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Obscene images, hate sites and a game where people are invited to beat you up have been inflicted on Anita Sarkeesian.
Look out, here come the MRA tears!
The troubling thing is that anything you put online will stay online forever. And because of the false security one has online, people feel they can put up anything without repercussions.
Online bullying...21st century problem
I think what this shows is just how detached from the real world these 'gamer' types are. They probably live in comic books and they understand violence - and sex for that matter - through a complex system of fantasy and psychosis.
Me being one of those 'gamer' types your talking about understands sexism, violence, sex and worldy issues very clearly and understand the differences between a fictional game and reality as much as I'm sure you understand the difference between a film and reality. I know there's plenty of gamers not making the culture look to good right now but that's a broad generalization to be making and those types of stereotypes are often completely untrue. It's always been true in society that the biggest jerks in cultures usually have the louder voice, just look at the Westboro Baptist Church.
Or they have a sense of humor and can tell the difference between a GAME and reality. It seems many here can not.
How we choose to represent reality is just as important as reality, you tool.
Bullying someone is not equal to "a sense of humor". This is flat out bullying. They want to scare her and shut her up. If it was your mom, dad or girlfriend or little brother being piled on, would you still find it funny?
'Those obscene pictures are intended to shame her, to reduce her to her genitals, and to intimidate her.
I'm sure there's plenty here which breaks the law' , believe me Helen, if nobody harmed that woman physically, there was no breaking the law. I went myself to the police with online harrasment and guess what...?
Point number one, a troll is a troll, that's what it is and nothing more. It comes from low self-esteem and jealousy; nothing more to it. They do it because they want people's attention. Ignoring them is the best option. Not ignoring them leads to their increased activity, it's all they want/crave/need. They are needy, any sort of interaction satisfies them.
Clearly, if you have reduced this to nothing more than "trolling," you might want to review the definition of harassment. You also may want to re-read the article. Saying that this is petty, or "not a big deal" is only adding to the problem. The boundary between mere trolling and all-out harassment has most DEFINITELY been crossed.
Also, plenty of this activity is against the law. Have you heard of defamation, libel, and slander? I would argue that these are definitely "attacks on a person's (Anita's) professional character or standing." Some states also have cyberharrassment and cyberstalking laws (using her address to threaten her - making those threats at all? Definitely in violation of those laws).
Once trolling goes viral it doesn't lessen the fact that it is trolling.
Trolling is new. Bullying is old. This is the interwebs... and the people have learnt how to deal with trolls. Its basically to ignore their media not to have a conversation with/about it. I think the expression is 'Don't feed the trolls'. Does this mean that what they're trying to achieve with their trolling isn't a reflection of real issues - that the troll finds it funny because it is vile and powerful , it is vengeance and misery-inducing violence... Fuck, what I'm trying to say is: It's a very valid argument lately to ignore the filth that is troll-content rather than engaging it in a conversation between rational members of society.
Taking it as a representation of Gamers is a sheer misunderstanding of the internet.
I think it's silly to demand that she communicate her critique of one art by using that art. Why is this such a necessity? Who would ever think of this as reasonable? SHe shouldn't have written a review for that game - she should have designed a better game. Idiocy.
"I think the expression is 'Don't feed the trolls'."
Which they never do. People revel in online drama.
What ever happened to "if you don't like the videos she is making don't watch them"? I see this problem less as trolling/bullying than as of out-of-control stupidity. How did we manage to teach these boys that the correct way to deal with things you dislike is to obsess on them? Because I don't believe this is a behavior that comes naturally.
You know perfectly well you never taught them that way, it's the other way around, they obsess on things they like and know they can't have or surely won't have.
I think what many of you are failing to remember is that Video Games are for idiot children/idiot virgin manchildren. Consider who is actually defending video games. Greasy fat gamer virgins.
Kill All Gamers
I direct you then to BioShock, Limbo, Alan Wake, the original three games in the Silent Hill series, Metro 2033, Deadly Premonition, Flower, Journey, Heavy Rain, Indigo Prophecy, Max Payne 1&2, L.A. Noire, Yakuza, Mafia, Siren, Shadow of the Colossus, even a terrifyingly powerful sequence in Call of Duty 4 that manages to discuss the horrors of war without every saying a single word of dialogue, instead using visuals and immersion to show rather than tell.
I'm sorry, that's a stupid stereotype that has never and will never exist. And I'd gladly take the fat greasy gamer over any stereotypical elitist jock. Grow up and learn a little something before you decide to spout of hate like this about a culture you obviously have no grasp of outside of TV stereotypes and cliches. You wanna talk tropes, how's about Tropes Vs Gamers in Society. You're no worse than the gamers you're trying to talk crap about.
Yes I troll, but not about this. Games are the worst kind of nerd
Maybe for the new generation of gamers. If it weren't for video games, I wouldn't be pursuing a Ph.D and a corporate career at the same time. Recent video games are for the lazy because the creators spoon-feed their gameplay. I also wouldn't call today's gamers "nerds" because nerds are usually mindful of their grades and the kind of knowledge they imbibe. I would call them pseudo-geeks.
