Tony Blair: The reason I took on secular Saddam was to fight radical Islam
The former prime minister's increasingly lame defence of Iraq
By Mehdi Hasan Published 12 December 2009 18:51Looking at the front pages of the Guardian and the Times today, I can't help but think that two interrelated issues -- Iraq and Tony Blair -- will never depart from the British political scene. They simply won't go away.
The latest claim from Teflon Tony on the subject of the Iraq war, in an interview with the BBC's Fern Britton, is that he would have invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam Hussein even if he had not had any evidence of WMDs (which, of course, we now know he didn't!). Blair would have joined Bush on his "regime change" adventure, regardless. (On a side note: Fern bloody Britton?!? The former PM has always known how to avoid tough questioning, from the chamber of the Commons to the studios of British television. He will always be, in my mind, the Des O'Connor/GMTV prime minister.)
From the Times:
Asked by Britton if he would still have gone on had he known there were no weapons of mass destruction, he said: "I would still have thought it right to remove him."
Blair's neoconservatism in foreign affairs has often been masked by his supporters in the press as "humanitarian interventionism" or "muscular liberalism". I hope these latest revelations will put an end to all that nonsense from the apologists.
Here, in my view, is Neocon Blair's most outrageous, most disingenuous and little-reported claim, from his interview with Britton:
He also put the decision to go to war in Iraq in the context of a wider battle over Islam. He said: "I happen to think that there is a major struggle going on all over the world, really, which is about Islam and what is happening within Islam." He said that this struggle had a "long way to go".
Is he having a laugh? The decision to depose Saddam Hussein, the Ba'athist ruler of secular Iraq, was part of a wider global war against radical Islam? It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. The harsh truth is, as virtually every intelligence agency and terrorism expert on earth has confirmed, that the Iraq war exacerbated the threat from Islamist extremism; it acted as a recruiting sergeant for every Muslim terrorist group in existence. Meanwhile, every single inquiry into the Iraq war, on both sides of the Atlantic, has concluded that Saddam had no links to Osama Bin Laden, al-Qaeda or the 11 September 2001 attacks.
Blair, with his teaching post at Yale Universiy and his "Faith Foundation", now seems to think he is a scholar of Islam. I happened to see him speak on the subject in front of a group of young British Muslims at the al-Khoei Foundation in London in 2008. I listened to his self-serving, simplistic, naive, back-of-the-cereal-box analysis of the various splits, divisions and debates within Islam. Karen Armstrong, John Esposito or even Bernard Lewis he ain't!
The various justifications for the illegal invasion continue to crumble. The Chilcot inquiry, for example, has heard evidence from Sir William Ehrman, a senior Foreign Office official, that the government had intelligence days before the invasion of Iraq in 2003 that Saddam Hussein had dissassembled any chemical weapons in his possession.
Blair looks increasingly desperate and pathetic. The Independent on Sunday has reported that the former prime minister is furious that his reputation is being "shredded" by senior civil servants taking revenge on him. And so this latest lame argument is classic Teflon Tony: change the subject, move the goalposts, distract the critics.
But even he can't get away with it this time round, can he? The misadventure in Iraq had nothing to do with Islam or Islamism, and for the former premier to pretend, suggest or imply otherwise now is a reminder of why Blair will always be Bliar in the eyes of millions of Britons.
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Mehdi,
You are absolutely correct in your comments about Blair, though I actually think you let him off too lightly.
What strikes one about this man is the collosal, overweening, all-consuming, pride he radiates. Pride laced with vanity, in inverse proportion to his actual abilities.
The way he casually dismisses the importance of weapons of mass destruction, and mentions that even without them as pretext, he would, like, you know, guys, have just had to figure out some other, form of argument to get the public and parliament to, like, you know, go along with the invasion, you know... It's incredible. He's talking about War here, not some run of the mill political scam. British soldiers went to war and died, got mamed, because, credulous as they are, believed that Saddam was a real threat to Britain, a threat that was only 45 minutes away, and now Blair just brushes that all aside almost contemptuously.
