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When somebody is paid to say the worst possible thing, it allows someone else to say the next worst
Laurie is not telling the truth, limbaugh complains correctly about other people having to be forced to pay for some dumb bints pill. One assumes she is not a strong and independent woman then, nor that she objects to the government in her uterus as she expects them to pay for medicating it.
Although like most feminists she is ugly, being ugly or made that way by her political views.
How one can be any type of fascist crypto or not when one wishes to decrease the power of government is something only the Penny can answer (does she understand the meaning of the word?)
Come to think of it she could pay for the pill out of her own inheritance.
I can’t wait for the moment when some radio twat on a shitty radio show victimises Tesco Shelf Stacker whilst millions listen, and then some twats come on here to defend the radio twat by saying ‘if you don’t like it then don’t tune in.’ Oh how I will laugh.
how retarded are you? this bit half wit; if you want to be part of a modern society then you will just have to accept that some of your tax goes on things you either will never personally benefit from, or, do not personally approve of.
"Yes I ignored your success of showing yourself...."
unfortunately i don't have that luxury; i find egocentric antisocial prudes like you make grand proclamations that i can't ignore. and as Sir M has gone the polite route, i'll take the low road and call you what you are. delighted to see the sheer vulgarity upsets you so. there's plenty more if you want more...
John Cheese - "Forcing Catholic churches to provide contraceptives is the equivalent of making muslims eat barbecue pork sandwiches."
No. It is the equivalent of forcing Muslims to pay taxes to subsidise pig farmers, which we do.
It is also the equivalent of asking atheists to subsidise financial shortfalls in faith schools, which we also do.
So it's perfectly acceptable to ask the Catholic community to stump up and pay up. We ALL pay for shit we don't agree with, it's a consequence of a civil society. As Jon Stewart said; "Reimburse me for the Iraq war and diaphrams are on me"
Keep saying it, sweetie, sadly being untrue no matter how many times you repeat it, it won't become true.
Better a half wit than a quarter wit.
Oooohhhh I'm cut...oh no I'm not. Yaaaawn.
So that we force to happen already makes it right? So we shoul unthinkingly do more of it. Lordy the naiveté is stunning.
Jankaas - that lindberg thing just copy and quoted a paragraph of mine from earlier then put the link.
It's a spammer, but is trying to duck the radar by putting something that might be relevant to the actual discussion. New Statesman really needs to moderate and monitor it's site better.
I'm moralising! Oh nurse the irony, the irony!
It is not being a miser wishing to not spend under threats the fruits of my labour on people who should pay for their own contraception which is after all very cheap.
It does not benefit the part of society who pay the money, only those who do not.
Force women to have children? I'm sorry but how? Are they incapable, the poor little flowers of working and controlling their own lives. Hardly strong and independent then are they?
You are free to do as you wish in your life, yet seem incapable of extending the same freedoms to others to act as they see fit, how very strange.
'bile-spitting Conservative radio wingnut'
Small 'c', Laurie. As far as I know, Limbaugh's not a Tory. Also. I'm no defender of his, but 'crypto-fascist'? Really? Calm down, dear. Attacking emotion-based politics with emotional rhetoric is rather self-defeating.
Anyone else think the NS should dedicate a section each issue to grown up, well reasoned political debate? A truly radical idea.
"He apologised a week later."
go on then, just for balance, how did Rush phrase his apology?
and of course, what caused him to apologise?
any idea Roger?
Rush is a professional troll.
Whether it is blog commenters or columnists like Laurie, the same rule applies. Don't feed the troll. Starve them of attention.
On a different note, there is a debate to be had on whether contraception should be covered by private or public health insurance. And that debate isn't best started by screaming that anyone who opposes it is a misogynist psychopath who is waging a war on women. Though I'm not sure Penny knows of any other way to approach a debate.
