Alan White's Olympic diary: The hounding of Ye Shiwen
Until proved otherwise, the Chinese swimmer's performance is a huge achievement.
By Alan White Published 01 August 2012 8:37
Odds and Ends first, oddly
This morning a few details have come to light with regard to Tom Daley’s Twitter troll. You probably won’t have noticed them, because they only comprised a few lines in the Sun and Daily Mail. But we know Reece Messer is 17 years old, and has 10 brothers (or half-brothers). We also know his father thinks the police should have been called in, but added “He doesn’t know what he’s saying. He has ADHD but doesn’t take his medicine.” We know his mother left him at an early age. And we also know he was very likely brought up in care.
We could probably have guessed a lot of this at the time the Twitterati were gathering their pitchforks. I guess it won’t change too many people’s opinions of what constituted the right course of action. I’m not saying Mr Messer isn’t to some extent responsible for his behaviour. And I’m certainly not blaming Daley for responding the way he did. It’s just that trolling’s a weird thing to do. And with every high-profile incident and attendant moral outrage like this that passes, it always seems to end up being more complicated than the initial tweets suggest.
I guess I’m just asking this: if you see a guy with fairly obvious issues shouting things at someone in the street, do you draw attention to him as much as possible, implicitly encouraging others to abuse him back, or do you dip your head, walk on by and ignore it? But there’s a disconnect between the virtual and real world isn’t there – a crucial lack of nuance. It’s one I’d venture was forgotten about by more people than Mr Messer the night he decided to drop Daley a line.
“A mob's always made up of people, no matter what...Every mob in every little Southern town is always made up of people you know--doesn't say much for them, does it?” Harper Lee – To Kill a Mockingbird
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To happier things. Here are gymnast Aly Raisman’s parents watching her bar routine. You must watch to the end.
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To icky things, namely cyclists’ legs and the faces of Olympic divers.
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You know how I was rattling on about the Olympic spirit and all that rubbish yesterday? Well, China and South Korea, this ain’t it.
- Two bits of absolutely horrific heartbreak, in fencing and judo.
The hounding of Ye Shiwen
Aged 11, I was having swimming lessons at a municipal pool, when I saw some of the older boys diving off a platform. I think it was at a height of 7.5m, but if I'm honest, it was probably 5m. The teacher turned her back, so I snuck out of the pool and crept up the ladder to the board. This was going to be fun: as I'd seen, all I had to do was chuck myself off the board, keep my arms and legs close together, and bosh: instant hero to all in my class.
So I get to the end of the diving board, I look across the municipal pool, see the little specks of people swimming beneath me, at the shimmering meniscus of the water, so oddly still and taut, I put my hands together, bend slightly over the edge and... I immediately grab the hand rail and start crying, because I'm absolutely terrified.
Worst of all, the older boys are now back on the board behind me. They're pointing and laughing at me, and I try to look away from them, but if I look away I'm reminded how high up I am, and my God I can't jump down there God no God no God no, but the older boys are now heading straight for me, and what happens next is, well, it's actually exactly what happened to Mr Bean except I also wet myself when I got back to the changing rooms and I think my parents had to pick me up early. I learned two very important lessons that day:
1) Water can actually be a very painful substance when the first thing to make contact with it is your face.
2) That was the closest I ever came to being an Olympic athlete, which means the stuff they do must be pretty incredible.
I suppose that was a very convoluted way of saying that Olympic athletes regularly do things which are so amazing as to almost be beyond our comprehension. And this is a convoluted way of saying that John Leonard, US Swimming coach, really needs to shut the hell up.
Leonard it is who's had plenty to say about Ye Shiwen, the Chinese teenager who broke the 400m Medley Record on July 28 with an incredible time of 4 minutes 28.43 seconds. And as has been reported, over and over again, in parts of it she swam faster than US champion Ryan Lochte. It's all very dodgy, right? Well, maybe.