Blair has, because of his vanity, put his head in a noose with his own words. That is, if we still had laws in Britain that applied to men of power when they break the law, only we don't. Blair is admitting that he is a war criminal, only he seems to stupid to appreciate the true gravity of his admission. I wonder if he actually wants to bring martyrdom on himself, as a victim in the crusade against radical Islam.
He would say that, wouldn't he.
I must admit I too was hood winked by the 'evidence' Blair presented, only to realise it was dodgy back of te envelop stuff. One wonders why we are paying are Security Services, and its their heads that should roll.
One thing in Blairs favour is that its the first time ever that Parliament voted to go to War. Blair presented a case and persuded most MPs. Previous decisions to go to War were left to a handful of Ministers and the PM. Blairs admission could open up the real possibility of being tried for War Crimes. I hope he's got a good Defence Team.
One of the main reasons the Iraq crime scandal won't go away, like many would like it to, is not because of the incredible loss of life involved and mass destruction reigned down opon a defenceless Iraq, but because of the great sense of injustice so many in Britain still feel about being lied to, trodden on, and ignored by Tony Blair. Dragging a country that didn't want to go to war against its will, is bad enough, but when one finds out that the main reason given, was a pack of lies, well, it just pours salt in the wound. Britain will only move on from Iraq, once the guilty men are tried, and punished for their crimes. A cull of the entire ruling elite is probably too much to expect, but at the very least Blair should be sacrificed, not least for the deterent effect it might have on future "mad" prime ministers.
One also has to ask how was parliament duped so easily? Obviously something is structurally wrong with the system if, effectively one "looney" and handful of cynical henchmen, can take the country to war like this. This is important, because it could happen again with Iran, under a new PM, following in Blair's footsteps.
Blair knew he had the support of the Tories, no matter what. They were even more loyal to the United States than he was. So he was sure of Tory support. Then he had the support of the right wing of the PLP, giving him close to a majority. It was the left of the PLP he had to somehow convince that Iraq was direct threat to British interests, and Britain. Which is why he dreamed up the story about WMD's and the absurd 45 minute claim, otherwise he knew he'd be in trouble.
He, and the PLP knew that if he had to he would push the vote through with support from the Tories and the right of New Labour, but this would have caused a rupture in the Labour movement comparable to Ramsey McDonald in the 1920's. Blair was prepared to split the Labour party in order to get his way and his majority, so many Labour MPs simply gave up, beause if he was determined to go to war, not matter what, was it worth splitting the Labour Party over Iraq?
And what would British politics have looked like afterwards? Imagine Blair at the head of re-aligned parliament leading a new grouping consisting of the Tories and Labour's right wing, with a rump New Labour left with a few dozen MP's in "permanent" opposition.
Cherie: 'Look Tone, they've got you bang to rights on the WDMs. So defuse that by saying, "Even if....", change the subject and thank your lucky stars they haven't got a decent QC doing the questioning.'
Listen to the speech patterns and glottal stops of current Labour pretenders, and despair.
This is it. Any half-decent QC would shred, and destroy, demolish totally, Blair's pathetic "defence" arguments, relating to his actions, and crimes. At the time, before the invasion, friends of mine, who are lawyers, were tearing their hair out in frustration that they couldn't get at him, because his lies were so transparent. But he got away with it, not because of what he was saying, but because of who he was, because of the power the system gives a modern PM with a large majority and a supine cabinet. He effectively becomes a king in all but name. A monarch with close to absolute power, especially when he's allied to the United States. And the British ruling elite have, more or less, totally surrendered Britain to the United States in recent years, and will do so again.
Saddm was a secular leader. He was a bulwark against "Islamic extremism" for Christ's sake. Saddam wasn't a threat to the west, far from it. He was an ally of the west, up to a point. How does Blair get away with this crap?
