Michael Fallon: what would you have done differently?
The Conservative Party deputy chairman's criticisms of Gordon Brown are just cheap shots. Let's have
By David Blanchflower Published 25 April 2011 14:23Michael Fallon, the acerbic deputy chairman of the Conservative Party, criticised the appointment of Gordon Brown to an unpaid post at the World Economic Forum, where he will chair a new policy and initiatives co-ordination board.
"This is a case of putting the arsonist in charge of the fire station," he said. "It beggars belief that somebody who is yet to apologise for the mess he made in our finances should now be advising the rest of the world." I suppose that means he doesn't like Gordon much. Just cheap shots.
Interestingly, the Tories matched the Labour government's spending plans and have still not explained what they would have done differently during the greatest financial crisis for a century. I would be interested in hearing from Fallon what he would have done differently during the crisis. Would he have allowed Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds to fail? Would he have kept rates at 5 per cent through 2009, 2010 and 2011? Would he have implemented fiscal stimulus or not and, if so, what sort of stimulus would he have done? What would you have done differently, Michael?
I wonder what he has to say now about the coalition's failure to regulate banker's bonuses, given what he said on 23 September 2008 in a column in the Guardian.
Finally, Conservatives have to think more deeply about the nature of reward. The excesses of the past few years have taught us that it's not enough to believe only in the equality of the starting tape. If we are to rebuild faith in the free-market economy, we need to address fairness and restore some proportion to outcome as well as opportunity. It can't be right that bankers are rewarded so extravagantly for "deals" that don't add long-term value, that bonus structures distort proper investment decisions. Mega-bonuses, out of all proportion to ordinary earnings, destroy the social consensus on which a free economy depends.
Michael: are the "mega-bonuses" being paid in the financial sector still destroying the "social consensus"? Michael, I really am interested in hearing your views on what you would have done differently in the great recession. The big test for any of your proposals is whether they would have prevented unemployment hitting 20 per cent or even higher, which is what doing nothing -- as you seem to have proposed -- would probably imply. Maybe I am wrong and you had a great plan. Looking forward to hearing the details from you. What should Gordon and Alastair have done differently in 2008 and 2009? Let's have a serious debate.
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32 comments
Jog on Michael Choo - Selling gold at a lower price than it subsequently became hardly resulted in the current deficit.
Isn't it about time some of the tories were brought for charges of defamation against Gordon Brown? They've re-wrote history leaving out the global financial crises and just how close many of our mainstream banks could've simply disappeared and replaced it with one where the only man in the world to blame is Gordon Brown.
Michael Choo - do you know the full story on that? I don't, but it could have been for a good reason, diplomatic reasons maybe, or whatever. Things never do look as simple when closely analysed.
Anyway, less money for the tories to pizzle up the wall if they had their hands on it now, no matter how much an ounce goes for. Less for them to sell as the family silver, as they did in the 1980's with utilities and British industry, to pay for that nonsense, the poll tax, and other small-minded dogma.
These people who keep banging on about the sale of gold - are they advocating that the Government should sell it now while the price is high? Or do they think we should hang on to it, with the probability that the price will fall dramatically when the bubble bursts?
Michael Choo
And from your post we are to assume that you are psychic and Gordon Brown isn't? That at a time when gold was falling and many other countries were also selling off reserves, you looked into your crystal ball and decided to wait until 2011 to sell off gold at record high prices? Not withstanding the loss we would have made meantime and by the same assumption, may I ask why previous Tory administrations did not look into their crystal ball and see that gold was going to fall and sell quickly while prices were high?
If I were you I would stand up, your voice is sounding muffled.
Dave C, no wonder Labour does not get it! Rich men have known value of gold since the begining of time...well almost :) And poor would sell the gold first.
@Michael Choo
Tell me where the £300 Billion of North Oil Receipts 1979-1997 went?
So what would you do RK?
Sell the gold now at a high price and reduce the deficit?
Or hang on to it?
King MIdas and Croesus - bad vibes. Winston even worse. As for a proper job - is a position in a bank such?
Was John Major the only banker prime minister?
Derivatively Yours
Dave C
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Gold is one of the most inert metal on planet. So I would do nothing. Try, you would eventually get it.
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I love the comments here in reply to Choo. Cameron is genius. Brown an idiot.
And the Royals did not invite Brown and Blair. An ultimate and deserving insult.
There is no better pleasure than seeing the reds burn to hell with envy.
yepeeeeee.
RK, So you would do nothing, that is, not sell.
An asset is not an asset if you never realise it.
The Gadarene Swine have piled into gold and the price is high now. Sooner or later the Gadarene Swine will drop gold and the price will plummet.
Sorry to criticize Gordon Brown but after 10 years in office he made the UK economy incapable of withstanding any shocks via all his stealth taxes, business regulation, and public sector employment boom.
Would the Tories have copied Brown by hiring over 1 million civil servants (maybe 1.3 if you include civil service consultants) from 1997 to 2008? I doubt it, I really do.
So the crisis would have had a different starting point but please do ask Mr. Fallon and share his thoughts with us.
@Michael Choo: Quite a lot of the oil money has gone on proping up Scotland - its amazing how ungreatful the Scots when it comes to independence given the amount of English oil money they have had.
Some oil money was invested wisely in 1980's education:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1062940/I-obeying-orders---Schoo...
ach, more deleted posts, ach.
Yes RK, you correct, Brown and Blair are not invited. madness!
