Bright's Blog

16 comments from readers

Amihai
08 September 2008 at 16:24

Zionism is nothing but the movement of national liberation and self-determination and independence of a specific people, the Jewish people. Zionism, since its inception in the latter part of the 19th century, furthermore, has adhered to the universally accepted right of all peoples, all of them, to national self-determination and independence. Some within Zionism have been more of liberal democrats while others have combined their sense of patriotism with Socialism and Communism.

Thus, it is difficult for me to see Socialists oppose Zionism, including socialist and communist elements within our national liberation movement. It is even more difficult for me to see people who consider themselves "socialists" and "progressive" single out a particular people, the Jewish people, in their opposition to one of the most basic elements in socialist view of human condition and political development.

And when I see it I can not but conclude that these pseudo socialists are nothing but anti-Jewish racist, thus they do not differ much from the people at the far right when it comes to their viewing of the Jewish people.

How sad, how sad indeed is this reality!!!

knave
08 September 2008 at 17:45

Good points A but I feel talking to soft left Isrealis, the need for Isreal to step forward and become a secular state not a Jewish state. Same for the Muslim states around Isreal such as Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine and Syria. I find it very sad that there are only 3 mixed schools in Isreal.

Also perhaps Isreal needs to grow out of the term Zionism and look for a more inclusive philosophy.

That also goes for the followers of radical Islam.

As for Bright, Cohen and the others mentioned they don’t he gives two figs about your country.

knave
08 September 2008 at 18:28

My point is that Bright has set up this post to highlight his victim status.

He wants extremist’s posts. He will the then use them in a fatuous argument that anybody who opposes him is an anti Semite or pro the mullahs.

A black and white world without intelligence or debate. Not to see that there are other paths rather than the neo con hawks or the Mullahs.

It is gutter journalism at its worst.

Please don’t play his game.

I feel like Sean Connery at the end of the film “The Hill”.

Morgan097
08 September 2008 at 21:04

knave,

K: I feel like Sean Connery at the end of the film “The Hill”.

M: Nah, I don't think so.

You know you really feel like Connery in the pre-title introduction to "Goldfinger."

Morgan097
08 September 2008 at 21:15

And knave, old pal,

Used flypaper may indeed appear disgusting, but morning sunlight usually reveals some truly repulsive specimens.

explodingbadger
09 September 2008 at 03:19

Why is it some people always try to associate socialism with fascism ? It seems to me the reason is that its easier to throw around insults than to discuss the issues.

Zionism maybe a "movement of national liberation and self-determination" but at what cost ? It happens to be taking place on a land that was stolen from and excluding its native people .

I have found the reporting on this site interesting:

http://www.jkcook.net/

Morgan097
09 September 2008 at 08:00

To excitedbugger:

E: "Zionism maybe a "movement of national liberation and self-determination" but at what cost ? It happens to be taking place on a land that was stolen from and excluding its native people ."

Please to explain how follower of Religion of PeaceTM) get from own small part of Arabian peninsula to own most of Iberian peninsula? You think maybe by famously peaceful Arab power of persuasion? Or Socratic dialogue?

Maybe 400-year systematic dhimmitude of second-class Christians, Jews who once inhabit south, east Mediterranean just tough noogies? Just observe great benefits derive when genuflect before prophet: poverty, dictatorship, economic, cultural, technological backwardness, choppy-choppy off head, hand, foot, stone to death adulteress, homosexual by sharia wisdom.

Please, to explain, excitedbugger, how al-Aqsa mosque located OVER Second Temple and yet Muslim, not Joo, real "native"?

And please to explain too why million plus Joos forcibly expelled from longtime homes in Arab countries, then mostly absorbed into ancestral Israel homeland, magically invisible within excitedbugger morality play. 600,000 Arabs leave mainly for what they expect to be short hiatus until five Arab armies exterminate or "throw into sea" annoying Israeli Joos who according to plan, abandon all their tempting property to newly-enriched Arabs.

Big shame Tel Aviv and Jerusalem not Frankfurt and Berlin, huh?

How excitedbugger say in Arabic, "What's mine is mine; what's yours is negotiable"?

Claddach
09 September 2008 at 10:05

I defy anyone (without Google) to say with certainty which side of the political spectrum this rabid analysis comes from.

"However the real problems of the World have got catastrophically worse for the World in the last few years while the West has been obsessed with the dishonest, racist, murderous, Zionist-inspired War on Terror (indeed according to former president of Italy, law professor and intelligence intimate Francesco Cossiga the initiating 9/11 atrocity was actually committed by the US CIA and Israeli Mossad in the interests of US and Zionist hegemony."

