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Look at Islam as a religion. It calls for Homosexuals and adulteresses to be stoned to death(this is the policy in Iran and Afghanistan) and its founder Muhammad married a six year old!
What a foul ideology.
DACE C 'You've lied or exaggerated on one point. People can assume you're lying or exaggerating on all the rest.'
A STONES THROW IS AN EXPRESSION!
meaning not to far away,how long does it take you to walk 200 meters?
As for 200ft or 200 meters(my mistake),who cares its still too close!one or two blocks from the World Trade Center site depending on how you look at it.
see the photo, top right
ground zero sits on 16 acres (65,000 m2) the proposed mosque
is well within this picture.
I am sure you will find it.
I think its a block away from the destruction of WT 7.
And as for assumptions,I think people can make up there own minds without being told what to assume by you.
Not a very sophisticated way of trying to dispense with my points.
Which as usual are only addressed by ad hominem attacks.
Dear Nick Smith,
Strange as it may seem a agree with many of his sentiments, I just wish that Islam truly shared them,it doesn't.
Sometimes the perfect can be the enemy of the good,this is a case in point.
In his article: Just How Far Is the "Ground Zero Mosque" From Ground Zero?
Matt Sledge explores this issue:
"Why is the distance between the two sites so important? Simple accuracy, for one. It's frustrating to see so many commentators blithely disregard an obvious, physical problem with the "mosque at Ground Zero" formulation: it's not at Ground Zero."
You can see a clear map showing the two sites. There's even a video of the walk which you can view on that page or at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUYOPHxpTfU
Matt Sledge finishes, "... you can also call Ground Zero as it already exists a giant, open-air mosque. Muslim prayers are already taking place right on the edge of the construction site, and not for world domination. Families are going there to pray -- for the souls of the dozens of innocent Muslim victims who died on September 11."
I'm a New Yorker. My Son-in-Law is an FDNY fireman who was in the "hole" at Ground Zero for 40 days. So is his brother, who was missing for three days until he turned up dazed in a local hospital. No one can presume to put words in a New Yorker's mouth when it comes to Ground Zero. It's not business, it's personal. Seriously so.
That said, I am proud of Bloomberg's position in all this, He's right. Intellectually, there is no other defensible position for any American who loves freedom. However, as I said, it is personal for many of us. Here is my take regarding the mosque/cultural center.
Where are the vocal, proud Americans living in New York and the surrounding region, also Muslims, who spoke out strenuously against the Wahabbist/Jihadist perversion of their religion? Where are the reams of written documents decrying the mullahs who preach this virulence to illiterate, unemployed, marginalized young Muslim men?
If New Yorkers hurt directly by the attacks of 9-11-2001 don't welcome a sudden, movement of a Muslim organization to within sight of Ground Zero with no fanfare or community discussion before the fact, it should come as no surprise to those who planned this move.
I understand that uneducated, intolerant people demonized Muslims following the attacks, but where was the American Muslim population's voice? If they have chosen to make this their home and are citizens, then they bear a responsibility to speak out to Muslims around the world, not sit idly by protecting themselves while Pakistani children are taught that 911 was engineered by the Zionists and the CIA.
Really. If Mr. Hasan wonders why there are Americans who are angry about the location of this community center, he should realize that for many, it is personal. It will always be personal, as it should be especially for all American Muslims whether born here or immigrant.
On Sept. 11, 2001, there were innocent Muslims killed at Ground Zero as well. Many of us in New York are wondering where Muslim outrage over their deaths was publicly voiced and why there is so little being done by Muslims the world over to re-educate their marginalized brethren. Until there is a clear sign, vigorously supported by Muslim Leaders everywhere, that suicide attacks are morally indefensible, there will always be a sneaking suspicion in the minds of those who lost family members on that terrible day, whether their views are liberal or not.
Mikhail, Islam is of course a religion and it would be very nice if Muslims denounced the radicals intent unfortunately many sympathies with their aim's if not their methods.
You just need to visit the BBC re the stoning issue to discover a total absence of outraged Muslim 'moderate' voices.The tone of the Muslim response was 'mind your own business its our country we will do what we want!'
