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So now the NOW is gone. Does that mean the good people of this country are going to stop buying "the Sun"? Nope!
Flasbuck, what is sooo funny? Forgotten to take your medication again?
Well said Laurie!

As an American let me tell you about how Rupert Murdoch gave our country Glenn Beck, a right wing rabble-rouser so extreme even sympathetic conservatives at Murdoch's FOX News network had a hard time tolerating him. Many split from the company dogma and pleaded to have his daily hour long show canceled because it was too inflammatory and bigoted but Murdoch loved Beck and ignored their pleas. It wasn't until an ad hoc group of African-American citizens called Color of Change led a boycott against Beck's sponsors that Murdoch relented and Beck was let go from the cable "news" network. The lesson we Americans learned was that even though Murdoch and News Corp my hold an undue sway over our politics and national discourse he can't force us to buy his product. Don't wait for the government or the police to do the job – organize and take the fight to him. The power of the boycott is still our trump card over his propaganda machine. We wish you all the best in bringing British journalistic standards back to the quality they enjoyed before Mr. Murdoch arrived on the scene.

Moronic right wing troll " On the other hand, political theory grabs me less and less each year."

So that is why you come on here, A Political site and write your pointless bullshit? Right wing trolls really are too stupid.

Oh, and they do so love their right wing thug masters.

InNegative; First of all you can say everything in print is aesthetic or a work of art, for everything is created. So saying The Sun is aesthetic is meaningless.

But my point comes back to your use of language. Textural is a word that most people can't understand easily. Why can't you just use the word 'content' or composition as these are words that people can understand? Like I said you should study semantics, and in particular the prime words of Natural Semantic Metalanguage.

People also use the word 'agenda' incorrectly, and it is confusing because what they really mean is 'purpose'. Agenda is things to be discussed, usually at a meeting. Purpose is a much more accurate word.

Like I said to before all things/concepts can be explained using 24 prime words that can't be 'divisible' by other words.

BERLUSCONI, MURDOCH, BERLUSCONI AND MURDOCH

I am ashamed as a citizen of this country for ever trying to point fingers at the Italians for ever voting in a man like Silvio Berlusconi to power.

Silvio, at least was voted in a free and fair election. Who voted Rupert Murdoch in the UK?

He even had the nerve to question the choice of the American people after the last presidential election had been won and lost.

Forget Rebecca Brooks.

If Conrad Black could be put where he belongs why not the Australian with a US passport? No?

He had succcessive British governments including the Police in his pocket. We the people let him. Shame on us.

When I say we live in a 'textural reality', I mean that a clear point of view is no longer enough. In the world of images, there is more going on in the mind than goes on in 'x is right and y is wrong'. In using an image to say 'x is right', you generally convey a lot of primal, irrational and aesthetic pleasure too. An image is never completely rational even if the idea behind it is.

News and entertainment have imploded into each other - much to Charlie Brooker's chagrin. Entertainment is textural/aesthetic. The news today too is textural/aesthetic. Brooker looks back to a golden age of media where the pressman just gave us the news. This was a literate/word-based culture trying to deal with TV and images. What Murdoch recognised was that that form didn't work - the modern mind, as it gets better at reading textures and images, doesn't want news; it wants complex emotions and aesthetic patterns. LP above is oft accused of rhetoric and hyperbole - "self interested spokeswoman of a generation, yappity yap'. What she recognises perhaps is that she has to make an appeal to a politics of texture in which reasoned argument is just one componant of the whole package. In part, left v right wing politics is then just a form of entertainemnt and a way of moving/motivating audiences and keeping people in work.

Murdoch is art insofar as he appears very good at writing to his various audiences. Moreover, he is totally detached from any fixed point of view himself (except that the market should rule). Murdoch's output has been infinitely superior say to that of Tracy Emin who is no more than a simulation of tired, prepackaged social issues. In fact, a good deal of left v right wing conversation is an endless rehashing of tired and repackaged social issues - abortion rights? Rhe influence of the church in social life? For goodnessake...

Murdoch has no real existance; he is the void behind the emptying out of meaning, ideology and point of view. He's art perhaps in the same way Warhol was.

In_Negative: More on this later...

"When I say we live in a 'textural reality', I mean that a clear point of view is no longer enough. In the world of images, there is more going on in the mind than goes on in 'x is right and y is wrong'. In using an image to say 'x is right', you generally convey a lot of primal, irrational and aesthetic pleasure too. An image is never completely rational even if the idea behind it is."

Unless you accept, as a rational being, that along with the primary 'meaning' of an image you will be always cognisant of or influenced by subjective emotions aroused by associations inspired by the image. It would be entirely irrational to suppose otherwise. Rational people can sort the wheat from the chaff...then come to a rational conclusion on the basis of the wheat alone. (Relativists have varying degrees of gluten intolerance. Post-Structuralists/ Deconstructions, trendy young would-be left-liberal tyros and the likes of Ms Penny probably suffer from Coeliac disease)

"What she recognises perhaps is that she has to make an appeal to a politics of texture in which reasoned argument is just one componant of the whole package.In part, left v right wing politics is then just a form of entertainemnt "

So you're kind of affirming that she's a deliberately provocative, attention seeking, stunt pulling propagandist? Isn't that what you object to when other people say it?

"Murdoch is art insofar as he appears very good at writing to his various audiences."

Is that what art is? Aiming at specific demographics and giving them what they want? Wouldn't that make the entirety of global Capitalism art?

"Murdoch has no real existance; he is the void behind the emptying out of meaning, ideology and point of view."

If "Murdoch has no real existence" then surely he must exist only in some sort of mythological realm?