Now I was going to interview some people and write a long and detailed piece about how, actually, her performance is incredible but not necessarily, as Leonard alleges, "disturbing", about how Ruta Meilutyte pulled off a performance not all that far away from Ye's at this very Games and yet no eyebrows have been raised - but then I stumbled across this blog which basically makes all the points better than I would, so it's probably best I just direct you there.
One of the many dissenting voices in the face of Leonard's comments has been Ian Thorpe (I love him more by the day, more so after reading this description), who pointed out he had also improved his personal-best time by five seconds in a year during the early part of his career. I'm inclined to listen to him, as I imagine he knows his stuff, and also because I find him slightly mesmeric.
Of course Ye might have fooled the doping regime. But we know doping agencies are far better than they were back in the 1990s (when there clearly was a problem with Chinese swimmers), so is it fair for Leonard to make insinuations about a 16-year-old girl with absolutely no evidence to back his claims? As I wrote yesterday, there is no Games without trust between competitor and spectator. If there's a case to be answered, Leonard going to the media makes no difference either way. And assuming he’s wrong, it's a needless gesture that demeans the spectacle and humiliates a young lady. Way to go.
David Bond, the BBC sports journalist who's already annoyed a load of cycling fans with a similar line, told the Six O'Clock News that if Ye won the 200m individual medley by a huge margin "she'll face questions." Well, she did win: with an Olympic (not World) record, having been overtaken at one point. She should face questions, and they should be exactly the same asked of any Gold medal winner.
On the plus side the former president of the World Anti-Doping Agency has been doing some interviews about the affair. It’s always nice to see Dick Pound on the Ten O’Clock News.
UPDATE 02/08/2012 10:30:
My assertion with reference to the Tom Daley Twitter troll case that it's better to "walk on by" was poorly-worded: I was trying to emphasise my belief that no good can come of a mob retaliation towards an online abuser. There's nothing wrong with intervening, but as anywhere else, it's better done through the appropriate channels: Twitter being the obvious place to start.
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27 comments
Leonard is a showing poor sportsmanship, all because his swimming finished second in a close race.
I'd like to see the quote from the American coach in context. All we know is that he said it was "disturbing" - which, hell, it is. A female beating a male swimmer by a significant margin is slightly insane. That doesn't mean he implied doping, other than perhaps in the heat of the moment.
Nob - she didn't swim faster than Lochte, the male you were referring to. Her time was 23 seconds slower than his. The media has no idea what they are talking about saying she swam faster.
Leonard should be prosecuted, banned from sports, and kicked out of Europe.
I think today's developments i.e. disqualification of far east block badminton match fixers says it all, I believe the swimmer has cheated and the dope testing is not fool proof, end of.
Maximus:
"I think today's developments i.e. disqualification of far east block badminton match fixers says it all, I believe the swimmer has cheated and the dope testing is not fool proof, end of."
I love the logic of this one. Some Asian badminton players are later disqualified for 'Poor Play', therefore Ye Shiwen earlier fooled the 'dope test' and cheated in the swimming.
Bravissimo!
Badminton palyers have got nothing to do with the swimmer, are you so jealous of that young swimmer that you have to go with those fool journalists, who are just happy to make stories. What were you doing when you were 16. Use your head before you open your mouth, end of.
THE MORONS ARE CRAWLING ON THIS SITE.
Alan White:
"If there's a case to be answered, Leonard going to the media makes no difference either way. And assuming he’s wrong, it's a needless gesture that demeans the spectacle and humiliates a young lady."
Quite so.
What is interesting is that Leonard's first port of call was the media, and not the IOC. Why do that? He must have known that he had no evidence whatsoever to back up his insinuations, therefore the IOC - quite properly - would have given him the shortest of shrift.
So, with no evidence, but with a nasty insinuation to make, he went to the media instead. Again, why do that? Well, I suppose that if it was your intention from the start to upset a high-achieving sixteen year-old athlete, and therebye put her off her form, then the best way of achieving that was by the route which Leonard took.
Very sporting people, the Americans.
Postscript: American sprinters who won Olympic gold never seemed to repeat world record performances reached in US Sports meets. Shame.
