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It's real! It's mad how much they behaved like they were all playing a role, though. One thing you wouldn't expect was that there were a fair few ethnic minorities present, and when I tried to draw them all out on matters of race they wouldn't budge, all very PC indeed. So that's changed, it seems.
@To the doggy: I think there has been some very articulate 'right 'wing views. And quite witty as well. And your idea that as you become more educated the less likely you are to vote Conservative is crap. What happens is once you've reached the final stage of your education you realise that it is the mainstream left that wins the doggy biscuit for the most profound unintelligent gatherings.
Yeh, re. my brainwasing comment abouve, once they get you, doesn't make any differnece where you originally come from, if they can use you, they will, if they get to you.......
re. Scarborough Fair, in its true sense, male to female, as I posted on another newstory here, the other night. Martin Carthy, ripped by Simon and Garfunkel, rumour has it,
" and that one of the young men on the platform is about to start shaking and summon the spirit of the Iron Lady"
Now that was funny. Good article Laurie.
...and if you missed this as well, Martin Carthy in his back garden, a while back,
Laurie, stop trying to make these people look human. Cos they're not.
And now some video captured on Laurie's phone from the conference.
This is a brilliant piece of investigative journalism of the sort that I thought had died out with all the cuts to newspaper budgets.
This post alone has got me to subscribe to your Blog,
It didnt really break any conceptions for me, but reassured me im not being too judgmental about CF.
I'd love to see companion pieces for Young labour and particularly Liberal Youth.
I'm doing hear exactly what I'm promoting, taking in ideas from all areas of the political spectrum. Not narrowing my ability to receive information.
More classist shit (lies) you ever tried to start up a business, you do volunteer work while at school being educated. Right now to profile you:
You're employed in a well paid job in the state sector earning 20k+ so you're upper class (top 50% of earner's).
You're in a union and you slag off wealthy people because you think they are stealing money from the working class (you think you're working class but you're not).
You ignore the fact that state sector pay is higher than private sector pay and it's a job for life.
If you're not the above specify your real profession.
The account is genuine and my lack of high calibre English is due to my academic strengths lying in Maths and the Sciences.
A tip for all of you read Das Kapital by Karl Marx, The General Theory by John Maynard Keynes and read Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith as a minimum before espousing views about a policy.
You blame us Tories for being dimwits and having no arguments, yet you all are rather than confronting my political arguments are pushing them to the side and mocking me.
If there's one thing worse than a Conservative, it's a young Conservative! Not because I've anything against younger people holding political views of their own, but because invariably the young Tory is so often brainwashed by parents who force feed their viewpoint down their offspring's throats. It's all very well these, often privileged, junior toffs debating, but when they start on about things they can have no memory of, or life experience upon which to base their opinions, it quickly becomes obvious it's a viewpoint drip - fed into them at an early age. It's noticeable how young Tories frequently express views about illegal wars and so forth, they also have an inherent dislike of any figure of authority that tells them what to do; a whole army of junior Jeremy Clarksons. They have an inherent hatred of anything Labour; yet their experience of past events was probably spent viewing things from a pram. I do wish Tory parents would let their children develop their own views over the passage of time, it's no wonder they end up rebelling against the parents who spoil them so rotten.
Oi tory git
1. Median annual salary in the UK is between £25 and £26k so you would need to earn above that to be in the top 50% of earners.
2. I have never come across any definition of 'class', economic, sociological or otherwise, which says that the top 50% of earners are the upper class.
3. Comparisons between private and public sector earnings are meaningless unless you refine your comparison to comparable sectors/jobs/etc.
I will refrain from mocking you because, frankly, it's too easy and there are more deserving targets out there.
@William: Oooh, get you
@me: That you are a woman is no excuse for personal abuse based on your percieved notions of beauty. Really me, what beauty queen is truly that beautiful? Aesthetics are not decided by competition. And models? Airfix? is it not possible that young men show you more "respect" out of desire rather than good manners. After all, everyone should be treated with respect, regardless of looks...
Whilst there are a lot of bad Tories, there are a lot of bad Labourites as well.
We need to stop being so tribalistic in our politics. It is bad for democracy. its easy to say your labour and never question it and its just as easy to say your tory and never question it.
Holy shit you silly little girl... you went to a Conservative group and discovered they hold right wing views! If you went to a meeting of the Communist Party, would you be surprised if they sang the praises of Das Kapital? If you went to a Percy Bysshe Shelley appreciation society, would be you shocked if they read out 'Masque of Anarchy.'
This isn't journalism. It is a pathetic attempt at pseudo-intellectualism. The vile supporters of left wing politics believe themselves to be uniquely intellectual. You are no different. The only problem is, you have the intellectual capacity of a braindead goldfish with memory problems.
dont get to upset nicola,there are a lot of nasty people out there from the right,the left,the far right,the far left,commies,marxists,hitler lovers,stalin lovers etc,etc,whos main aim in life is to insult each other on a daily basis on the net knowing they wil never meet each other,its all one big game.
Thank you, THX, for embarrassing the political left with your mindless macho bullshit response to Louis.
