Karadzic: the Weight of History

The commentary about the arrest of Radovan Karadzic has reminded us of the devastating significance

It's good to see something approaching a real discussion about the arrest of Karadzic on this blog rather than the usual knee-jerk position taking and name calling.

Elsewhere I've been really impressed by the quality of the journalism. Ed Vulliamy was his usual passionate self in the Guardian yesterday. His recollections of meeting Karadzic (there's something horribly creepy about his weak handshake) are a must read. Good to see Martin Bell writing in the Telegraph today too.

I also urge you to read the excellent analysis from Gregory Kent, a human rights specialist from Roehampton University on the New Statesman website.

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Morgan097's picture

And niceguy,

I was surprised to hear of the passing of Glubb Pasha. Are the rumors true that it actually was Van Helsing who finally summoned up enough good sense to drive a stake through the old bastard's heart?

niceguy's picture

Probally Al-Mukhabarat.

Morgan097's picture

C'mon,

Ya know there ain't no such critter.

It's a figment of your infidel imagination.

niceguy's picture

Well, I certainly hope so.

And who is Rommel the badger?

Morgan097's picture

He's a short, furry, little guy who first drew my attention to what he referred to as a "genocidal" NS piece entitled "Culling the Badgers."

He hasn't been this upset since the folks at Kent turned his uncle Egbert into a #13 shaving brush.

niceguy's picture

Ah, I read that. Was that about the TB piece? Poor thing.

Ali TT's picture

MB:

Apart from their apparent incestuousness British journalists are also masters of the euphemism.

The phrase, 'his usual passionate self', meaning a 'rabid, red-misted, hate-filled, rant in which objectivity has been very much left at home locked up in the cupboard.

Ed Vulliamy is still promoting the myth, which he may even have begun to believe himself, that it was an heroic act of derring-do journalism that enabled him to uncover Serbian misdeeds at Omarska. The reality - he was apparently on one of Karadzic's 'atrocity tours' complete with guide and breaks for tea and biscuits. He still doesn't know why Karadzic was so obliging. Really Ed, and you with a first class Oxbridge education too.

Karadzic was outgunned heavily in the media war before being outgunned by US cruise missiles.

It is unfortunate for Karadzic that not even the Serbs care much for the 'country bumpkin' making him the perfect patsy to trade for Serbian economic prosperity. As a patriot he should however be only too happy to be the one who must be sacrificed for the good of the many, I imagine.

Morgan097's picture

"Poor thing," my @#$%.

I'm the one who has to pick up his alcohol tab at Annabel's!

Morgan097's picture

knave, trust me.

The badger swears that since they gave Taki the boot, things have become far more harmonious.

knave's picture

Annabels
They would never let me in

niceguy's picture

I think you need to be a blue-blood to enter.

And what's the badger's favourite tipple?

Morgan097's picture

Or should I say, "jackboot."

Morgan097's picture

What would you expect from a guy who's never picked up a check in his life?

The most expensive cocktail on the menu, of course: the pousse-cafe.

Morgan097's picture

Fun Fact:

British forces were said to have released man-eating badgers in the vicinity of Basra, following the '03 invasion. This allegation was denied by the British, but Rommel gives continues to flash me the old wink-wink, nod-nod whenever I raise the subject.

knave's picture

I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me.
said the old soak

Morgan097's picture

Did the soak, by chance, take his martinis shaken, not stirred?

knave's picture

Martin about your friend Browne
Browne insists that Asylum-seekers are not only scroungers and terrorists but plague carriers, like the rats that brought the Black Death.
Is he a liberal ?

Martin Bright1's picture

knave -- guess what? we even sat around the same desk at the Observer. The other member of the quartet was John Sweeney and just across the room was Richard Reeves, who has just been appointed director of Demos. Observer 99. Great vintage. Ohmigod! It's a conspiracy!

knave's picture

Tthe BNP's then national press officer "Dr Phil Edwards" (aka Stuart Russell) complained:
"When I read Anthony Browne's earlier book 'Do we need Mass Immigration?' (Published by Civitas in 2002) I was struck by how so much of it seemed to be cribbed from my writings, broadcasts and newspaper and radio interviews from around 1997 onwards."
I am missing something Martin and the man who must not be named.