Big All - Sportscaster
Postscript: American sprinters who won Olympic gold never seemed to repeat world record performances reached in US Sports meets. Shame.
Big All - Sportscaster
Round-robin reading of 'The Perfection Point' by John Brenkus a US Sports journalist par excellence. It's the London Olympics and Boris has promised to diet once the games end.
A chapter on performance enhancing substances in the baseball world is enlightening. On a group tour of the USA in the 21st Century, just, we came across some vintage sports experts.
As our group were also knocking on, we and our new acquaintances chatted about old times.
We suspected but had it confirmed by these individuals with sports knowledge that sports stars in the professional games were most anxious to better by all possible means their performance and to lengthen it until nirvanna was reached.
Just look at the cosmetic industry.
To their own knowledge some athletes, particularly sprinters, indulged in doping as a means of improving or sustaining their performance.
This artificial enhancement reached a high-point in the fifties/sixties when white sprinters were trying to hold off rivals from the black sports population.
Performance drugs rampant in the world of the professional infiltrated into the amateur or shamateur sports world - especially when sponsorship offered a gravy train to riches.
Admittedly the Ben Johnson win in the 1988 Olympic 100 metre dash was overturned when he failed to pass a drugs test.
But it is alleged this was the dirtiest 100 metres race in history. It is claimed only two
of the finalists were 'clean', ie. had not used drugs during training or competing to improve their performance.
Some American Olympic winners have lost their integrity if not medals owing to later events.
Of course it's not only some Americans who cheat. There was evidence of cheating on both sides of the Iron and Bamboo Curtains and in today's world there are athletes who try to improve performance unfairly.
Our attention was drawn to the East German-American rivalry in the Olympic swimming pool.
The East German woman's team triumphed. The US accused them of cheating. Yet, in the next Olympics the US swim team triumphed - with lots of world record breaking by their swimmers. Pot calling kettle black?
Remember the 'butt and gut' heavy-weights' after the Ali reign. Not too successful but artificial jumbos, yea?
Of course there were the swimsuits in the aquatic field and the lifting shirt in weightlifting. And the training. And the coaching.
And Sour Grapes. No sooner do the USA dispense with the Soviet Union and the East Germans than along come the Red Chinese. Gutted.
Armchair Athletes
Round-robin reading of 'The Perfection Point' by John Brenkus a US Sports journalist par excellence. It's the London Olympics and Boris has promised to diet once the games end.
A chapter on performance enhancing substances in the baseball world is enlightening. On a group tour of the USA in the 21st Century, just, we came across some vintage sports experts.
As our group were also knocking on, we and our new acquaintances chatted about old times.
We suspected but had it confirmed by these individuals with sports knowledge that sports stars in the professional games were most anxious to better by all possible means their performance and to lengthen it until nirvanna was reached.
Just look at the cosmetic industry.
To their own knowledge some athletes, particularly sprinters, indulged in doping as a means of improving or sustaining their performance.
This artificial enhancement reached a high-point in the fifties/sixties when white sprinters were trying to hold off rivals from the black sports population.
Performance drugs rampant in the world of the professional infiltrated into the amateur or shamateur sports world - especially when sponsorship offered a gravy train to riches.
Admittedly the Ben Johnson win in the 1988 Olympic 100 metre dash was overturned when he failed to pass a drugs test.
But it is alleged this was the dirtiest 100 metres race in history. It is claimed only two
of the finalists were 'clean', ie. had not used drugs during training or competing to improve their performance.
Some American Olympic winners have lost their integrity if not medals owing to later events.
Of course it's not only some Americans who cheat. There was evidence of cheating on both sides of the Iron and Bamboo Curtains and in today's world there are athletes who try to improve performance unfairly.
Our attention was drawn to the East German-American rivalry in the Olympic swimming pool.
The East German woman's team triumphed. The US accused them of cheating. Yet, in the next Olympics the US swim team triumphed - with lots of world record breaking by their swimmers. Pot calling kettle black?
Remember the 'butt and gut' heavy-weights' after the Ali reign. Not too successful but artificial jumbos, yea?
