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Gesture politics are good for only one thing: taking the edge off public outrage.
Tags: Occupy London RBS Bank Bonuses
Poverty in Britain the reality and the exposure of unchecked Capitalism
Introduction: Blues Singer Madeline Peyroux singing 'The Prayer'
A challenge to change UK's materialistic society before there can be any real economic lasting recovery... real social justice and true morality is needed in UK society and business.
It a very challenging you tube video link if you watched it ; a reminder of this callous, selfish, greedy world; and the real consequences of unchecked capitalism; with so few having so, so much and whilst many have next to nothing: 99% having only 1% of the UK's money to share, whilst 99% of the money is owned by around I% of 'New & Old Rich', many without conscience or shame, who seem to live their greedy self indulgent materialistic lavish life styles, without or a social conscience; whilst their fellow UK citizens starve or freeze to death!
We need to challenge the unchecked free market capitalist and materialist 'con trick' that is collapsing all around us, the bubble has burst and has now been found for what it really was; empty, superficial, materialistic and almost worthless; without substance or strong foundations, which for the most part has not brought any lasting happiness; only misery, debt and brokenness; many people now have little hope for the future.
The prolonged recession is bringing forced severe austerity on millions of British people, the materialistic dream in recent years achieved only by living beyond our means on credit and massive personal debt. Believing that you must have 'nice new things' to find happiness, no matter how many items or how valuable or modern, nothing purchased ever brought real lasting happiness in the first place; but millions of people were deceived into believing this, by clever marketing and advertising campaigns, totally supported by the media; including national newspapers, TV advertising and the glossy magazines etc,
So people pursued the false glamorous seemingly happy lives of the shallow false 'two mins. of fame celebrities', who are and have been often found without worthy values or any substance. These shallow false heroes fit well with the materialistic sham society that has been created by the media, mostly for their own manipulation of real people to make lots of money using the 'people circus' or 'gladiator pit' they have created; commonly know now as reality TV.
At last the recession is making some people wake up with a very cold shower and the realisation of just how deep they are in the mire of debt; whilst chasing the materialistic carrot that was dangled in front of them for so long. Some are starting to find that only the simple things of life and the family and close friends that you know and love can bring real happiness, no possessions can do that. It is time to get back to basics and take stock of our lives, to value the simple things of life that really matter and the genuine people we know; who might have very little but in actual fact are the salt of the earth.
Perhaps we should start to ask ourselves a question when we are buying something we want...do we really need it? or am I just buying it for no good reason. ( There is a big difference between want and need) Perhaps ask ourselves could I use that money for a much more worthy cause or project? Imagine if enough people started to live this way and started to apply it to who they banked with, who they invested with ( were they an ethical company) who we bought our energy from, which shops we bought our food, and indeed the food we buy where does it come from and does it have any nutritional value etc etc...the combined effect of mass people purchase power or boycotts could be very effective and be the quickest way of bringing the free market, including major UK companies or even foreign companies operating in the UK to a position of responsibility and not taking the customer for granted. Perhaps we might see a more prudent approach and more fairness and accountably to the customer, rather than exploiting the customer to the max as we see so often at the moment.
All business people; in fact all individuals will ultimately be judged by God for their actions and decisions in this world, no man or woman will escape the ultimate judgement when we die: We come into the world naked and we leave it the same way; nothing we possess in this world can we take with us. If people would remember this, perhaps they might change their ways for the common good of all people, with us all treating our fellow man or woman the same way as a family member, in other words 'to do unto others as we would like done to ourselves'. Perhaps then the UK will become a fairer and much better place to live and confidence and trust might slowly start to return to the commercial markets.
The alternative could be an economic 'Armageddon' for the UK , Europe and large parts of the world if we don't make fundamental changes now to the way we do business and manage our personal financial affairs, especially what we buy and how much we buy, before it is too late. We need values like honesty, integrity, fairness, collective responsibility, social justice, personal and corporate accountability; including caring for the weakest amongst us, the disabled, the physical and mentally ill, the elderly and the poor:
A society will be judged by the way it treats the weakest and most vulnerable amongst us; not try and make them the scapegoats for all that has gone wrong in the past; that has brought us to point of total economic collapse. Isn't this what Hitler and The Nazis did when the German economy collapsed from the early 1930s; looked for an easy vulnerable target who couldn't fight back, which subsequently led to the murder of six million Jews and many other weak people who were considered undesirables and sub-human these were the scapegoats for all that was wrong with the German economy. This was achieved by whipping up a frenzy of hate towards them. Are we seeing a similar dangerous development in the UK looking for scapegoats, especially those who have absolutely nothing to do with the current state we now find ourselves in ( many of the poor unemployed UK born citizens are actually the victims of terribly wrong government decisions of the past; like open door immigration for the thirteen years of the New Labour government) ; it is just that disabled, the sick and the poor are the easy target for the 'new macho bullies' on the block...'Lets all start kicking those who are already on the floor', it will at least give time for those who are really responsible for the financial mess we are now in; 'the big fat cats', time to make their escape whilst the people are distracted, by kicking the weakest people among them will make sure the 'fat cats' escape with their ill gotten gains; safely deposited in off shore tax havens out of the UK for future use. Just like the Nazis put their ill gotten gains in Swiss bank accounts over 60 years ago.
