@Allyf

Ok its the usual string of false hoods and false accusations that are put together by David Futrelle.

The Spearhead have repeatedly said that they are not a men's rights blog - they are a traditionalist blog, the mrm is largely about being free from traditionalism, inMalaFide is an american alt right blog.

Paul Elams "Bash Violent B month" is anti-violence, anti bullying and anti sexist double standards.

Tom Martins comments were odd, and not the norm in mainstream mrm.

I asked you to show me real examples, I was going to require that you didn't just repeat examples David Futrelles yellow journalism and false accusations and claim that's an accurate reflection of the mrm.

I asked you to provide evidence of the accusation you made in relating to sex crimes.

" as it is pretty much the only example they can find of violent misandry from a feminist site)"

Are you telling lies AllyF?

The magic number to bring the males under control is ~30% of the population
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Females don’t have to kill baby boys. Just not nurture them. Females are forced to birth baby boys, but beyond that a female’s physical actions are her own.
Males will die without the constant infusion of female energy that they get from our wombs and from our lives. They are perfectly welcome to take the male infants from the hands of the midwife, and what they do with it from that point is their decision.
Females need to not be emotionally and intellectually invested in a male future.
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Men oppress us, so it’s no good getting annoyed at women for raising boys, although I certainly agree that lowering the male population is important, and I’ll never forget those two midwives who killed every boy baby for decades to prevent the warring between the tribes.That is a hopeful, positive story.
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Even if we killed off 90% of men, the majority of women left over would do their best to keep the oppressive system. I’d dare say we’d have to kill off all the women too and leave the little girls and radfems to create the utopia.
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it occurs to me that a female ob/gyn that was willing to perform sex-selective abortions on male fetuses would be giving a gift to the next generation, and preventing the future generation of girls and women being eaten alive.
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as vliet suggested, i think a biological solution would be a radical solution. such as dispatching male babies at birth.

http://radicalhub.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/

The framing of abuse as gendered in normal in feminist discourse, you cannot show an example of more wide spread misogyny in the mrm.

Im asking you to demonstrate the mens movement doing something that feminism isn't doing to a greater extent and to provide evidence that what you allege is the norm, is in fact the norm.

Not to demonstrate that you believe that feminism gets a free pass, and that when women do it and do it to far greater extents, its different.

When we start seeing MRAs calling women, all women, "pigs", then maybe you'll have a point.

When we start seeing rpae awareness training calling all women potential rapists - which after all is true but not helpful - than we can talk about "misogyny" in the MRM.

Calling someone a whore or a slut is pretty insignificant compared to calling them a rapist - ask any women which she would rather be called, with an actual possibility of jail time, which in far too many jurisdictions is far to distant a possibility - and in fact it is nothing more than erasure by false equivalence to even compare them.

This is a case of you seeing men and women in different classes, the female class are allowed to hate on the male class, its normalised so it flyes under the radar, while the slightest criticism of the female class by the male class is coded as blasphemy and so is more visible.

There is nothing in mens activism that can be compared to feminism's covering up female perpetrated abuse to support its misandric patriarchal dominance theory.

"Processes Explaining the Concealment and Distortion
of Evidence on Gender Symmetry in Partner Violence"

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Met...

The closest things we have to compare to feminism's use of pseudo science to castigate men are similar politically motivated operations carried out in the past against various races.

HI ally no 'agreeing to disagree' is not good enough.

we can find evidence of misandry and misogyny in the men's rights movement and feminism. we can also find evidence of which one of those movements has more power and representation in academia and the media.

If you write a book on this subject you will need to have done your research. 'Opinion' is for lazy hacks like Suzanne Moore.

I think women's domestic violence and rape charities are suspicious of men because they are on the whole run by extremist radical feminists whose whole raison d'etre is to spread suspicion and distrust of men.

For example The Eaves Project, the Poppy Project and the Lilith research wing of Eeaves.

Ah, good to see he also considers that definition. I prefer seeing sexism as only discrimination that's geared against women because then it has more weight; to include the discrimination men face I think in some cases waters it down, especially when you look at how aggressively a lot of "Men's Rights" groups peddle their points. I do agree any discrimination and injustice is wrong, and I would class myself as someone who campaigns for gender liberation as a whole, with female equality being at least a step towards that. Cuz it is fair to say many men face a lot of problems trying to fit in with the conventional view of masculinity, and as much as the nature of the feminine gender role hurts women through disempowerment, the masculine gender role can hurt men by casting them as strong, less emotional etc. which I think is a decisive reason on why men are more likely to face harsh sentences in the courts. There seems to be an underlying paternalism with women that inclines towards protecting them from hostile environments, and an almost macho affirmation involved with entering males into prison.