If you don't have something sensible to say, perhaps you ought to not say anything at all.
posh people have nice clean complexions,conservatives are posh people,i have never met a poshy in my life but once in my city centre was a very posh sounding man selling copys of the socalist workers party and i asked him what inner city area do you live in son,his replie was i am studying economics at university and i live in stockbroker belt surrey,umm thats what a call a true socalist,ahh i yearn to be posh one day and mix with all these nice young conservatives at the ball jeeves.
But besides that, brilliant article. Never been to a Conservative Future event, of course, but this sounds pretty congruous with almost every Thatcherphiliac conservative twat I have ever met. Good on you, and sorry about your terrible experience!
"With a flash of awful clarity, I realise that these are precisely the young men my grandmother warned me about, that they are the heirs apparent to Britain's political system, and that not one of them has paused to consider if they deserve it."
its sad to read a story of such suffering, but can we please stop referring to the conservatives as the "centre right" they are no such thing, this is extremist politics and to pretend otherwise is to give them greater legitimacy then they deserve.
next to this lot nick griffin looks like a dangerous leftie.
can the new statesman contributors please develop better political orienteering skills.
Hmmm, yup, it seems that young politicos of any stripe are generally just that little bit more stunted than their non-partisan fellows. And young tories are all a bit odd.
Please could we stop describing all Tories (or even LibDems) in terms that are so offensive? Honestly you people, just because they disagree with us, doesnt mean that they are some kind of different breed. As a lifelong Socialist, I find that it makes no sense to judge a person by party affiliation, but by what they do.
My partner has always voted Tory - it is a knee-jerk reaction for someone from her background. This doesnt make an evil racist bigot, or even particularly pro-Cameron, it just means that I get to test what I believe against an opposite point of view. We both love our country, and both detest the many wrongs we see around us, but have long ago agreed that we believe in different method, sometimes different outcomes.
As we just got whopped at the polls, wouldnt it be useful to find out why?
A lot of the Young Tories you meet have the same unthinking attitude as any young zealot, but when you calmly confront people on a normal, day-to-day basis, you find that a lot of assumptions are just thoughtlessness.
Hmm. I don't think I'm alone in noticing the implicit 'the right are inhuman' message in this article. Some of your (only slightly) less articulate followers have articulated it freely.
For all your derision, (and their boorishness) these young men at least have a grasp of the dangerous duplicity and open contempt of the Left.
i am female, thank you.
@ laurie. no, you write a piece falsely asserting that many of the young conservatives are misogynists, sexual predators and sexists. this is completely untrue. i have always been treated with the utmost respect by all the tory guys i have ever encountered.
"You guys then respond by calling me ugly and unfuckable on the internet.
And *I'm* meant to defend *myself*?"
im calling you ugly on the inside. when a person is horrible on the inside they become ugly to me on the outside too. i'm not a very objective judge of the outside because i'm a hetero female. however the males think you are ugly on the outside and vile on the inside.
Good article. Captured the mood expertly. Mind you I'd never go to one of these bashes anyway, right or left. As someone once said, those with political ambitions are usually the ones who should least have them.
Indoctrination happens in labour families too. I'm lucky to have a left wing mum and right wing dad, yet this close mindedness is often found as much if not more in left wing families. This is the fundemental problem with an unbalanced upbringing, whether politically or religiously.
haha silly silly little girl.
' i have always been treated with the utmost respect by all the tory guys i have ever encountered''
Possibly because you are ugly?
You were right on Twitter, I did enjoy this article immensely. Having gone to Nottingham University, where a particularly pure form of Thatcherite Conservatism seems to hold sway among the members of Cf that I knew I recognized the sense of entitlement and this goes further to confirming my belief that Conservative Future, which represents the next generation of the grassroots of the party, has not made any of the changes that the rest of the party.
The loathing and disrespect that the Conservatives have for their opponents is unmatched on the political spectrum. And when coupled with the sense of entitlement to govern that the party still has. When Cameron first got into Downing Street most of the facebook status updates from people I knew in the Conservative Party gave no sense of celebration but only that this was the way that it should be.
I feel I should say that I also have a close friend who is a member of the Conservative Party and does not hold any of these traits but he also holds no position in the echelons of Conservative Future, it does seem that to get on in that organization you need to be able to be boorish, sexist and anti-social.
Strange how you don't mention the Candidate, who did not go to Public School, who's Dad came from Hackney and who is engaged to an Iranian Muslim girl. Would that not fit you preconceived stereotype's?
And what about the Candidate who praised Gerry Adams? Surly you never expected to hear that?
Were there any Tim 'nice but' Dim's there? And any Torys there that were tory but with a small c, any something with a small c?
Laurie, you are very welcome to our young labour events, where we will prove that we are NOTHING like those Tories!
Not idolising previous leaders...
Not talking about how sexy gordon or Tony where...
And certainly not disrespecting each other by ass grabbing!
Brilliant article- thoroughly enjoyed reading this! And so true from my experience at university of conservatives, you've got them spot on.