Of course there were the swimsuits in the aquatic field and the lifting shirt in weightlifting. And the training. And the coaching.
And Sour Grapes. No sooner do the USA dispense with the Soviet Union and the East Germans than along come the Red Chinese. Gutted.
Armchair Athletes
Any quantum leap of this type in performance in any disciplinemust, unfortunately, give rise to suspicions. Ben Johnson swore blind that he was clean, even got up in church and declared before de Lawd dat it was so. He was lying. Also, I doubt he was the only dirty athlete in that race in Korea. Linford Christie didnt put on that muscle bulk that quick by following the Jane Fonda workout video.
Given (a) the fact that the Chinks have previous form in using Human Growth Hormone (b) the kid is only 16 and (c) there is not much of a previous Chinese swimming tradition of success, there is obviously a case to answer. The last olympic swimmer to come from nowehere and record this type of improvement was Michelle Smith. (remember her)
In that 88 final I believe only two of the eight athletes were never caught for doping infringements, Calvin Smith and Robson Da Silva.
That win was mighty suspicious. Hardly surprising it caused comments from other swimmers and coaches.
I know this story offers a wonderful opportunity to knock the USA (for the coach). However, I watched this live as it happened, and the first person who INSTANTLY not-so-subtly suggested foul play was Clare Balding.
I know this story offers a wonderful opportunity to knock the USA (for the coach). However, I watched this live as it happened, and the first person who INSTANTLY not-so-subtly suggested foul play was Clare Balding.
I know this story offers a wonderful opportunity to knock the USA (for the coach). However, I watched this live as it happened, and the first person who INSTANTLY not-so-subtly suggested foul play was Clare Balding.
I know this story offers a wonderful opportunity to knock the USA (for the coach). However, I watched this live as it happened, and the first person who INSTANTLY not-so-subtly suggested foul play was Clare Balding.
I know this story offers a wonderful opportunity to knock the USA (for the coach). However, I watched this live as it happened, and the first person who INSTANTLY not-so-subtly suggested foul play was Clare Balding.
To get this straight: you think if you see one teenager, even one with "fairly obvious issues", shouting uncontrolled abuse at another teenager in the street, and the teenager being harangued draws your attention to it, then the correct response is to "dip your head, walk on by, and ignore it"?
I wasn't part of the pitchfork crowd, and agree that it wasn't a good way of dealing with the situation (and some of the pitchfork-wielders may find themselves in every bit as much trouble as the original troll), but I've seen too many people saying that Daley shouldn't have said anything (essentially victim-blaming), and that there shouldn't have been any substantive response.
Okay, this particular troll *probably* wasn't going to carry out his threats. But it's not exactly unknown for disturbed, rage-fuelled, uncontrolled young men to carry out violent acts in real-life space as well as online. My main concern now is that this doesn't prevent other people who make serious threats online, including the frequent rape and death threats made to too many women for the crime of being female and online, from being investigated too.
Did I say Daley should have ignored it? No.
Did I say you did? No. But you did suggest everyone else should have. In the context of your analogy, a horribly depressing idea. I hope my kid is never in trouble when you walk by.
I'd probably try to contact the relevant authorities. The online equivalent would be tweeting directly to Twitter to get the account banned. But you know what? I'd rather everyone ignored the troll than abused and encouraged others to do the same, given the death threats only came once they did that. If that's somehow 'victim blaming' I can live with it.
I'd like to see the quote from the American coach in context. All we know is that he said it was "disturbing" - which, hell, it is. A female beating a male swimmer by a significant margin is slightly insane. That doesn't mean he implied doping, other than perhaps in the heat of the moment.
Anyway, it would be like if we saw some context, other than just everybody getting together and calling him a bad person.
"A female beating a male swimmer by a significant margin ...". This is a gross distortion of the fact. This is disturbing.
Read an objective analysis of the numbers before justifying a unprofessional comment from a professional. We all know the implication when he said 'unbelievable' or 'disturbing'. Its a hurtful comment to anyone who engages in competitive sports and is bordering on being a vicious when it is directed to a 16 yrs' old girl.