Morgan097
09 September 2008 at 11:20

Sounds like the Kangaroo Court side to me.

taghioff.info
09 September 2008 at 15:08

Please get over the middle east people.

1) Oil should be becoming our past, because as our future it will undo us.

2) The holocausts we fear should be those of the future, and climate change threatens to make the European Civil wars look civil.

3) The biggest threat to civil liberties is the vision of a highly unequal world under climate change. How will we keep them out, and what will doing so mean for our freedoms?

Wake up.

proudlyleft
09 September 2008 at 17:11

Got bad news for you, Taghioff buddy. We ARE keeping them out, don't worry, and when the time comes (if pressed) we WILL drop nukes on them too and find reasons to justify it at the moment and feel good by confessing and regreting later on. We have been doing versions of that from the 16th century onwards all over Africa, Asia, Australia, Americas and quite a few islands here and there.

knave
09 September 2008 at 19:22

To be fair to Brighty she doesn’t sound the full ticket but I didn’t know that Harry is actually called Simon.

Why not Simon’s place ?.

I suppose it does sound like a hairdressers.

As a social democrat it does seems like tiff between current trots and trots who are now Thatcherites.

raggedyman
16 September 2008 at 01:06

Why I like David Irving:

You gotta like david irving,

he liked nay quoted nay referenced

by a plethora of historians

pursued his diligent path

exclusively primary source

much to the disgust of Lukacs

but, lo,

the facts? where are the facts?

None. Not a jot.

No matter says Lukacs,

it is contextual derivation &

interpretation that matters,

facts, Gradgrindian facts!

cannot suffice!

this is the end of times

the end of the modern age, at least,

So, Ted, on the Palestinian problem

but is it a 'problem' for a Palestinian?

an intellectual exercise perhaps?

Brighty, who hails from Cambridge,

now like most of academia

weighed under by the power of the market

at his jobbing grindstone

holds his head up high

from the muck of new grub street -

fire in the belly?

or, indigestion from pimms & canapes?

nihilists with bubble cars & sunglasses so slick.

You gotta like david irving,

the holocaust-denier-denier,

who said maybe 4 million jews had not perished,

no, maybe just 1.4, or, even, just 1.2, or less, or more,

not counting the gypsies, of course,

or the homosexuals,

the who?

O yes, the homosexuals -

why no memorial?

You gotta like david irving,

inconvenient truth or not

caught in a political firestorm

where else should we be?

responsibly?

david irving?

he's just a primary source historian,

a follower of the new positivism,

a fallibilist of Popperian proportions

challenging the unfalsifiable

but not in these times,

these barbarous times,

where truth is trivialised

and untruth is sanctified

and up is down

You gotta like david irving

for just daring to say it is not thus

but thus,

really,

you gotta like david irving

or,

you gotta like Martin Bright.

or

you gotta light up & smoke the weed.

I know where I stand.

mattj
17 September 2008 at 17:06

Lady Renouf is no lady, she lied that she was a Russian Princess to get married to a Lord 30 years older than her (daughter of an Australian trucker), and now spends her free time (24/7 no doubt) feeling inferior to Jews, so much so she has become a Holocaust denier and anti-semite.

I would suggest she goes and lives in Iran and could become a wife of the President there!

Martin
18 September 2008 at 09:56

Response from Islamophobia Watch here:

http://tinyurl.com/3rr4kx

Amihai
20 September 2008 at 08:24

1) I strongly object to the statement that the Zionist movement in its drive to exercise the Jewish people's right to national self-determination and independence has "stolen" land!

Zionism, from its very inception in the latter part of the 19th century, has set out to act legally and non-violently. Since the commencement of the re-establishment of Jewish independence in Eretz Israel (Land of Israel) the various elements of the movement – right, left and centre – conducted its activities of land acquisition within the legal framework of the time and the place in which it has acted and not against it. This includes the acquisition and payment of lands prior to the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, and the acquisition of land through defensive wars initiated by Israel's neighbors against it after 1948.

2) I also object to the reference to Israel as a religious state!

The Jewish state of Israel which has been the most important product, not the only one, of Zionism is a liberal democracy and not a religious state. Israel is the nation-state of a people, of the Jewish people, and not of a religion, the Jewish religion. Judaism is simply the civilization of the Jewish people – Hebrew and Israelite prior to that – and to demand of our people, a community of nearly 4,000 years of age, to shell off the elements of our civilization is based on either ignorance of who we, Jews, are and what our civilization, Judaism, is or a thinly veiled attempt once again to eliminate us as a people and a civilization, and this time sounded out by "progressive" people.

Sad, very sad indeed!