@Louis Williams > Well i completely disagree with you, but kudos for coming on here and giving it a go, and at least trying to be neutral and all. =P
Brilliant article @Laurie Penny =)
I really noticed it the sense of entitlement from David Cameron during the election period, he never seemed to look desperate or passionate for the job like GB and NC were, he seemed like he deserved it. Though i agree with a lot of the comments its probably just as evident on the left (sadly). Though as you said its not as shameless =P
i wouldn't be a good judge of my own attractiveness, but i've witnessed that other girls who must be beautiful because they are beauty queens and models and stuff have been treated with a lot of respect by the tory guys.
Bloody hell - are you 12 or just a troll?
Brilliant article Laurie Penny. Honesty in the Newstatesman at last. This maybe a sign that it's not just a magazine for the Tories. Keep up the good work.
Good stuff, revealing and well written. But from experience a similar article could be written about most Young Labour events, largely populated by shiny-faced young professional campaigners who all work as researchers for New Labour MPs and look blankly at you if you try to discuss politics or policy with them.
All true. But please remember - all three parties are infested with people with a gross sense of entitlement. All three contain large numbers of very privileged people with little or no knowledge of "how the other side" live. The conservatives are no more or less a product of a warped system than any other party. Bottom line is - who cares whether they stink or not - the only important thing is whether they can do the job half decently!!
Let me describe this bottom-squeeze to you, because it has given me lasting insight into the icy political libido of the young right. The anonymous fondle is brief, bouncy and strangely bloodless, like being groped by a Pete Waterman song. It's the sense of entitlement that stuns more than anything; the casual lack of respect for the less powerful, the assumption that it's all in good fun.
I know it's not funny but LOL
I also went to Nottingham University and can confirm that here and elsewhere these chaps are braying uber-Thatcherite idiots, obsessed with libertarian politics, contrarianism and generally being tossers.
Great article. Any time anyone considers the Conservatives have changed they should remember this. When one has observed their work at universities first hand, the veneer of 'progress' is a little thin.
So what stupid figures think all Tories are 'posh'? Unless about half the UK voters are 'posh'. So define 'posh', they work, get ill, eat,breathe, sleep,and since only 15% of UK taxpayers pay hi rate tax,
[say over 40K, a lot where I live but doesn't go far in London] then there must be a lot of fairly poor Tories about.
Yes I rod out my own drains, service my modest car, mend electric products that go wrong, don't smoke, don't drink, don't gamble, waste money going to football matches, holiday in the UK.
Years ago I joined the local YCs, cause they had the prettiest and often the sexiest girls. What more could life offer?
So you're a Conservative, you go to a Conservative Future event - and there you meet, and cadge a date with, Laurie Penny! I mean, what are the odds?
Wow, that event sounds ghastly.
That said, I have to agree with Boilermaker that, from my brief dalliance with Labour Students, a similar level of vacuousness can be found in their events. Not so much testosterone and sexual harassment though.
How did your date with Pink Shirt go?
Spiritof1976: a lady never tells. Actually, there was quite a lot of good-natured argument about Dr Who and patriarchy, which is what I look for in a date, really.
That was really funny - thanks!
Alright, fair enough, you encountered some jolly young chaps who embodied the widespread Tory stereotype image so strongly encouraged by the media. But let's bear in mind that included in that sentence is the word "young". These people are university students or young graduates. Are you telling me that the fact that some 20-somethings got a bit egotistical when allowed to rant about politics, and in a male-dominated room there was a bit of backside grabbing, is really all that shocking?
As a member of a university Conservative group who admittedly at times embody this sort of stereotype, I can safely say that I've seen far worse outside of that group in other social gatherings of the same age bracket. If young people are given a chance to grab some self-importance, handed out a load of cocktails and left to their own devices, is it REALLY that unexpected that they get a bit drunk, flirtatious and cocky?
That's young people for you, and especially young men of ambition. The fact it's a political context just means it's easier to label stereotypes and say "it's because they're a nasty bunch of braying Toryboys".
No, they're a bunch of drunken, self-important young adults in a situation where confidence and mild arrogance is what gets you noticed. I'm not condoning sexism, or saying it sounds like a pleasant atmosphere, but really, I'm sure it's not as harmful as you seem to make it out to be.
Yes a valid point Louis, I too am too from a mixed view family. I've also seen it from both sides, from fairly well to do, to...well quite the opposite!
However, I think that those of a 'Tory' upbringing are often too safely cocooned in their privileged surroundings to want to see things from any other perspective. I do notice that it is more a case of indoctrination amongst the well off; whereas those from a left wing view appear to have a greater awareness of social values and are therefore perhaps a little less influenced. In my line of work I see all mix of personalities as I try my best to help people through their many and varied problems; but the indoctrination is something I pick up far more from the right than the left. I completely agree we should allow our children to develop their own beliefs.
What you've just described sounds pretty much like my experience of all circles in London. Meet Tories from outside the capital and you're sure to meet a whole different sort of person.
Of course, none of what you claim to have seen was influenced by your own preconception of what Conservatives were like - which wouldn't differ from the verging-on-bigoted comments being left by some commenters here.
I mean, 20,000 members and we're all meant to have trust funds - come off it.
Laurie Penny is a contributing editor to the New Statesman.