By Simon Icke UK
"I have come out on my brief retirement from trolling to agree with andyg. It is the three dots '...' that give it away."
darn it!...so stupid...slaps head
"Spud. You raged against Laurie that she and her kind hated the working class, but the best insult you could think of was to accuse him (or maybe her) of living in a bedsit. It is these instinctive actions that give away that you are a Toryboy."
Nope can't see it...'bedsit' is an online metanym for a furtive 30+ inadequate male...not a sign condescension
regarding David Lammy, LAurie, If the upper class public school boys who desecrated the cenotaph, had be smacked in childhood ,maybe they wouldn't have ruined statues to honour those who gave you free speech,
Oh yeah...mitch...let's get one thing straight here...I'm Mr D; Mr D isn't me. All multiple personalities need a senior partner and a lackey...Mr D is in every sense the gofer. Anyway...well done on spotting it...ever considered a career in psychology?
hang on mitch...it wasn't you at all...it was that renowned polymath and superb prose stylist, andyg. Stop trying to take the credit...it's obvious to anyone that he's the real brains behind this 'coup'.
"one of the men most responsible for the financial crisis"
Of course Gordon Brown and Ed Balls would need to be added to Laurie's punishment list.
A public flogging of this odious pair of politicians would be most welcomed by the public. Especially the working classes.
The sentencing should take into account:
1. Each time the phrase "no more boom and bust" was boasted
2. The fact that no heartfelt apology has been forthcoming
3. That Labour presided over a debt fuelled decade of irresponsibility.
Well Spud, what a merry dance you lead. And you accuse Laurie of making things up. Well at least I have remained the same (though with new names), so I am me, Divine is you, you are called Paul (though that episode of recognition may also be a falsification), and andyg is someone not to be messed with, despite his giggling girlish prose.
I never claimed credit either, I agreed with andyg.
I wouldn't do psychology because I consider it a pseudo-science.
What amazes me now is the thought that I could ever have hoped to fool you. You are clearly a man to be reckoned with. I'll get Divine to nip on later and apologise 'in person'. Come out Mr D...I know you're in there somewhere!
"giggling girlish prose."...ouch!
Was the French Revolution (1789)the result of moral decline or a response to a succession of failed harvests that drove the repressed and exploited masses over the edge? Well, we all know that morality was not the main issue - bread was - and that a starving population, as a result, simply, and at last, rejected their ancient lot as the slaves of the rich? The thinking was: if society will not help the starving poor whilst protecting the rich, why should the poor cow tow any longer? And were the August riots any different? Of course not. Like the Frence peasants, the August rioters were driven to riot by the reponse of the 'ancien regime' to the recession: austerity for the masses but gravy as usual for the rich. Rioting was inevitable and the Tory response was predictable: criminalise the rioters. The question is: will the Occupy mmovement become the new Enlightenment and will we see the birth of a new morality that is not fixated on endogenous growth, dominance of the city, rampant individualism etc etc - will we see, in effect, a just society based on co-operation and equality.
Another brilliant and incisive article by Laurie, greeted as always by the usual tiresome trolling from those with nothing better to do.
"Dunno why I bother" writes Spud Middleton, along with his usual gratuitous insults to Laurie. If only he did bother, bother to concentrate his fire on our extreme and dangerous government of velvet glove fascists.
We hardly need anthropologists and psychologists to prove that right-wingers are thick, we only need to read the unmitigated tripe which they write underneath Laurie's articles.
".... oh that's four dots"
Shall we join the dots? Y.A.W.N.
Don't be such a hypocrite, Mr Blofeld! Why don't you remind us how, in 2007, the little prat Osborne promised to match Labour's spending plans and even increase them??
I couldn't agree with you more Mitch. It's midday here in Australia and I've just been to the shops to buy some unnecessary consumer goods; cat food (don't need cats), bread (crackers are more efficient and lighter to carry), tinned tomates and pasta (another bloody spag bol), milk (can drink water), chocolate biscuits (I'm eating one now but I didn't really need to), etc etc. So got to agree with Simon Icke UK about needing to buy consumer goods. Now I'm yawning my head off .... (five!). These consumer goods didn't entertain me in the slightest. There's some beer in the fridge but I have to be careful with alcohol because I'm a greedy pig and being on medication it can screw up all me wiring.
PS Ivan: I've done lots of different jobs and been a house cleaner, street sweeper and an industrial cleaner in a steel works. I really enjoy sweeping up stuff... don't you?
I've just read on Laurie's twitter page that she ate some mouldy crackers and now she feels sick. What a silly thing to do. It's important to check your food for mould and other defects. I still eat quite a bit from skips but I make sure its good tucker. Here's a song for Laurie:
You must be the most arrogant fool alive.
