Exclusive: WikiLeaks's ex-spokesman on Julian Assange
Daniel Domscheit-Berg on his fears for the site -- and why Assange was nicknamed "the Disco King".
By Helen Lewis Published 11 February 2011 1:24
Want to know what's odd about Julian Assange's trousers? What his dancing style is like? Or how he treats cats?
All these questions are addressed in Inside WikiLeaks: My Time With Julian Assange at the World's Most Dangerous Website, the new book from former WikiLeaks spokesman Daniel Domscheit-Berg.
Now, I should be fair here. The book is not the hatchet job on Assange it will inevitably be made out to be and Domscheit-Berg is still committed to the idea of a whistleblowing website (he launched his own, OpenLeaks, at the end of last year). But its author does give some insight into why WikiLeaks -- and particularly its controversial founder -- has received so much criticism in the past few months.
The portrait of Assange that emerges is of an uncompromising man who doesn't want to live by social norms. He rarely carries cash, can sleep pretty much anywhere and often wears two pairs of trousers (presumably because he lives a nomadic existence and carries all his clothes in a small backpack).
The New Statesman will have an exclusive interview with Domscheit-Berg in next week's magazine but here are some of the key revelations from the book in the meantime. Perhaps the biggest is that when Domscheit-Berg left WikiLeaks in the autumn of 2010, he and "the architect" -- the programmer who built the website -- removed the secure submission system and Assange's access to the existing documents. "Children shouldn't play with guns," writes Domscheit-Berg. "That was our argument for removing the submission platform from Julian's control."
On Wednesday, WikiLeaks hit back with claims that they had begun legal proceedings against Domscheit-Berg for this act of "sabotage". Domscheit-Berg claims: "We just took away these dangerous toys so that Julian could not do harm to anyone else."
When we spoke, he reiterated this. "We had a three-week hand-over period and we had no idea where to put these documents safely. No one [at WikiLeaks] bothered." He added: "We've just made sure that these documents are stored away safely and we're now still waiting for a handover to happen. Those documents have been sent to WikiLeaks. I wouldn't ever want to doubt that they are in WikiLeaks' possession."
The other surprise is that, in its early days, Assange often overstated the scale of the WikiLeaks operation. Domscheit-Berg wrote emails as "Thomas Bellman" or "Leon from the tech department" and he suspects that several other team members he knew only online -- such as "Jay Lim" from the legal department -- were, in reality, pseudonyms used by Assange.
Then there are the questions he raises about WikiLeaks's finances. How much of the donations given by the public have been spent on the site itself and how much has been used by Julian personally? (The WikiLeaks website currently solicits cash for the "Julian Assange and WikiLeaks Defence Fund")
There's also the niggling question of the involvement of Israel Shamir, a Holocaust denier who's often been accused of anti-Semitism. He currently appears to be brokering deals for WikiLeaks material in Russia and Scandinavia.
In all, it's a fascinating book. The impression I was left with was that Domscheit-Berg has, as he claims, not written it out of spite, but rather a sense that the "project" is too important to be left to an increasingly isolated Assange.
"But what about the dancing?" I hear you cry. Well, here you go:
I remember one evening at a club in a former slaughterhouse in Wiesbaden. The others we were with nicknamed Julian "Disco King" or something like that for his unusual way of dancing. Julian took up quite a lot of space when he danced -- almost like a tribesman performing some ritual. He'd spread his arms and gallop across the dance floor, taking huge steps. He didn't look very rhythmic or co-ordinated and he didn't seem to have that much feeling for the music but he did possess a certain cool. He didn't care anyway what other people thought of him. You need space, he once told me, if you want your ego to flow. That statement fit well with his dance style.
As for the cat, well . . . Domscheit-Berg tells of how he let Assange stay in his flat in Wiesbaden:
Julian was engaged in a constant battle for dominance -- even with my cat, Mr Schmitt . . . Julian was always attacking the poor animal. He would spread his fingers into a fork shape and pounce on the cat's neck. It was a game to see who was quicker. Either Julian would succeed in getting his fingers around the cat and pinning it to the floor, or the cat would drive Julian off with a swipe of its claws. It must have been a nightmare for the poor thing. No sooner would Mr Schmitt lie down to relax than the crazy Australian would be upon him. Julian preferred to attack at times when Mr Schmitt was tired. "It's about training vigilance," Julian explained. "A man must never forget he has to be the master of the situation."
At the end of our interview, I couldn't resist asking Domscheit-Berg if Mr Schmitt had now recovered from this treatment. He laughed, and said: "He is doing good. He is recovering from the trauma. He is now with my parents where he can go out and hunt for mice and birds and stuff. Sometimes he is still a bit weird . . . but doing well other than that."
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13 comments
Isn't precocious sadism a pointer to psychopathic tendencies?
Cat abuse?
OSHI~!
Seriously, though, being nasty to cats is the only thing that could turn Anonymous against Wikileaks... JA better be careful...
Silly personal issues.... Focus on the
Faults of our society / political system.
There is a Need for Accountable Government.
I'm wondering about wearing two pairs of trousers at the same time. When its very cold in the mountains Ok but in the tropics?
What most people probably don't realise is that Julian is in this for the money. He's got it somewhere. All you need is a big credit card account and plenty of hotels and friends' spare bedrooms (and fridges).. .and you've got all the possessions in the world. But he's missing one thing .. peace of mind. Is that a cat burglar standing on the corner or a CIA agent?