'at the hands of these turban-wearing swine'
Many Muslims no longer wear turban's though many Sikhs do,just thought I should point that out, Sikhs are not Muslims.
Many of the Sikh gurus were tortured to death by Muslim's.Starting with the 5th Guru,Muslim leaders offering 60 Rupees per turbaned head.
A museum in the Sikh Golden Temple contains many paintings of these martyrs being sawed in half, being boiled alive, being scalped, and other horrendous tortures.
Even so too this day, the great legacy of Guru Nanak is such that in addition to Sikhs, many Muslims in Pakistan and Hindus in India revere him as a Muslim Faquir and Hindu Guru respectively.
Akali Guru Amar Das Ji Maharaj (1479 -1574)He took special interest in easing the suffering of women, and stopped the ancient Indian practice of self-immolation of widows, known as 'Sati' (the burning of widow on her husband's funeral pyre). He also stopped the practice of 'Pardah' (the veiling in public of women).He encouraged education of women on equal footing with men.
Akali Guru Arjan Dev became the first Sikh martyr in 1606 when the Muslim Emperor Jahangir ordered his execution.
Guru Tegh Bahadur - Guru from 1665 to 1675. The Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb ordered Hindu temples to be destroyed and Hindu worship was to be stopped. He had a temple converted into a Mosque and slaughtered a cow inside it. He also had Hindus sacked from their government jobs and employed Muslims instead. Aurangzeb also ordered Gurdwaras to be destroyed, and he expelled many Sikh missionaries from the main cities. Despite resistance after many years of persecution, people were still being forced to take up Islam. Emperor Aurangzeb had Guru Tegh Bahadur beheaded.
... you can also call Ground Zero as it already exists a giant, open-air mosque. Muslim prayers are already taking place right on the edge of the construction site, and not for world domination. Families are going there to pray -- for the souls of the dozens of innocent Muslim victims who died on September 11."
is already a giant open air mosque !
you couldn't make it up,
The naivete of the fool.they may be praying for their own.But do you think they are praying for the souls of the kuffars!
Give me a break.
Slightly less than half the Muslims who died on 911 were the terrorist (19)who flew the planes in to the Towers.
At least 2,985 people died in the September 11, 2001, attacks, including:
* 19 terrorists
* 2,966 victims [2,998 as of Spring 2009]
All but 13 people died on that day. The remaining 13 later died of their wounds. One person has died since the attacks, of lung cancer. It is suspected to have been caused by all the debris from the Twin Towers.
There were 266 people on the four planes:
* American Airlines Flight 11 (crashed into the WTC): 92 (including five terrorists)
* United Airlines Flight 175 (crashed into the WTC): 65 (including five terrorists)
* American Airlines Flight 77 (crashed into the Pentagon): 64 (including five terrorists)
* United Flight 93 (downed in Shanksville, PA): 45 (including four terrorists)
There were 2,595 people in the World Trade Center and near it, including:
* 343 NYFD firefighters and paramedics
* 23 NYPD police officers
* 37 Port Authority police officers
* 1,402 people in Tower 1
* 614 people in Tower 2
* 658 people at one company, Cantor Fitzgerald
* 1,762 New York residents
* 674 New Jersey residents
* 1 NYFD firefighter killed by a man jumping off the top floors of the Twin Towers
There were 125 civilians and military personnel at the Pentagon.
1,609 people lost a spouse or partner on 9/11. More than 3,051 children lost parents.
While it was mostly Americans who were killed in this horrific attack, there were also 327 foreign nationals. Here is the breakdown, according to country:
Cote d'Ivoire: 1
Democratic Republic of the Congo: 2
Dominican Republic: 1
El Salvador: 1
New Zealand: 2
South Africa: 2
South Korea: 28
United Kingdom: 67
where are all the Muslim victims?
.....'to pray -- for the souls of the dozens of innocent Muslim victims who died on September 11,'
WHO'S LYING NOW! Dozens?
''Families are going there to pray -- for the souls of the dozens of innocent Muslim victims who died on September 11''
It would be nice if they prayed for the souls of the non-muslims too. Or perhaps they are not regarded as innocent?
Oh well, maybe that was what he meant to say.
Des Demona, you nailed it!
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.