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swatantra nandanwar
05 November 2009 at 16:56

Its the only way. Non violence and peaceful marches. If 100 000 unarmed Palestinians including women and children, descended on East Jerusalem they could take control in 5 hrs. And the Israelis could do nothing about it.

Mehdi Hasan
05 November 2009 at 17:41

Swatantra - to be fair to the Palestinians, "100 000 unarmed Palestinians including women and children" could never "descend" on East Jerusalem because the infrastructure of the Israeli military occupation - checkpoints, troops, rubber bullets, fences, etc - would prevent them from doing so. So let's be realistic for a moment. But, I agree, that should be the aspiration.

Surya
05 November 2009 at 19:29

Palestinians could at least make similar marches, for instance the inhabitants of Nablus/Ramallah/Jenin/Hebron could gather close to one of the check-points around Nablus/Ramallah/Jenin/Hebron.

If the israeli army, aware of such a plan, would gather soldiers, these Palestinians should nevertheless walk towards them, and be ready to be hurt and killed.

But in no way there should be children nor teenagers among them : they should only be adults ready to be humiliated, hurt and killed without responding by any physical violence.

Surrounding the israeli soldiers,they should not attack nor threaten them ; and they still shouldn't even if, as they'd try to pass through the check-point, the soldiers would fire at them.

But such actions have no roots in the Islamic tradition, unlike in the "Hindu" and the Christian ones (the Gospels : Martin Luther King). The Islamic tradition (from Muhammad) leads to fighting with weapons in order to try to prevail, and often to revenge (from Muhammad).

The Islamic tradition is a tradition of human pride and of physical victory, not a tradition of being humble (except concerning the sufis, that are considered as heretics by the official Islam) nor of self-sacrifice (except in acts of war or of terror).

For Muslims, the idea to fight without violence means being weak and humiliated.

14Infallibles
05 November 2009 at 22:22

Nice cheap shot, 'Surya'.

What you are trying to achieve in supporting the Palestinian Muslims whilst criticizing the fundamental ideals they follow is beyond me.

Islam, under the Prophet Muhammed's rule NEVER waged an offensive war. Not once. It was all defence.

You somehow manage to praise the sufi sect of Islam, which, again, is baffling.

Your references include: "(from Muhammad), and you mention an "official Islam". You also claim that "The Islamic tradition is a tradition...of physical victory..."

Your whole final tirade on Islam itself is actually littered with inaccuracies and baseless accusations.

What a deluded individual you are, you clearly know nothing about the faith.

John Carp
06 November 2009 at 07:23

I fully support this. One problem is that due to the poor educations most Palestinians receive, I doubt many Palestinians even know who Gandhi is, or the success he achieved.

Surya
06 November 2009 at 20:31

I know that you don't know Islam ; you only know what conditionned Muslims learn about Islam from Muslim apologists.

It's more than 20 years, my dear, that I study Islam, mainly from muslim books.

I'm very sorry -lol- if you're offended because of what I've read in these muslim books (the Quran is one of them ; hadiths, and also summaries of the Sira are other ones) ! lol

They must be very bad, evil, perverted books, according to your comment -lol- !

You Muslims are too often poor schizophrenics, prisoners of your denials.

dominic
08 November 2009 at 02:07

So Islam never waged an offensive war? Well tell that to the Byzantines and the Hindus for starters. Kindly also inform the Greeks, Hungarians, Bulgarians and Christian Nigerians, they must be Islampohobes! Tell that to the French who fought at Poititers in AD 732 for that matter, or to the Spanish? Where did you get your history from "infallible"? A back street madrassa in Bangladesh?

Homam
08 November 2009 at 20:57

Chiiiillll winstaaans. Islam is cool, a lot of haters need to pragmatic and understand every faith has bad people that kill others. The British Christians have terrorists like Blair, the Jewish have terrorists like Sharon and the Muslims have Bin laden, they all started offensive wars..this doesn't make all British Christians or Jews or Muslims evil. People who don't understand this need to stop using crack and get real. Peace & love. X

Surya
18 November 2009 at 20:58

Homam, you miss the point.

Jews are not trying to convert and/or invade everybody (but yes some of them are settlers in the West-Bank).

In the Bible you can read invasion and slaughters, but these are mythical stories, according to recent archeological discoveries ; and even if it had been true stories, they would be part of history, but not part of the jewish religion. Their religion doesn't ask them to do this.

Christians try to convert people, but not to invade them (or of they do, they don't do it as Christians, but as people who want to control oil, etc...). I know that very long ago, they did invade countries "the Bible in the hand", and tried to convert people ; but even if they did so, it was not coming from their holy books.

Whereas the war (the real one, with material weapons, and blood, and killings) for the victory of Islam over all non-muslim nations is part of the Muslim holy texts (Quran, Hadiths, Sira) ; untill now, it's part of the Muslim religion ; and Muhammad, who was a warlord, is presented by the Quran as an example to be followed.

This is why Islam is very special, and needs to change (Judaism and Christianism have changed quite a lot, becoming more modern, but not Islam).

Surya
18 November 2009 at 21:00

Homam (to go on a little bit). So you see, I'm not talking about the bad things some people of every religions have done ; I'm talking about the religious rules, commandments, that lay in the holy texts of the religions.

Surya
18 November 2009 at 21:02

A former message of this 18/11/2009 wasn't published. That's why I wrote "I go on a little bit".