Before the invasion he seemed to say anything, no matter how absurd, in order to frighten people and get his war, and he's still at it. It's like he doesn't have a filter stopping him saying the first thing that comes into his head in a given situation, to divert attention momentarily, from how weak his arguments really are. It's like he's always gambling on no one noticing he's talking total tosh. In court he wouldn't survive five minutes like this. He would be skewered and screwed.
Mehdi,
A final thought. I think you are seriously wrong, and underestimate how dangerous Blair's view of the world really is. When he talks about the worldwide struggle against "radical Islam" and how it's got a long way to go, he's being honest, which is unusual for him! He isn't covering up his motivation. He's revealing it.
The attitudes he expresses are widespread in the neo-conservative right, and in the socalled liberal left; especially in the United States and unfortunately in Europe as well. Bush talked about a crusade, and Blair is outlining a crusade as well. Obama too believes this at heart, though his rhetoric is slightly different, the content is the same.
This deep-seated attitude to Islam and Muslims, has profound implications for the future,which I don't need to spell out, they are obvious. It's rubbish of course, but still dangerous in the extreme. The ruling elite in the west need an enemy badly, it doesn't really matter that it's a form of fiction, like the threat from "radical Islam". The point is having a usful enemy, that can be cynically used as a pretext, rather like WMDs, to justify and legitimize the ideology of the crusade and our neo-imperialist agression directed at the Muslim world. But why? Very simply; we can't justify our agression and wars with an appeal based on our desparate need for the oil and gas, this would be a hard sell. Then, in Blair's words, we, you know, like, need to figure out some other line of argument that might work, guys. So we "conjure" a non-existant "radical islamic threat" which fits our purposes nicely, which are to grab, and control, what's left of the world's raw materials for ourselves, which at present, are wrongly placed under Muslim soil, and they, the Muslims, it's nothing personal guys, are just in the way. And unfortunately for them, the wars have only just begun.
There is one point that no one has mentioned, and it is thestatement among Wetern European circles that the "Euro-centric view" must prevail in the world. This makes it easier for corporations to hijack what is left of the world for their own purposes, mainly for profits. If you doubt this, how much media attention has been given to the attempt by the bankers to force third world banks to deal in derivatives? Along with the US and NATO pushing the limits right to the political techtonic plates in Eastern Europe and dismantle Russia so they can grab Siberia for its resources and so that no nation will be left that can stand in the way of world domination. If you doubt this, read "The Grand Chessboard" by Zhvignew Brezinski who is a key member of the foreign policy establishment in the US. We should all be asking why these criminals can always get money for a war, but their people havwe to give up their rights, pensions, and all else. In short, this who system has been taken over by big money and is totally corrupt
it's all coming back to me now. I remember Blair saying in parliament, just before the invasion, and the crucial vote, when he was confronted by a question about the questionable legality of forcing regime change in Iraq through by force, that if Saddam was prepared to give up his weapons of mass destruction, then he could, as far a Blair was concerned, staty in power. That we were only interested in WMDs, not regime change, or toppling him from power.
Obviously he had calculated that he would have an almost impossible task ahead of him if he backed regime change, as this would have been blatantly illegal. Yet now he openly contradicts himself, and by his own words shows that he clearly lied, or misled, parliament. In a court, up on war crimes charges, he really wouldn't have leg to stand on.
Also his fall back position, that Saddam was threat to his neighbours doesn't stand up to a minutes scrutiny. The corrupt arab states around Iraq, regarded Saddam as the crucial bulwark against Iran, and potentially the threat from Israel. None of them wanted Saddam removed and they said so publically on numeous occasions, yet Blair chooses to "forget" this as well. The prick has such a selective memory when it suits his purposes. But I think his incredible vanity and enormous ego will eventually do for him.