RK - Brown and Blair not invited? Are you sure?
If so, spot the new republican. Can't be putting up with such disrespect - they need to know which side their bread is buttered, the royals, especially on such a day.
I will check it out, and if you are talking bull, you are a right one.
All I got to say to the bloke that made the above video, which he fails to mention, is fish and oil.
Lord knows where he gets his info from, or what dark forces he works for....
Indu Pendant - ever seen this, went out on Scots telly a few years back. Be educated, you propoganda peddler,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIOBG1AVUd8
click for parts 2 to 4.
Nice scottish video here to,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO5leiwEiTM
I would to sware now, but I am zipping my mouth up at se england tory windups, as above. OK, ARSE!
part 2 to 7 even.
South England torys live in a bleeding dreamworld, they surely do. They get me right in my knackers, the clueless idiots.
I believe that Gordon Brown should sue base individuals within the current government for trashing his reputation by misrepresenting the facts and trying to damage his future career. The personal verbal abuse which he constantly receives is an absolute disgrace. The current government resembles a class of precocious sixth-formers who can't believe they are in power and lurch from one unsuccessful experiment to the next.
"Some oil money was invested wisely in 1980's education:"
Indu Pendant, so that's why educational attainment went through the floor, children were sitting in classrooms with leaking roofs, no heating, teachers' morale was at an all-time. A word of advice, do a bit of historical reading before engaing the keyboard. As the saying goes, it's better to keep your trap shut and look a fool than open it and confirm you are one.
Anyway, less money for the tories to pizzle up the wall if they had their hands on it now, no matter how much an ounce goes for. Less for them to sell as the family silver, as they did in the 1980's with utilities and British industry, to pay for that nonsense, the poll tax, and other small-minded dogma. http://www.microwaveovensreviews.net/
RK,
Your inability to articulate whatever it is you're trying to get across is something of a handicap in a comments section.
Dave C
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You can take a horse to the pond...
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I agree, Skyrocket. Why, the idea that a high profile politician should be criticised for his mistakes is outrageous.
And he did make mistakes-plenty of them. Borrowing £30bn per annum during the boom years, flogging gold at bargain basement prices (that his decision to announce the sale in advance largely determined), building an illusion of prosperity on a housing boom, and a half-arsed compromise on banking regulation that left banks free to take any risks they pleased along with a guarantee that, if it all went wrong, the state would pick up the pieces.
I've asked his groupies on here before: if it was a truly global financial crisis, why did many countries come through it pretty much unscathed? Germany, Denmark, Norway, Israel, Poland, Switzerland, and most of the developed SE Asian economies? Is that just random chance, or is it because the people in charge of those economies were up to the job in a way that Brown never was?
Whatever we would have got for the gold would have been wasted ie donation £billions to help euro gravy and or corrupt dealings ie Lybia etc , so no loss actually for the gambling goverment
Rosie, you don't have to be psychic to realise that, if you announce in advance that you're going to sell a shedload of gold, the price is going to come down. Obviously Gordon's knowledge of economics is too rarefied to pay attention to something as mundane as supply and demand.
Spot on, Ang. I'd love to see Gordon Brown in court proving that he's not inept. If anyone can track him down, that is. He doesn't seem to be spending much time in Westminster, does he?
The criticism of Brown selling Gold. Is it just the principle that he shouldn't have sold it, because if so, look how much our Gold Reserves dropped as a % of GDP (which if they are reserves is self defeating) between 1979 and 1997 by the Tories just holding. Or is it just the price, because no one could predict that the Gold price would suddenly skyrocket.
If mega-bonuses undermine the consensus (a narrative, a fiction - yet the most important fiction) on which society rests, then so too does insufficient reward.
By insufficient reward, I mean a) pay; b) retained reward after paying rents and taxes; c) ability to purchase satisfactory healthcare and other basics (don't tell me the NHS will straighten my teeth); d) quality of work; e) respect; and/or f) the prospects of acquiring a)-f) in a reasonable timeframe, with a surplus, given self-application.
And I believe the policies of this administration militate against such, favouring, rather than the demand which might provide distributed opportunity, instead a gratuitous and ill-augured cull of the lower orders' jobs and services, in the name of long-run tax cuts to be mostly enjoyed by the better off.
The value of the gold should be measured in love of family you can share in it and peace of sleep. Not in Sterling or Dollar.
Well, Fallon is his own man I'm sure, but I think he'd do something along the lines of:
not going on a loony spending and borrowing spree like Brown;
not setting up the FSA when the Treasury and Bank of England were regulating banks fine (Barings comes to mind);
not make speeches at Mansion House urging bankers to make bigger deals and take greater financial risks;
refraining from getting Victor Blank and Eric Daniels to merge BOS with Lloyds TSB, while easing the merger rules
Anyway, in response to David Blanchflowers' piece about Michael Fallon, I too, would be interested to hear what he would have done in a global recession?
My guess is that Fallon is jumping on the 'bash Gordon bandwagon' at the impending prospect of total annihilation of his party, in the Local elections.
Andre Lopes makes a very good point, re the defamation of the character of Gordon Brown, by the Tories. I thought this was an offence too and Michael Fallon should be careful what he says.
Gold at RECORD HIGHS today Brown sold our assets at $200 per ounce now over $1500 per ounce - his judgement and understanding of economics was and remains woeful.
The man never ever held an actual real job so had no grasp of fiscal responsibility.