Okay, let's get down to brass tacks: Sticks and stones may break her bones but words will never hurt her? Perhaps not. If you are going to fight for what you think is right, know you are going to receive resistance. That said, the fact that the web is largely an anonymous medium means people can be as awful or hateful as they want and they feel they will never get nailed for it. Are they correct? Sometimes.
At the end of the day, she was just a target. How do you know that the people who were doing all of the abusing were men? I suspect that there were a lot of people who were attacking her just because it amused them. There is a lot of doubt in my mind that all of the hate she received was actually genuine. Please note the time that Oprah did a live discussion about child abuse and child pornography and people went and flooded her chat room with rantings about continuing the abuse. Were they child abusers? I SERIOUSLY doubt it. They were much more like the kids that drive down the street, knocking mail boxes down with baseball bats.
Maybe we should stop, think a little and rant a little less. The rabble rousers are just getting what they want.
So she should just TRUST that they were mostly joking? How many do you think weren't? What reason does she have to trust that she won't actually be raped and beaten up by them, only virtually? Because people in general and men in particular are so nice to women usually and rape and beating up women do not actually happen that much? Have you been living under a rock?
"Because people in general and men in particular are so nice to women usually "
GTFO with that sarcastic passive aggresive statement, that kinda pis'ses me off. People in general, and men in particular, are indeed nice to women usually. Maybe they aren't to you, but that's probably because you are a kunt. I think you are one. So please, either show your boobs or get the fcuk out to the kitchen and make a sandwich, because writing logically thought out comments you certainly can't do.
"People in general, and men in particular, are indeed nice to women usually. "
LMFAO oh god this comment. could you make it more clear that you're a man without slapping your tiny member across the keyboard? you're a joke with your head up your ass, leave the basement and join reality every now and then, all that darkness is starting to mess with your head.
.... and look at how nice you are! :)
Heh. TheStereotype just got pwned.
I don't really care one way or another but you guys (or girls or whatever) are fighting a losing battle. The internet does not proceed according to the same rules as that of the outside world. Immature thirteen year-olds posting hateful comments are, even in their ignorance, showing how much better they understand the internet than those of you who are so quick to advertise your pain. Those kids aren't able to articulate it, but they can feel it. The internet has forever changed things, and unfortunately some of you are stuck in the past. This is what those kids feel but don't understand, in its simplicity. You have issued a call of war against an evil taboo idea in a world where there is no taboo, no evil. I just find it unfortunate how many of you will willingly engage in this "war" as if it is a debate you can win. Ideas will never again be policed, labelled as wrong and condemned. Those days are over, and this message will be drilled into you over and over again against your will (pardon the rape imagery!) until you either submit or go quiet. That is the nature of the internet, and it is no way a bad thing.
But, she succeeded. It wasn't a 'losing battle' at all. She won.
Before the controversy she aimed to make $6000 for her project. Then she was attacked by insecure people, and she stood up to that attack in public - and made *30 times* what the target!
Meanwhile this has to be a huge fail for the misogynists. They seem to have failed at every aspect of what they tried to achieve. She wasn't intimidated out of her project, she raised the funds probably a lot faster thanks to the controversy, and she has a lot more attention.
There is no sense in which they 'won'. that I can see.
"Ideas will never again be policed, labelled as wrong and condemned. Those days are over, and this message will be drilled into you over and over again against your will (pardon the rape imagery!) until you either submit or go quiet"
Those two sentences contradict each other.
Do you see that?
Judging from the quality of the thoughts expressed, I'm guessing you may not see the contradiction. Let me spell it out for you:
"Ideas will never again be policed, labelled as wrong and condemned."
How about those who oppose online misogynist bullying? We have ideas too. We're expressing them.
"this message will be drilled into you over and over again against your will (pardon the rape imagery!) until you either submit or go quiet"
In other words, you're policing our ideas. You want us to "submit" or "go quiet."
"pardon the rape imagery!"
No. I will not pardon it. It is exactly the point.
Over a hundred thousand dollars says you don't know what you're talking about.
Thirteen-year-olds creating rape images, now that's something not to worry about. Do you hear what you're saying?
Well, then perhaps someone needs to drill that into you over and over and over again.
I just don't buy the idea that it's okay to be horrible to fellow human beings because the internet. There's just nothing at all about the medium that dictates or necessitates that.
Good article -- I've been following her videos for a few months, and she is brilliant. I admire her, and her work is making things better for women everywhere. Kudos to you, Anita. As to the wankers who criticize her, well, that's what makes them wankers.
Articles like this are why print journalism, and people in the "profession" are dying a slow, agonizing death.
Hope you don't get cut in the next round of layoffs!
Lame way of showing your sexism but pretending to be concerned about journalistic quality. How about just admitting you don't like that she wrote about feminism?
lol "caremad" nice memey response newfag hahaha literally kill yourself
The issue of misogyny in video games is one that I've been trying to follow pertty closely as of late. From articles bashing on women and claiming to have proof of "Why Girls Suck At Gaming" to instances of rape being "glorified" in video game format. Ultimately, as a man that would love to see a lot of "tropes" be set aside I cannot help but get pissed off when I see reactions like the ones from these men happening.