Incidently Mehedi, Jesus was a a Hindu. Its a well known fact that during those wilderness years he travelled extensively and visited the Hindu Kush and picked up quite a few ideas about resurrection karma, duty, the work ethic and turning the other cheek and loving thy neighbour. As a Hindu, and having an O Level in RE, I can see the similarities.
history will always judge the imperialist wrong and thats why the will die like fulls musquarading under the guys of spreading democracy
what is this new concept of "Democratism" I hear you cry? It's when a state appears to be a functioning democracy on the surface, but if one scrapes away at the surface sheen, one discovers that power is actually in the hands of a remarkably small number of people, who, while playing lip service to democracy, actually rule society for like they own it, with the state effectively at their service, providing them with unlimited funds, a subservient military and police force, and a political structure that garantees that their rule is never really put in doubt. Goodbye liberal democracy, welcome, Democratism!
ARE YOU REALY SURPRISED ?! OR WERE YOU ALL SO DESPERATE FOR A LIEBOUR GOVERNMENT ??!!
ONESELF WAS NEVER FOOLED BY BLIAR... ONESELF NEVER VOTED FOR BLIAR OR LIEBOUR.
HE TOOK SO MANY FOR MUGS... AND PROVED HIS POINT PERFECTLY !
I wonder how one would feel if one was an ordinary, average, Tory, who agreed with his son that, Saddam was a very bad man indeed, was leading country bristling with weapons of mass destruction, which could hit Cyprus where the British have a base and all in only 45 minutes. Ones son, who is a soldier, has also heard the endless reams of state/media propaganda, and believes that Iraq is an imminent threat to Britain and the world. And after all the PM, Tony Blair, is an honest man, who doesn't lie, and has pleaded with the public to trust him on this one, because he intimates repeatedly, that he knows things about Iraq, that he cannot reveal, not yet at least.
Alas, young, trusting Tommy Atkins, returns from Iraq in a coffin drapped in the flag he trusted. He would never have dreamed, like his dad, that nice Mr.Blair, would turn that flag into toilet paper in the service of a foreign power, and that the entire story was a pack of lies, as disposable as the flag, young Tommy, and the Truth.
Poor Thomas Atkins sr. his guilt, his shame. He actually helped send his only son to be killed like a lamb to the slaughter, based on lies. The guilt and the anger drag him down into an early grave, another victim of Blair's lies.
But what of Tim Atkins, Tommy's younger brother? He learns of the betrayal of his brother's idealism and patriotism, around the same time as he sees The Godfather part two. There he learns about the concept of revenge, justice, and retribution in Sicily. And sees that Vito Corleone returns after half a lifetime to wreak havoc on the man who killed his family. Timmy thinks of Blair sitting in his dotage in his luxurious villa somewhere in the sun, and vows to follow in Vito's footsteps.
Tony Blair was right on about radical Islam being the real threat, but too bad he didn't have a good knowledge of the rise, spread and core doctrines of 7th cent. Islam like he could get now free online from the Historyscoper.
A great many opposed the war but it wasn't that many less that supported it, initially. If we'd not got involved Blair and Labour would have been dismissed as traitors for ruining the 'special relationship'.
The Murdoch press are as culpable as anyone for the pointless British loss of life, laughably they tout themselves as forces' champions. I look forward to seeing Mr Blair in a courtroom.
Funny, when loss of life is discussed regarding this illegal act in Iraq the 'British toll' is mentioned first and foremost and little about Iraq's count of loss. It is estimated to date that as much as 1.3 million Iraqi's perished, I too would like to see Blair up in court and finally punished......but somehow I can't see that happening, can you? Afterall, the agenda from these neo-cons towards truth and justice is not on the table, sadly these henchmen will stop at nothing. This much is very transparent and we all need to wake up and say no to the 'new world order'.
How many times was he telling us the war was not aboutIslam?