Morgan097's picture

Yet another instance, no doubt, of suicidally public spirited affirmative action, or as we once more accurately called it , "Hire the Handicapped."

knave's picture

Who was talking about a conspiracy ?.
No such thing. as conspiracies. Just cock ups.
You are just part of a cottage industry that brings in the bucks.

knave's picture

Talking of sweeney.
It is a shame that the only thing he will be remembered for is when he lost the plot interviewing the Scientologists.
That was hilarious

knave's picture

Observer 99
Sounds like a SS division

niceguy's picture

Agree with Kent that Major was the master at ignoring genocide (Bosnia, Shia and Kurds in Iraq, Rwanda). Unfortunetly, Blair went to far and was the master at starting the catalyst for them.

knave's picture

I am missing something
Yes I no, before you jump in
A brain

knave's picture

I was half joking about Browne and yourself and his cushy job with Boris.
You did bite
Perhaps there is observer99gate conspiracy.
Spooky eh

knave's picture

"usual knee-jerk position taking and name calling. "
And what is wrong with that. Martin it is meat and potatoes of UK journalism. My god your mate Cohen's articles are nothing but name calling and knee jerk positions.
I did support Blair actions in Sierre leone and Bosnia but Iraq was just based on oil and the need for US to have that resource. He was right with clinton, wrong with Bush

niceguy's picture

Exactly the same here knave. Funny how people transform into meglomaniac fundamentalists once they hang out with neo-cons for too long.

Speaking of neo-cons, look at Cohen's latest column in the Tory rag.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23519435-details/Our+new+...

"he's (Anthony Browne) a liberal. The last thing he wants is to force women back into the kitchen or to go back to insulting "pakis" and "coons".

So it's official, if you don't refer to pakistani origin Brits as "pakis" then you're not racist.

knave's picture

i'm sorry Ben too many posts in one go but I couldn't resist thtis one.
Martin
I am coming around to your conspircay theory
imagine the scene
At dark "Alton' towers.
The four of you hunched over a map of london.
The dark master mind, Anthony "tory boy" Browne.
Dreaming of privatising the NHS and kicking out the immigrants.
"Bring him in"
You as gopher type figure. I know type casting
"Yes master"
This begraddled blonde figure enters the rom.
"So your hislop and you are merton, guffaw, guffaw"
A slimy figure in the background gets up
"No Boris, my name is Nick, we want you to something for us"
Then Sweeney loses the plot.
The this expains the last 9 years.

knave's picture

Nice guy
Well Browne, Cohen, Gove and Brighty are all neo con / cameroonies mates from Alton's Observer and policy exchange.
What Cohen doesn't tell you in the article is Browne's work with Migration watch and his desire to privatise the NHS.
I love the idea that Browne is a liberal.
Cohen is such a right wing clown who hasn't the courage to admit it.
Browne insisted for years he was a non aligned leftie. Complete tosh and I feel Tory Nick will reveal his true alliances by the end of next year

knave's picture

perhaps i am little harsh on Brighty.
Apart from his obsession with Islam and isreal his heart sometimes in the right place. Also you can't pick your mates

knave's picture

It is strange, or not so strange.
That two of Livingstones biggest critics are very good friends of a man who gets a cushy and well paid job with Johnson.
A little fishy eh.

niceguy's picture

This sounds too good to be true. Perhaps you should get on the phone to Martin Amis to write the novel, although it would end up having a Cameron-esque wiff to it.

Would be a great airport novel.

niceguy's picture

"It's good to see something approaching a real discussion about the arrest of Karadzic on this blog rather than the usual knee-jerk position taking and name calling."

And I don't think this is turning out as Brighty planned.

knave's picture

Niceguy have you read Cohen's post on apocolypse now. I think he has finally lost it.
Losing the plot about a book review.

knave's picture

The hero in my novel is a shy retiring newt collector.
The ending is quite sad. His Scottish friend is beaten to death by Lord Snotty character.
The sinister Nick becomes minister of propaganda. Tory boy becomes minister of kicking out of unsavoury dark people.
Poor old egor Bright is the cycle messenger between the two departments.

niceguy's picture

knave, yes I did... very baffling. Very cryptic.