"Did you miss the bit about changes happening after 2019? The obvious intention is to kick it far enough off that the Tories have a chance to win the next election and then simply not bother. You can't talk about action that might happen at some point to defend an argument that is taking place today."
The easy win is to point out the rules will be enforced by 2019 at latest. So you remembered the year from glancing at the paper, but couldn't remember it's significance. Go back to Sesame Street and revise the difference between "before" and "after".
The next point is that legislation was promised in the lifetime in this Parliament. So that makes a mockery of your 'not bother' argument. Now please come up with some stupid rationalization. For example, you might want to argue something truly ridiculous like the government's plan being to pass the law before the election, then win the election, then repeal the law after.
But really the worst offense is that you don't understand the most fundamental argument behind Labour's economic policy. Labour believes, rightly or wrongly, that borrowing more to spend more will helpfully stimulate the economy, and that Osborne is horribly horribly wrong for wanting to cut savagely etc because it will lead to economic freefall etc. So - and I assume you actually know what capital reserves are - more rapidly introducing more onerous capital ratios will have what impact on private sector borrowing and spending? And hence what impact on the economy? Can you work it out for yourself?
So please explain, Mitch, do you want more aggressive introduction of more severe capital ratios? Fine. That would put you somewhere to the political right of the fools who engineered the 'great' in the 'great depression'. Or do you only believe governments can be trusted to borrow and spend, and everyone else should not be allowed to? Hint: some people in the 99% have borrowed money too. And maybe the best way to quickly de-risk the system and build up the additional capital reserves you desire would be if banks (even the ones owned by the government) charged higher interest rates to those with a mortgage? That would be a quick and effective way to de-risk the system, as it would quickly reveal who is least able to service their loans, so their homes can be repossessed and sold on cheaply to rich people with plenty of spare cash. The banks would lose a little, some borrowers would lose quite a lot more, but it would very effectively reduce risk. It would also make people homeless, but why should a genius like you worry about that?
We need to challenge the unchecked free market capitalist and materialist 'con trick' that is collapsing all around us, the bubble has burst and has now been found for what it really was; empty, superficial, materialistic and almost worthless; without substance or strong foundations, which for the most part has not brought any lasting happiness; only misery, debt and brokenness; many people now have little hope for the future. http://www.diyhomerenovations.org/
Mr. Divine. Very good post, I agree with every word of it. However, I can't help wondering - are you a cleaner by any chance?
Cutting through all the insults and Tory mantras about what Labour policies would lead to, it seems that we are agreed that banking reform is a good thing.
So let's see it happen. I'm glad you corrected me as perhaps there is hope. But let's see it happen. Seeing is believing with this Govt., actually with all politicians - they will say anything to get elected, make all kinds of promises.
But if it is a good thing why aren't the banks keen to get on with it? they should be leading the way saying 'never mind 2019, lets get this show on the road'.
I'm just about to clean my teeth and go to bed. Nite nite.
I agree that her article does carry the sentiments of a lot of us, I just wish she would say what she has to in half the space and not waffle so.
I agree, Laurie, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm sure there IS a moral decline these days brought about by lack of cultural standards as well as economic unfairness. People are less restrained and therefore less pleasant than when I was young several decades ago.
Another thoroughly silly article, mainly because it just reiterates what has been said in all the press from right to left, but also because it misunderstands many things - including the Archbish of C who for once had understood and blamed the riots NOT on moral decline but on loss of rights and impossible life styles.
Look it up, Penny, before you put pen to paper! I'm fed up with reading these articles hoping to find something either new - or correct.
I agree with Penny. The real aims should be equality of wealth and income. And of work, which means those who in the last couple or so of generations have lived as academics, politicians, rich layabouts, chattering classes members, Oxbridge wofflers, etc should do the heavy manual lifting for a generation or two, with the gender imbalance in such work reversed of course. (Yep, social class inversion or revolution. How else can we decide who should do that work - the manual labour already done as well as what will have to be done when we finally start making our own stuff instead of telling the Asians to do it for us?)
We can start by naming the groups that should be labouring in the public parks, collecting and sorting refuse, working the black stuff etc, not by punishment but in the name of inter-generational equality.
Third generation Oxbridge arts and social science degree people, aristos, politicians, bankers, executives, media types, military top brass come immediately to mind.
We'd like some Dimbleby, (Vera) Brittain and Sheffield family grandchildren to do the thirty year stint on the road gangs here, please, Comrades.
It's not magic, it's the glass floor they walk on, that makes the bourgeoisie seem incapable of getting their hands soiled by proper jobs.
Yep, I agree with Penny. Equality in income wealth and work is the real (achievable) aim
Talking of gesture politics, how much do you earn, Miss Penny?
My God, stopped clock right twice a day and all that. You're spot on to say Goodwin getting his knighthood taken off him is nothing but silly gesture politics. Shame on both Miliband and Cameron for egging it up (more on the former, who probably believes it was important to take it off him, than the latter who clearly is only interested in it as a PR stunt)
Laurie Penny is a contributing editor to the New Statesman.