We must keep our fingers crossed that Blair's convoluted excuses will mean eventually that he will disappear up his own ass hole.
p.s. Vote New Labour anyway!
re: Earl Forward comments. 'Vote new labour anyway'
Now I do think that this would be another mistake, labour members of the government had been conned easily by Blair's lies...so vunerable that they believed the lies and deciet presented to them, whilst it was so obvious the real agenda the Bush and Blair team had all along....for the exception of just one man of honour in new labour....Robin Cook.
The reason one had to keep hammering away at this ghastly story of why we attacked Iraq, and not forget it, and Blair's crimes; is because it could easily happen again and probably will.
Our political institutions, in the leading imperialist states, the UK and the US, have not been thoroughly reformed, they are not under increased democratic control, and centralized control in the guise of the PM or the President, has not been seriously challenged.
Neither has the media been cleaned out. No structural changes have been implimented to challenge its primary function as a channel for the corporate state's propaganda. In time of war the media is still blinded by "patriotism" and bordeline hysteria about the "evil" threat from without.
Iran is the next country in line for regime change, peacefully if we can, but by force if necessary. Then it'll be the turn of Venzuela I imagine, and further down the line Russia and China, though one can hardly imagine them passively waiting for their turn to come around.
I hope he has written the truth down somewhere so that future generations may see how messed up this system of government is and learn from it's mistakes.
Give us a REAL alternative, not one that says war or no war but one who rights it's wrongs even when they are not personally responsible.
re: Cherie Irvings post.
Sadly I don't think there is much we can do about it. I don't believe the government is 'pussy footing' around, afterall is this enquiery going to expose and highlight the REAL reason for attacking Iraq? Wanting to control the region and it's oil is not something they will admit to. This has been going on for too many years now, look at the early 1950's (Iran and Mossadegh) the British had problems persuading the Americans initially to help with overthrowing a legitimate liberal leader in order to keep the oil, but they did manage to change their minds in the end and the well known orchestrated coup was achieved. Nothing has really changed as such, now look at Iraq and Afghanistan today. It's poppycock all this about the war against terror, America as well as Britian need the bogey man to instill the fear into our lives and they have been largely succesful with this ploy...it suits them to the ground. Tony Blair should face a war crimes tribunal and George Bush should be dragged along also...again, it's a pipe dream I feel.
Perhaps there is one thing we can all try and do: Educate people and expose the government/s for the evil and lies of todays neo cons.
To the brave men and women who risked and sometimes sacrificed their lives to depose the evil tyrant Saddam Hussein: thank you.
Iraq was invaded and occupied in order to rid the world of an evil tyrant. That's a cartoon. Iraq was invaded to destroy it as a state, and a potentially very powerful one, at least in the region; but primarily to gain access to, and control of, it's vast oil reserves, putting both the country and this fabulous prize within the western sphere of influence.
This is why the men and women were sacrificed on the altar of greed, power and lies. And this might be worse than dying for nothing, or even a fairytale.
appalling that this government goes all out to get the war criminals of past and present and yet we pussy foot around our own evil doer!!!
soo what are we gonna do about it folks??????
By all accounts, Saddam Hussein was a highly sadistic and violent man, a torturer and murderer, and a dictator responsible for the deaths of somewhere between 500,000 to 1.5 million Iraqis at the hands of his police state, not counting the casualties of the wars he started.
I'm glad he was removed from power, and I don't feel all that bad that the Iraqi people chose to execute him.
Perhaps his increasing psychopathy and its implications for US and international access to oil, and the fact that he'd provided aid, including training camps and money, to terrorist, including jihadist terrorist, had a bearing on the decision by the US and UK to oust him. I didn't expect there to be perfect altruistic motives, or even open honesty - I'm just glad the they got rid of him, and that they stayed to fight the insurgents who would stop Iraq from having a self-determined democracy - Saddam didn't torture and murder 1 million Iraqis all by himself. I'm not saying they were definitely the exact same group of people, but they both showed an enthusiastic willingness to kill their fellow countrymen rather than let them have freedom.
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