"No. It is the equivalent of forcing Muslims to pay taxes to subsidise pig farmers, which we do."
damn, your porky pig comparison to John beats mine. i must try harder!
and i note that your other target still wishes to deny the inescapable realities of living in a modern secular society. well colour me shocked...
Do I benefit from the Internet. Yes, so that would mean? Your inversion of simple logic is telling regarding your intellect.
No jackass, you have not explained anything between appearing ignorant and throwing insults. Although it is revealing that those true believers who wish to create a society are so intolerant of people who diagree with them, it hardly speaks well of their abilities.
i know little fella, 20 past nine is past nighty night time. for you it's a school night after all no?...sweet dreams zzzzz
allowing Catholic Institutions to opt out of contraception coverage is like allowing Muslims to have Sharia Law.
Adults (personal responsibility), contracts (personal probity and responsibility between individuals) and families (personal responsibility).
As I siad lacking in some here, as it would seem are manners. I can see why you fail in life and expect others to pay for you.
"No jackass, you have not explained anything between appearing ignorant and throwing insults. Although it is revealing that those true believers who wish to create a society are so intolerant of people who diagree with them, it hardly speaks well of their abilities."
And yet you:
"You two should hold hands, the first synapse in either of your lives would be created."
"Oh dear our pig farmer with a care for people too Ill to make love has another go."
"Of course one then has to accept that giving jackass the pill for free is like feeding a pig. "
"I ignored your success of showing yourself to be a low class vulgar offensive degenerate"
Are you really that unself-aware? I suppose you must be, that is the only way this sort of hardline libertarianism can persist.
"Do I benefit from the Internet. Yes, so that would mean? Your inversion of simple logic is telling regarding your intellect. "
You benefit from contraception. Overpopulation has potentially terrible consequences and paying for condoms and pills is cheaper than paying for children (I am going to assume you are not a complete sociopath so wouldn't endorse simply allowing said children to starve to death if the parents couldn't afford them).
"Oh Joy, our unwell hypothetical pill buyer is now cured but sadly is too poor to buy contraceptives, well I suppose the are many jobs where you are not paid enough to buy condoms...oh no there are not"
Hypothetical? Are you saying there isn't a connection with poverty and the tendancy for people to have massive families?
Dude, libertarianism is a crank political idea. The notion that you can have a society without the actual society part is absolutely daft. You can argue about where best to allocate resources or argue about the merits and pitfalls of private vs public services or whatever.
You can not say that people shouldn't look out for each other and still pretend to be an intelligent person. People have been looking out for you your entire life, are doing so now, and will continue to do so even after you die (tombstones and undertakers don't grow on trees).
Does the NHS pay for condoms? No. Are British women the victims of state oppression?
Let no-one understate the true hideousness of Limbaugh's comments but let's also not forget that all that is at stake here is the idea of forcing institutions to pay for something that we, with state-funded healthcare, would only ever imagine paying for ourselves.
I love it, not 2 weeks after Rush calls out a 30 yr "activist" on the carpet & gets criticized, 0bama-lama has a fundraiser in Atlanta on 3/17 & invited rapper Cee-Lo sings his song F**k you on stage. Stay classy First Golfer...
What if they don't work because there aren't any jobs available? Or because they are students on low hours? Or have wages which make contraceptives prohibitively expensive? Or are too sick to work?
Is it not better and cheaper for the government to bulk buy then to simply give the contraceptives out?
you're 100% wrong Dean. you do know how to Google don't you..?
since half the human population is in need of this basic essential, why on earth shouldn't we just share the cost? it's not a male or female issue in that sense, it is a human health issue. there is no argument about cost worth making, it just looks petty.
Speaking of Satan, I was watching Rush Limbaugh the other day. Doesn't Rush Limbaugh remind you of one of those gay guys that like to lie in a tub while other guys pee on him?
Excellent piece, astute analysis coupled with zesty prose.
This is about Gvt mandating Religious organizations. I predict poll-reader 0bummer will back down off this in the summer/fall.
