grasp this? So it's perfectly acceptable to allow gutty religious dogma to haemorrhage continually into the socio-political sphere and those of us who would rather it didn't must remain silent? No doubt good old 'Blueberry Cream' would feel more comfortable having his/her own way over all matters deemed to be religious. Well THIS is a public forum about religion and its effects, toxic or otherwise - not a glee club for the back-slapping pious. All denominations, including rational people are presumably welcome.
It goes without saying that the 'on-line atheist crusade' is arguably a drop in the ocean, compared with the organised, hard-nosed intolerance expressed by the 'religious', with their endless moral criticisms, victimisation, gender prejudice, patronising proselytization, dreary accounts of hell and damnation, limitless helpings of guilt, dubious sexual expertise, rationalized bloodshed, gratuitous violence and war.
Perhaps some people claiming one religion or another really would rather close their ears and pretend that they exist in a self-congratulatory bubble of delusion. That's fine with me, just as long as they keep their nastier little ideas to themselves.
While we are at it, they might also agree to stop attacking gay people, divorcees, women and one-parent families. They might bring an end to the railroading of our educational system, by accepting money from taxpayers to fund their partial interests, whilst also being selective over who they are prepared to admit - in this simplest of concepts.
Fair enough! I certainly don't want to force my beliefs on anyone. There are unspeakable horrors perpetrated in the name of religion .... but then again there are soup kitchens and warm-cuddly community events at the other end of the scale.... people of faith quietly getting on with doing (sometimes heroic) acts of good deed.
If they are happy with their faith...fine! It doesn't do anything for me, but why should I worry.
It isn't the case, however, that we can blame all oppression in this world on religion, is it?
Mao, Pot et al...with or without religion some groups of people get together and f*** things up for the rest. How do they do it...they exploit our seemingly innate tendency to need to believe and follow...same as Al Q and the rest of 'em.
Watch this video of Medhi's moderate side.
Start 1.04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPeyxJ7vGU
''I'm asked the same bunch of questions about Ramadan by well-meaning, non-Muslim friends.
You mean kafirs Medhi, thats what you said on YouTube.
''I can't speak for others but I always end up putting on weight because I eat so much every night, at iftar time, to compensate for not having eaten all day!''
So you dont eat all day Medhi and then you stuff your gob at night, makes the fast a bit pointless, doesnt it ?
Can anyone explain why Mohammad was fasting long before he founded Islam?
It was during one of the fasting session that he went to the cave where he met Gabriel.
Could it be that fasting was a pagan ritual?
Why has Islam adopted so may pagan rituals - like fasting, washing of face, hands and legs before praying?
Moving around the Kaaba 7x to kiss or touch the black 31 inches meteorite?
Prostate position pointing to Mecca while praying - isn't Allah all hearing all knowing all wise?
Why is that Allah cannot hear your prayer if you face different direction?
Their Faith my ism if they are born out of tyrany they are equally wrong.
All I have tried to say is spare me the lecture on Rahmadin and Fasting help me to understand the state sponsored barbarism of the Irans of this world.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.