Perhaps a certain columnist could be the hero, who sees the error of the ways, turns to the good side and tears down the establishment from within.

knave's picture

I do have a sequel Niceguy
The four meet at the offices of the daily impale, a year after the massacre of the Scottish gang. Tory boy now want to be Dom Perignon of the Toreonies.
They hatch a plot to get rid of “pretty boy” Cameron.
Martin unhappy because he is just a gopher and minor character and wants to be editor of the Impale, but he is slapped over the head by a copy of a vicious but very small tome called the “Collective wisdom of Oliver Kamm” by Nasty Nick.
They take poor Martin down to the kitchen.
Yes you are right
Now poor Martin “sleeps with the dishes”

Spielberg is making the film of the original.
Called “The 3 days of the Neocondor”
George Clooney as the retired newt collector
Ewan Mcgregor as his Scottish friend.
Nasty Nick is to be played by John Malkovich for obvious reasons.
Martin’s role is to be played by Jim Carrey
Tory Boy Browne is to be played by Jim Davidson.
Sweeney’s role is to be played by Brian Blessed.

niceguy's picture

You better get a copyright on that.

Another suggestion if I may.

Paul Routledge as a hard-drinking hack, who sometimes bends the rules, but always get results. Played by Mel Gibson (Braveheart era Gibson).

And Gove played by one of Livingstone's newts.

Also, Hitchens needs to make an appearance somewhere. Not too sure which side he'd be on though.

knave's picture

Hitchens is an Eastwood type character.

A hack with no name

knave's picture

Do you know, I have forgotten one character.
Oliver Kamm.
Perfect
Danger Mouse's arch nemesis
Baron Silas Greenback
He looks and sounds like him

niceguy's picture

That's a very interesting twist, look forward to the release.

Finally, Melanie Phillips played by Jade Goody.

knave's picture

Niceguy,
With the chimeric image of mad mel and jade, I will stop the knee jerk name calling.
I feel a little nauseous.

niceguy's picture

Sorry for that image, just around lunchtime too. Hope I didn't put anyone off their sandwiches.

knave's picture

I think that is changing.
Cohen is making statements at the moment about the liberal tory party (economically liberal perhaps), prempting his jump into the void.
Of couse he won't mention organs like migration watch, guido's site, the daily mail or the relationship between the Cameroonies and the odious Charles Murray.

niceguy's picture

Yes certainly... I've always wondered about why no many leftists switched to the dark side, so perhaps there could be something in that statement.

And agree, Martin's heart is in the right place. It's the Cohenites and Kammists I hate, especially how they never admit to being Cameronite Tories.

niceguy's picture

True true. Why is there this shift? I'm in Jordan so try and keep abreast with home news as much as possible, but it seems that Islam has become almost a government policy issue. I have friends who would describe themselves as Socialists, but recently shifted to the Cohen-Kamm-Liddle axis of evil.

Morgan097's picture

No, no, no, no! knave and niceguy:

The real dough will come from producing enough diapers to cover all the at risk heads of Eurodhimmists.

knave's picture

There is an obession with the subject.
We are in the worst economic situation on both sides of the pond and yet all the opinion formers want to do is discuss Islam.
The spectator is especially obsessed.
Also like every geneation the old lefties become right wingers.
Is Cohen any different from Paul Johnson. Not much.
Johnson blamed the trades unionist and Cohen blames Islamist left. Just excuses.
In the end it is not the true reason. The truth is financial. You want to pay less tax and send your kids to private school.
Cohen despises Brown and yet recently Brown made the most pro isreali speech in a generation. It doesn't stop Cohen and Bright hating him.
Also there is market for muslim hating. Cohen, Bright, Anthony, Kamm and Gove, like the good captalists have seen a market for their drivel and are making an awful lot of money out of the subject.

niceguy's picture

Yes, it does seem to be a little money making machine. I wonder how much Harry's Place is making out of it.

The Brown speech is type of thing you would imagine from a neo-con. Just a way of distracting us all from the true issues of the Left which concern us all. Kamm stated that he voted Tory in the last election, so he has shown his colours.

And Gove is the son of Thatcher and satan.

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