Jankass, it's called choice something I assumed you support.
Forcing Catholic churches to provide contraceptives is the equivalent of making muslims eat barbecue pork sandwiches.
Indeed. Bait and switch. Scum like Limbaugh (and Delingpole here) are the bait.
Yes - choice. So that people can choose to use contraceptives or not use them we make them available to all regardless of their bank balance.
That is the essence of choice.
@Dean - "Does the NHS pay for condoms? No. Are British women the victims of state oppression?"
Yes they do. Not just condoms, but the pill and other forms of birth control.
Ohhh... and vibrators...
It's a good job Rush doesn't live here. He'd be demanding a lot more in the way of video clips
Ah -- with the difference that Delingpole's influence is nil.
@Explain please - "Clearly Rush said something awful, but beyond the insulting words, please can someone explain what is the essential issue? Is he saying that the state should not pay for contraceptives? If yes, what is exactly wrong with it?"
It costs far less to pay for contraceptives than pay for the maintenance of children wouldn't you agree?
If people without adequate money can't afford contraceptives the state should pay as it actually saves money. This is a complete non-argument.
The essence you of course choose to deny others, the choice not to pay for others healthcare. Of course those people can access healthcare, by simply working and paying for it.
How unsurprising that 'choice' is only the choice to do what a lefty fascist thinks is correct and that choice is fine when killing the unborn, but not when accepting responsibility for your actions.
One can only wonder.
This is true - and it's a strategy often used in politics, where something so heinous that no sane person would accept it is trotted out as a possible new law, & then after a vociferous campaign against it by the public, the government appears to back down, tabling instead a bill that had they not preceded it with the insane abomination would have been rejected as bad & wrong, but is now accepted with sighs of relief or resignation by the now exhausted activists.
Why is she in America writing hot air about the US? Isn't there enough going on here? Or was it a personal whim, that she just thought it "might be nice"? Who's paying for her to be there? And why? Why not cover the awful antics of the Coalition, rather than scratch the clown surface of the US?
More and more irritating, week by week.
Why should I share the cost? Why do I not have the option not to?
Oh silly me it's another lefty fascist 'right' that means other people pay.
Ms Penny's argument would be stronger if she looked at the wider misogamy in the American media. Pundits on the left have said far worse things about women and they get away with it.
Just take a look at this clip, where leading Democratic members of Congress who (rightly) condemned Rush Limbaugh refuse to take a similar stand for similar (if not worse) words used by left-wing pundit Bill Maher:
Bill Maher's views on Sarah Palin's daughter, Bristol Palin:
If we're really going to combat the "War on Women", we need to fight the sexism, regardless who says it...
Silican, I see you're just as confused as Laurie. Were you outside of St Paul's chanting silly slogans and waving placards a few months back?
'Why? who really cares about the outcome of any such debate.' Certainly not Laurie. She knows it all, and she'll not hear anyone say different
Why can't men have icky, sticky bodies? That's misandry
"One can only wonder."
...that if your parents had known what a prick you would turn out to be, to have used a condom when he came inside your mum, or for your dad to just have shot his load her face, or her sister's?
now that's what i call 'choice' Fgtyhgfre. i think the two-some would have been the best 'choice'. no?
Why IS James Delingpole, Nick?
Er, not to come across as argumentative, but the President of the United States of America phoned Sandra Fluke to offer support. That rates pretty high on my "putting up a fight" scale...
"Of course those people can access healthcare, by simply working and paying for it."
What if they can't? What if they are too sick to work or jobs are simply unavailable? Or what if they do work but can't afford contraceptives?
It is cheaper to pay for contraceptives than to pay for somone who is hard up in the first place to have kids. Even for someone like Rush this is a no-brainer surely?
Americans call this a "war on women", but only one side appears to be putting up a fight.
Laurie Penny is a contributing editor to the New Statesman.