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I’m afraid we have to be at the forefront of “Not in our name” campaigns, whether we like it or not.
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Muhammed - clearly you are never satisfied. To be quite frank you, I think you are deluded in trying to blame Musim on Muslim violence on the west. How about those Muslims taking some responsibility for their own actions and instead of 'the likes of you' trying to blame everyone else except the religious dogma that leads to these atrocities?
Anyone who has lived and worked in Muslim countries or non Muslim countries with a Muslim minority population in non Western ccountries like me will never have heard this supposed hatred against the West from ordinary people on the the street who just want a life?
I am not talking about oppressed people in Palestine who have the war criminal Tony Blair looking after there interests?
The united nations is a farce and a laughing stock with the planted stooge Ban as general secretary and Tony Blair war criminal special mid east envoy?
War crimes in Africa or Sri Lanka but not in Iraq or Afghanistan?
A war in Iraq declared illegal by the former UN secretary general and no charges being brought against Bush ,Blair and their fellow liars?
Hilary Clinton the unfortunate wife of the serial adulterer telling Russia not to be in neighboring Georga while her country is occupying Iraq and Afghanistan thousands of miles away from USA?
Des Demona consider the deaths in pakistan,iraq and afghanistan these three countries have one thing in common, They are at war because of american involvement.
To somehow claim that muslims are responsible or we should take responsibility of the bloodshed is simply wrong.You play one party against the other and create a fear which leads to bloodshed.
scampy you are lucky that you have met these muslims as I try and explain we muslims have nothing against the western world except the policies of those governments which result in death and destruction.
The welcome a westerner recieves in muslim countries is quite alot different to what a muslim tourist would recieve in this country.
Tony blair what can I say peace envoy? You see why muslims despair at the double standards.
Muhammed - PS
Interesting how your 'We come in peace' comes on 7/7 the anniversary of the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent civillians on our streets.
To be honest, religious zealots of any description give me the creeps. If anyone wants to believe in a religion to help them through the day then fair play to them. The problem comes when people such as yourself then come to believe the whole world revolves around them and which ever religion they cling to. Dogma becomes ingrained, twisted and used for political ends, using the easlily led and stupid to further the aims of the leaders.
You talk of peace on one hand then of waging jihad on the other, depending on who displeases you. You therefore seem to be of a violent disposition despite your claims to use the pen rather than the sword.
Actually I'm sick and tired of religious apologists.
Mehdi Hasan's D You and I can argue for ever but the fact remains if you get out of muslim countries and stop interfering then there would be alot less bloodshed.
Dawa is a call to Islam,I explain my religion and beliefs,You can either listen or tell me to get lost. How that can be a movement to subvert Britain from within through stealth jihad is frankly rubbish.
Accept that many embrace Islam every single day not with a gun to the head but making an informed choice.I know that will be very difficult for you to accept but try.
"Bin Laden states that his goal is to subdue, convert, or kill non-Muslims"
All I can say is you listen to him more than I do therfore you carry on beleiving what you want.
Welldone Mehdi for bringing this debate once again.
99.999% of Muslims condenm terrorism and injutice, doesnt matter who commits it. it is politically motivated that some idiots commit crimes and claim to be muslim. Some people sometimes talk About extremist muslims and moderate muslims, Islam is a moderate religion and muslims are only muslims if they are moderate. Because there is a Hadith from Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) saying: that anyone who goes to extrem is not ours, i.e he can not be a muslim. Also in the Quran Allah says you (muslisms) are the Ummah of Moderation. Therefore Extremism has no place in Islam. As a Muslims I would like to condenm extremism and extremists with the most strongest language.
We should remember that muslism are the first victims of terrorism. Millions of muslims have been killed by them.
Down to Extremism and it followers,
des demona don't you dare insinuate that I am trying to ridicule or deliberately insult those who lost lives on july 7.
I do not condone terrorist attacks in this country or anywhere in the world,I have never called for violence.
Take your evil accusations with you to the gutter where you belong.
Muhammed - Where did I do that? I was pointing out the paradox between your assertion that 'we come in peace' and reality as perceived by those victims.
''Mehdi Hasan's D You and I can argue for ever but the fact remains if you get out of muslim countries and stop interfering then there would be alot less bloodshed.''
Right, so if we just leave Muslim countries alone, the Taliban will stop carrying out poison gas attacks on girls' schools, ash-Shabaab will stop shooting people for watching TV channels besides Al-Jazeera and murdering apostates, the Punjabi Taliban will stop blowing up Sufi shrines and Ahmadiyya mosques, Al-Qa'ida in Iraq will stop planting bombs in marketplaces in Baghdad, jihadists in Thailand will stop murdering Buddhists, and the Sudanese government will stop aiding Islamic militias to murder and enslave blacks in Darfur and Southern Sudan in the name of jihad to give just a few examples?
I have no doubt that Al-Qa'ida et al. want to expel Americans and others from Muslim lands, but consider what Bin Laden himself says:
''Offensive Jihad is an established and basic tenet of this religion. It is a religious duty rejected only by the most deluded. So how can they call off this religious obligation [Offensive Jihad], while imploring the West to understandings and talks ‘under the umbrella of justice, morality, and rights’?''
Similarly, Baitullah Mehsud, founder of the Tehreek-e-Taliban (Pakistani Taliban), affirmed:
''We will continue our struggle until foreign troops are thrown out. Then we will attack them in the US and Britain until they either accept Islam or agree to pay jizya."
How about Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the so-called ''pants bomber''?
''Alright, i wont go into too much details about me fantasy, but basically they are jihad fantisies [sic]. I imagine how the great jihad will take place, how the muslims will win insha Allah and rule the whole world, and establish the greatest empire once again!!!''
Tell me, Muhammed, where did these people get such ideas from? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't from the Pentagon. Why do they feel a need to attack non-Muslims even after they leave Dar Al-Islam?
''Dawa is a call to Islam,I explain my religion and beliefs,You can either listen or tell me to get lost. How that can be a movement to subvert Britain from within through stealth jihad is frankly rubbish.''
No, it isn't ''rubbish''. By trying to convert people to Islam, you are hoping that Britain will be incorporated into Dar Al-Islam. What are all these Muslim advocacy groups doing trying to impose halal meat in schools, separate swimming sessions at pools, designated prayer rooms, and the like?
Muhammed - 'Regards jihad I believe if I lived in palestine then jihad should be waged on Israel as well as in afghanistan,somalia,and every other country where america is interfering or propping up puppet governments.'
'I have never called for violence.'
Make your mind up son!
Mehdi Hasan's D,halal meat,separate swimming sessions,veils and prayer rooms will destroy western democracy so beware!
des demona you tell me what conditions allow jihad.
''des demona you tell me what conditions allow jihad''
Religion, like patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
Well, Muhammed, you need to explain why it is only Muslim advocacy groups that demnd such entitlements. No organisations for other religious groups try to impose their values in such a way on those who do not follow their faith.
Also, you have not answered any of my main points (this issue of stealth jihad is an aside to be frank). I notice that you do not repudiate jihad warfare and Islamic supremacism.
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.