Vigilance! A double edged sword.
"Want to know what's odd about "Julian Assange's trousers? What his dancing style is like? Or how he treats cats?"
Did anyone watch Big Brother last night?
Does anyone else smell a rat?
Are these the words of a genocide denier?
http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir02012011.html
I have written hundreds of pages on the topic, but for the benefit of the reader I’ll sum it up. Naturally, as a son of Jewish parents and a man who has lived in the Jewish state, deeply and intimately involved with Jewish culture, I harbour no hate to a Jew because he is a Jew. I doubt many people do. However I did and do criticise various aspects of Jewish Weltanschauung like so many Jewish and Christian thinkers before me, or even more so for I witnessed crimes of the Jewish state that originated in this worldview.
As for the accusation of “Holocaust denial”, my family lost too many of its sons and daughters for me to deny the facts of Jewish tragedy, but I do deny its religious salvific significance implied in the very term ‘Holocaust’; I do deny its metaphysical uniqueness, I do deny the morbid cult of Holocaust and I think every God-fearing man, a Jew, a Christian or a Muslim should reject it as Abraham rejected and smashed idols. I deny that it is good to remember or immortalize such traumatic events, and I wrote many articles against the modern obsession with massacres, be it the Jewish holocaust of the 1940s, the Armenian massacre of 1915, the Ukrainian “holodomor”, Polish Katyn, Khmer Rouge etc. Poles, Armenians, Ukrainians understood me, so did Jews – otherwise I would be charged with the crime of factual denial which is known to the Israeli law. It takes Evans and Sweeney to feign indignation.
You ought to more homework as you sup tea.
Started out loving JA but as the months have gone on and the truth about his true nature has emerged, I have grown disgusted - now animal abuse? Despicable. Also, Domscheit-Berg ought to be ashamed of himself for letting it continue.
From the website of Israel Shamir:
"We must deny the concept of Holocaust without doubt and hesitation, even if every story of Holocaust down to the most fantastic invention of Wiesel were absolutely true."
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/ForWhom.htm
There's also this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/a...
and this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/dec/17/wikileak...
What's more, in that article cited in the post above, Israel Shamir linked to a website naming one of the women who accused Assange, which notes breezily that she "did in fact make the whole story up". I think most people would consider that contempt of court.
The bit about the cat is revealing. Bullies always hate cats! Mr. Assange is alot like the Libertarians and other Right-Wing types you meet in the Sates. They believe that they, and only they, understand anything, and the rest of us OWE THEM. Of course Assange and Ron Paul have different ideas on how things should work, but their arrogence and their assumption that rules are for other people only, shows them to be much alike at the core.
Interview him so that he can defend himself.
You missed this bit "Technically, David Irving was sentenced for so-called “holocaust denial”. But the concept of Jewish holocaust being the only enforced dogma of supposedly secular Europe has little to do with the Second World War and its atrocities. It has everything to do with the Jewish claim of superiority and exclusivity. There is a Jewish prayer saying: “Bless you, Lord, that you created me a Jew, that you separated between Jews and the earth folks, like you separated between the Holy and Profane, that our fate is not like their fate”. The Holocaust concept is just another form of this prayer. They say that even their death is not like the death of anybody else."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_co...
This is full of unsourced paraphrase. Interview him so that he can defend himself.
"Antisemitism is an invented concept without any real meaning. I don't believe antisemitism exists at all. In the Jewish religion it is an article of faith that Jews and gentiles must hate one another. That's where so-called "antisemitism" comes from. It is a Jewish article of faith. I have met many so-called "anti-semites" and I haven't found a single one of them who hates Jews. I agree with Joseph Sobran, who said that an anti-semite is not someone who hates Jews, but someone whom the Jews hate. Most people don't care at all about Jews, let alone hate them. But, as I say, the idea that gentiles nurture a hatred of Jews is a Jewish article of faith, and has nothing to do with reality."
I disagree with this because I think that it is a sophistry of zionists - you can't be Jewish and zionist, it's apostasy. Perhaps Israel Shamir thinks different?
Interview him so that he can defend himself.
Has an allegation of contempt of court been made? Half the planet has weighed in with opinions about Julian Assange, half of it on the contempt for justice of the other half.
To me, Julian Assange seems like some late 1970s punk singer, Johnny Rotten like, and in 30 odd years time, he might become acceptable to the establishmant, that is, if he is still alive, unlike his mate, Sid.
Johnny, at his best, in days gone by,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G4g1fJwHds
Yesterday John Pilger said on Australian TV, " What Julian Assange did is not illegal in the UK and Australia. It is not rape"
Sex without consent is not illegal? Is that when no means yes?
Read this and make up your own mind:
http://harpymarx.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/assange-should-face-his-accuse...
And check this discussion out about Assange's case.
http://toomuchtosayformyself.com/2011/02/12/ohhh-helena/
What most people probably don't realise is that Julian is in this for the money. He's got it somewhere. All you need is a big credit card account and plenty of hotels and friends' spare bedrooms (and fridges).. .and you've got all the possessions in the world. But he's missing one thing .. peace of mind. Is that a cat burglar standing on the corner or a CIA agent? http://www.gardenersreport.com