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Clay Shirky, author of Here Comes Everybody, was a must see event

Yesterday, I had the pleasure of attending a Demos event refereshingly free of connections with the Islamic extreme right. The speaker was Clay Shirky, author of Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organising Without Organisations. Ed Miliband is a big fan of the NYU professor's work on the political implications of the internet, but it has yet to have a real impact on the political scene on this side of the Atlantic.

He was a hugely enthusiatic and energetic speaker (why can't British academics be this lively?), especially on the subject of Barack Obama's use of the internet during the Democratic leadership race. I was intrigued to hear about the way the technology came back to bite Obama. The point of the my.BarackObama social networking site was to declare support for the candidate, raise money and create a network of likeminded individuals. The problem came when Obama adopted an unpopular policy position towards the Foreign Intelligence Services Act, which gave retroactive immunity from oversight for telecoms companies involved in surveillance of suspicious foreign individuals.

A group calling itself "President Obama, Please Get FISA Right" became one of the biggest groups on my.BarackObama.com, with nearly 24,000 members. As a result, Obama was forced to issue a statement clarifying his position.

There are immediate consequences for 21st century campaining that flow from this new politial culture. Obama learnt from the Howard Dean campaign of 2004, that an explicit online discussion of policies can lose you the nomination. He has therefore avoided any discussion of policy. He has now see that his attempts to broaden the base of his campaign have allowed campaigners to challenge decisions he can not avoid (i.e. votes in Congress). To his creditm he has allowed the group on FISA to remain on the site. But the temptation must be to further rein in any talk of policy. Is this a model for a new politics of hope in Britain? I'm not so sure.

Meanwhile, one source of hope is the Facebook group IslamExpo is a Hamas front. So far 86 comrades have signed up. Spread the word.

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12 comments from readers

Afrasiab
15 July 2008 at 19:38

Still at it I see, bad mouthing anything to do with Muslims.

People are beginning to see you for the nasty Zionist attack dog that you are.

gnuneo
15 July 2008 at 19:49

govt is too big - this style of community discussion is best served locally/regionally. Once such assemblies were in place, where elected officials can take part in web-debate with their constituents, then such forums will be able to network larger forums for national/international dialogue, in an open and egalitarian flow of information that characterises democratic debate.

global democracy is coming, "...and not a moment too soon.".

gnuneo
15 July 2008 at 20:05

::reads message above mine:: Still, there will still be invectives and personal grudges, slander and maliciousness... we'll still be normal, smelly old humanity, but wouldn't it be nice to live in a world without wars, with democratic, *truly* democratic governance?

this isn't some 'sweetness and light rapture', its just a normal evolution of a species, the alternative - wars with biological or nuclear weapons with high likelihood of racial self-destruction, is surely not preferable, i think most people would agree.

its also strongly preferable to a future where 'The Elite' and technocrats make all the decisions, and lie to us if they don't think we'll agree, surely?

despite the amount of Grandus Invectus* that gets dumped in your columns, you more than any other columnist take the effort to post in your comment section and answer people, i'm sure its a pain in the asse sometimes, but its also worth it, right? Don't give up hope in democracy and free speech, its one of the best hopes we have. :)

*see above ;)

Afrasiab
16 July 2008 at 09:25

Gununeo - Pseudo intellectual

redharry
16 July 2008 at 13:08

'one source of hope is the Facebook group IslamExpo is a Hamas front'

How pathetic, to try to justify your cowardly actions. As for your '86 comrades', they seem to be the usual bunch of warmongers, neo-cons, Zionists and Islamophobes.

Meanwhile your other comrades in the IDF are kidnapping Hamas members

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1002387.html

'Residents said troops seized the two Hamas city council members, a senior Hamas activist and other Palestinians known for their close ties to the group, including Hanin Darwazi, the head of a local women's organization. '

and closing down Hamas charities and stealing their property

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/999412.html

'Meanwhile, the Israel Defense Forces shut down three facilities of a Hamas-affiliated charity and a medical center in the West Bank town of Nablus, Palestinian witnesses said Monday.

Witnesses said troops confiscated computers, documents, cash and furniture.

The soldiers also raided offices of the Palestinian Authority's ministry of religious affairs.

The troops shut down a girls school, a sports club and the headquarters of the Solidarity charity.'

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1001358.html

The general of onions and garlic

By Gideon Levy

Here is the "next thing" in the war against terror: the war against hairdressers. After Hamas took over half the Palestinian people, in no small measure because of Israel's policies, after we tried to fight Hamas with weapons and siege, destruction and killing, mass arrests and deportations, the Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet security service have invented something new: a war on shopping malls, bakeries, schools and orphanages. First in Hebron, now in Nablus. The IDF is closing beauty salons, clothing stores and clinics, and even one dairy farm, all on the pretext that they are connected to Hamas, or the rent they pay is given to a terror organization.

Martin Bright
16 July 2008 at 14:27

How marvellous, then, that Hamas can organise a jamboree in the heart of London

knave
16 July 2008 at 17:35

Martin you really know how to live.

These events sound super.

Why don't you get out and see a film.

Mamma Mia is a hoot.

Morgan097
17 July 2008 at 06:22

Hey-hey Red Hairy!

How you?

I am fine!

I learn the English good. No?

You learn words to Missus Robingson yet?

I do!

"Mahmoud hold a place four those who prey,

Hey, hey, hey.

Hay-hay-hay!"

Hey Red Hairy!

I bet you live four day when cressant placed upon Saent Paul too!

Then you party with headhackers like it 1453!!!

Morgan097
17 July 2008 at 10:16

knave,

Answer to your rhetorical question now posted on

Martin's Duncan v Oborne thread.

robertsharp
22 July 2008 at 16:59

Its interesting that, like any other candidate, Obama will be unduly influenced by those who have donated to his campaign. But unlike other candidates, these are not big business donors or a powerful lobby, but a mass of $25 donors.

Although some of the pitfalls of the donor-candidate relationship will remain, this seems to me to be generally a good thing. Spreading the power wider.

Given the fact that the net, as a hive mind, never seems to forget anything, I suspect Obama will be "kept honest" (i.e. reminded of his lies, backtracks and flip-flops) like no other president before him. Again, a good thing.

Live by the web, die by the web.

Morgan097
23 July 2008 at 21:54

Dear robertsharp:

As "Paper Collar Joe" Bessimer (not P. T. Barnum) (probably) observed, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Although half of Obama's contributors are of the $25 variety, his public records reveal that the vast majority of his campaign treasury has arrived from obscenely wealthy fat cat donors.

Like every other "man of the people," he's just another ruthless hustler.

knave
28 July 2008 at 19:50

Like every other "man of the people," he's just another ruthless hustler.

perhaps that is true but maybe it is the system and the money needed to run for office the central problem

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