...but you go on to say..

"he is the void behind the emptying out of meaning, ideology and point of view."

So, would it be any more or less meaningful to say: "I despair at the debased nihilism of modern existence...and it's all Agamemnon's fault"?

Why can't I post as Spud Middleton?

Unless I'm getting the sums wrong?

I always see Murdoch as more a great modern artist that a demon.

http://innegative.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/rupert-murdoch-andy-gray-rich...

He is democratically elected in that everyone bought his stuff and everyone knew what he was. There are no real excuses.

The information we read and hear is then absorbed into our minds in various ways. We are all a combination of original and unoriginal thought. Unoriginal because we copy what others have thought and passed on. Original because we mix a combination of 'information' and presented them back into the world.

Where and how will my words end up?

@James: "By government and police saying 'we will sort it', you are taking responsibility away from the individual that buys these papers. They will now think 'I don't have to take responsibility for buying this paper. I will just enjoy the salacious gossip.'"

When you listen to Murdoch talk, you generally get the impression he doesn't think people are this stupid. He sees people very much as responsible, democratic consuming agents and he gives them what they want. 'If it sells, then it's good content'. 'Of course people can tell the difference between an editorial and a news story', etc. Entertainment is textural, not rational/moral - morality is as much a part of texture as sadism is. Murdoch is textural art in as much as a scene from a David Lynch film or in as much as the nonsensical simulated battle of left v right that continues to take place across a middle-class spectacular press.

Thats pretty close to what I'm on about Mr. D. I prefer 'textural' though as it gives the impression of a photograph or a more complex mix of sound, colour, speech etc that youd get in a film. All these things impact on the mind and create an experience and as such, 'genre' doesn't cut it.

If you look at Murdoch in this way, he produces a texture of textures in his various publications. An empty value system projecting a huge array of competing experiences.

(You might prefer 'pattern' to 'texture'. I play a lot of Second life. Patterns there are referred to as 'textures'.)

@Tim: "Many split from the company dogma and pleaded to have his daily hour long show canceled because it was too inflammatory and bigoted but Murdoch loved Beck and ignored their pleas."

Murdoch is not 'right wing' and he is only conservative insofar as he wishes to conserve that political (democratic?) form that he has been credited with creating. Behind Murdoch is a profound nothingness - Beck was appealing because people liked to watch Beck; Beck, like Hennity or O'Reilly are textural in that they are insane, superficially/comically ideological and brutally dogmatic respectively. Murdoch himself though only believes in you, the spectator. I'm pretty taken with the phenomenon of Fox News. Extraordinary piece of work visually and emotionally. It's almost made for youtube.

NK: sometimes the gremlins get into the NS system. It's nothing personal. It's best to post a series of shorter comments than a longer one. And don't copy and paste past failed comments.

Potter on Murdoch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnVrK38xI-A

God, I miss that man... An altogether better texture.

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Thanks for that Laurie, the first time I heard about Rupert Murdock was back in the 60's it was the Profumo affair when small time people like Kristine Keeler made well at the expense of a family break up and wrecked career. It was that kind of dirt digging that made Murdock.

It would be very difficult to indict Murdock as he will always cross his 't's' and stay on the legal side of the ledger.

I can't see his statecraft as an art as he is serving th interests of the global elite. But I will concede that a lot of us have given him power by purchasing his scandal rags.
Though I never have.

Tim has hit the nail on the head here' boycott his papers and isolate the sociopath from his sopporters. that is the only way to disarm these people.

An experience? All you are doing is watching a kind (or a genre) of film. That's the sum of your experience. You might feel something as a result of watching or reading something, but that thing is merely one of a kind.

You can categorise that film like you can with any other work of art. By categorise I mean you can lump it with another film of a similar style. Like I said it's a type of film, and a type is a genre.

You say 'inter-relation of elements'. Of course all film has interaction of people and things (dogs, cats, music, beds, colour etc etc). Because some films are similar to others in the way the things interact (like Westerns) people categorise them under the same genre.

The word 'textual' is an adjective that means related to a text. It's confusing the way you use the word. Trust me, if it doesn't make sense to someone who has a Masters in Linguistics it wont make sense to anyone else. So whatever you are trying to say will not be understood. Use a different word... like genre.

In_Negative: Sorry, I lie...

As a socialist, I doubt Sokal proposed that 'reason' alone is a sufficent underlay for a political project as you say, but rather, that a political project *not* informed by reason is utterly meaningless.

I don't know Spuddles. If there is hope, it is in this sort of sentiment being reinforced and guiding personal politics:

"They need to understand that people, on the contrary, are complex, and decent"

Mindlessly as we do consume, we are very much this too.

@Mr D.
"First of all you can say everything in print is aesthetic or a work of art, for everything is created. So saying The Sun is aesthetic is meaningless."

You can say everything has an aesthetic impact, yes. But the tabloid is designed for impact, it uses headlines, word melody, arrangement of content specifically to 'speak for and to' its audience. It uses the medium to convey a message - in that, there is a good deal of what you can call art over, say, a paper that concerns facts.

"People also use the word 'agenda' incorrectly, and it is confusing because what they really mean is 'purpose'. Agenda is things to be discussed, usually at a meeting. Purpose is a much more accurate word."

I'll give you this though.

When I say everything, I mean everything. All landscape has been created, most of it influenced by people. Even here in Australia, for thousands of years people started bush fires to clear land. People shaped the land by fire. It is a creation of partly people and partly other things. It can be seen as art ...because it has been created.

Who is to say that one type of creation is any 'greater' than another type? That one type of art has 'more' impact than other art?