First, and foremost, I'm not completely sold on this video series that Sarkeesian is working on. The only reason is that I feel she is going to bring her bias towards the feminist view into the mix. She wants to point out the faults and stereotypes that are placed on female characters in gaming? That's great, but understand that there are other opinions to counter what she has to offer. And a majority of people will actually forget that despite all of her research and work, it's all boiled down to her opinion.
Now does this mean I'm against her filming this project? Hell no. Then why did I point out the previous paragraph? To show how properly to respond to something with which you may not agree. This is the example that these abrasive "men" should have followed to counteract the opinion of Ms. Sarkeesian.
Instead, we get hate and the threats of violence and rape and, most disturbingly of all, the joking around of both acts. As a man who considers himself a male feminist (something I have been told does not exist *ahem*) it pisses me off to see fellow males treat other people this way. And yes, I say "people." Women are people, just as men are people. It makes no comprehensible sense to act in such a barbaric, childish and hateful way. Sure, be angry, you're allowed that emotion, but don't be a moron on how you express it. And when you are a moron with your expression, don't excuse it with "it's how men are." That's garbage and we're better than that.
So, ultimately, I am so disgusted to know that there are people out there wasting their talents on such hateful and selfish actions. Do something useful with the gifts you have. And men, don't be asshats. Women don't want to be onjectified and I see no problem with that. They're still beautiful, graceful and lovely. Just because they stand up for themselves and want a better representation of themselves in gaming doesn't change that.
And Sarkeesian definitely deserves apologies from these asshats.
So, wait. Lemme get this straight. Feminism, as an area of cultural theory and academic exploration, just comes down the opinion of women? Regardless of the quantity, quality, thoroughness, or relevance of the research? Your opinion of this isn't neutral, it's anti-feminist. And while I appreciate that you are not a bully, you should examine why you think that exploring the representation of women in a feminist critique is biased, and not just a reasonable way of analyzing the subject. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you have only seen "feminism" as a type of political activism - that is not what this project is. It's like the difference between a Marxist reading of a text and belonging to the American Socialist Party. Feminism as a source of questioning is not based in "just her opinion," it is based in centuries of cultural criticism and philosophy, and just because it's about ladies does not mean you can dismiss it lightly.
Oh, come on, give the guy a break! He is on the right side here, and he's being rational and supportive. Why tear him to shreds?
I had actually convinced myself that the world of online harassment had improved a bit over the years. I was so horribly wrong. And this is level of hate is particularly disturbing... the knowledge that someone is spending time and resources and energy devoted to creating images, animations, and code not just to harass you personally but actively encourage others to join the hate-fest, well, that takes it to a whole new and awful level.
(and side note to those who don't consider this "abusive" because it was virtual, or who feel that online harassers would NEVER actually cause PHYSICAL harm "it's just silly prankster teens"), do not forget that under the one scenario where there WAS a technical way to convert online abuse into actual physical harm in the real world, it DID happen. Do a google search on the attack on the epilepsy forums. Real-life humans suffered real-life seizures. And the trolls found it hilarious. We should rethink the belief that online abuse is implicitly and always by "harmless" people.)
Okay, let me make this clear. Free speech.
She has just the right to be a nutter (taking money/making videos that don't cost anything/etc, and others have the right to criticize her (comics/pictures/ comments/etc).
Free speech isn't free. If you're going to preach it, you should familiarized yourself with the responsibilities as well as the principle. Mere criticism and disagreement with an idea are reasonable and legal; threats of physical violence and pillorying someone's real identity or image to incite it from others are not. If "free speech" was all-encompassing, there'd be no laws against people who incite violence against gay people outside a bar, for example, but don't participate themselves. (Hint: There ARE.)
Shut the fuck up, are you in high school with that logic? hahaha
First off, there are limits, even to Free Speech. This falls under them. This falls under defamation of character (i.e. slander, libel, calumny, vilification etc). By the way, those things are crimes. Criticism isn't against the law, but having seen the blatant misogyny aimed at Ms. Sarkeesian, that was not what she was receiving. "Dirty, thieving Jew" isn't a criticism, it's a racial slur. Telling a woman to "go make you a sandwich" isn't a criticism, it's sexism. Sending her threatening notes, saying she deserves to be raped for even THINKING of pointing out the sexism in video games IS NOT CRITICISM.
It's harassment. Plain and simple.
First of all, videos do cost money to make and as someone who makes videos for a living, I can tell you $12,000 for what she was proposing is cheap. If she gets more than that it just means there are that many more people that suport her plan and want to help.
Second of all free speech doesn't give you the right to say and do anything under the guise of civil liberties. Emailing someone cartoons of themselves being raped is criminal. I really hope no one supporting this kind of harassment has daughters.
Please post your photo. I'll be happy to create a video game in which your face gets punched or you are anally raped. Free speech.
hahaha like you even know how to make a shitty flash games scrubby?? mayb you should stick to something you know, which is nothing at all.
Helen Lewis is deputy editor of the New Statesman. She tweets @helenlewis