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The legal mythology of the extradition of Julian Assange

Why the “zombie facts” of Assange supporters are wrong.

A poster about Julian Assange outside the Ecuadorian embassy. Photo: Getty Image
A poster about Julian Assange outside the Ecuadorian embassy. Photo: Getty Images

Two years ago serious allegations of sexual assault and rape were made against Julian Assange, the founder and editor-in-chief of Wikileaks.

The allegations followed a visit by two women (known in legal documents as AA and SW) to a Swedish police station on 20 August 2010. From what they told the police, a formal criminal investigation was commenced.  Due process started its course.

And then came the legal mythology. Since August 2010 a number of inter-connected assertions have been made about legal aspects of the criminal investigation and subsequent proceedings by supporters of Assange.  Some of the assertions are false and misleading but they remain widely circulated. In my previous quick post I described these contentions as “zombie facts” which carry on regardless even when shot down. 

This creation of this Assange legal mythology presents rather a paradox. 

The great merit of Wikileaks was that it placed into the public domain information which would enable informed public debate. That is why I and many others support the Wikileaks project in principle, and wish it could be disconnected from the on-going Assange matter.  

Nonetheless, a detailed and sourced approach to the legal issues relevant to the Assange extradition remains important, and this post builds on the earlier post in setting out the correct legal situation. In doing this, I have no view on the ultimate outcome of the investigation and any trial. I am neutral as to whether Assange is charged, or whether he is convicted or acquitted, so long as the complaints are properly dealt with and the investigation reaches its natural conclusion. (Indeed, there are obvious questions to be asked about the conduct of the investigation and the complaints; but those are a matter for the investigation and any hearing.)

The starting point is to understand what the process has been so far.

 

The process to date

In July 2010, Assange explained in a TED talk why Sweden was attractive to Wikileaks (see here at 0.20).  It would appear that Wikileaks was at that time hosted in Sweden to take advantage of its liberal protections for the media and journalists.  In August 2010 Wikileaks itself promoted a story in Reuters which described Sweden as a “legal shield” – their tweet is here.

Assange came to Sweden in August 2010.  Between 13 and 18 August there was a sequence of alleged incidents of sexual abuse against AA. There was also an allegation of rape in respect of SW.

On 20 August 2010 both AA and SW went to a police station. As a result of what the police were told, a criminal investigation was commenced into sexual molestation.

On 31 August 2010, Assange was questioned about the allegations, which he denied. This interview is important, as it meant that from this stage he knew of the allegations against him. 

Following this interview, the Swedish prosecutor decided to proceed with the investigation. On 22 September 2010, messages were left with Assange’s lawyer saying that Assange was now required for “interrogation”, the second stage interview before a prosecution. 

(Assange’s Swedish lawyer was later to falsely maintain that the prosecutor had not tried to contact him. When this was exposed as incorrect, he then claimed that he was not able to pass the messages on to his client.) 

On or about 27 September 2010, Assange left Sweden for England. It is not clear whether Assange was aware of the request for interrogation.  However, his Swedish lawyer confirmed that Assange could return in October 2010. This offer is declined by the prosecutor, as Assange was then required sooner.

The Swedish prosecutor proceeded to obtain a warrant for Assange’s arrest on 20 November 2010. Assange instructed his Swedish lawyer to challenge the warrant and it is appealed to the Court of Appeal of Svea. On 24 November 2010 the appeal court upheld the warrant.  The significance of this is that the allegations giving rise to the warrant have already been tested in the Swedish legal system.

On 26 November 2010 the prosecutor issued a European Arrest Warrant (EAW). This EAW is certified by the UK serious crime agency on 6 December 2010. The following day Assange surrendered himself to a London police station. 

Assange instructed his English lawyers to challenge the EAW, and a hearing was held before the Chief Magistrate of England and Wales on 7 and 8 February 2011.  Assange’s barrister attacked the extradition on a number of detailed grounds.  However, in a detailed judgment handed down on 24 February 2011, it was decided that the EAW was valid and that the alleged offences would constitute offences both in England and Sweden.

The Chief Magistrate also heard witnesses on behalf of Assange. Under cross-examination, it became clear that Assange’s own Swedish lawyer had misled the court and Assange's other witnesses over whether the Swedish prosecutor had been in contact to request interrogation before Assange left Sweden. In a scathing passage of the judgment , the Chief Magistrate even accused Assange's Swedish lawyer of “a deliberate attempt to mislead the court”.

Assange then instructed new English lawyers to appeal the decision of the Chief Magistrate. This hearing took place at the High Court on 12 and 13 July 2011. Just as Assange had had the Chief Magistrate at the first hearing, the High Court was headed by the President of the Queen’s Bench Division. Again, Assange's case was being dealt with by a senior and experienced judge.

The High Court took three and a half months to consider Assange's legal submissions and in a carefully detailed and reasoned judgment dated 11 November 2011 the High Court rejected each ground of appeal. In particular, they held that the allegations in the EAW would constitute offences in English law.

The High Court even considered a range of extraneous material so as to be satisfied that the EAW even contained fair and accurate descriptions of what was alleged – see my post here for more on this.

Assange was then given one further opportunity to appeal. In February 2012, the Supreme Court heard argument on the technical but important point of whether the Swedish prosecution authority could issue an EAW. In May 2012, in a 93 page judgment of some 266 paragraphs, the Supreme Court held that the EAW was valid.

By May 2012 it thereby appeared that extradition was inevitable. All legal avenues in England had been exhausted. A number of the UK’s leading human rights lawyers had made detailed and complex submissions to a number of England’s top judges at three hearings, and all of the submissions had been addressed in three lengthy judgments. Few respondents in English legal history have ever had such an opportunity to challenge an extradition request.  But Assange had failed and the EAW was upheld.  A return to Sweden was imminent.

It was at this stage Assange seeks protection in the London Embassy of Ecuador, and on 16 August 2012 he was granted political asylum.  

It was just under two years to the day of the allegations being first made.

 

The substantive allegations

One common assertion by supporters of Assange is that the allegations do not really constitute rape or sexual assault. 

For example, Assange’s then English solicitor was quoted as saying on 11 December 2010:

Whatever 'sex by surprise' is, it's only a offense in Sweden -- not in the U.K. or the U.S. or even Ibiza. I feel as if I'm in a surreal Swedish movie being threatened by bizarre trolls. The prosecutor has not asked to see Julian, never asked to interview him, and he hasn't been charged with anything. He's been told he's wanted for questioning, but he doesn't know the nature of the allegations against him.

One cannot explain why Assange’s English solicitor should say such things.  Assange had already had the allegations put to him on 31 August 2010.  The prosecutor had asked his Swedish lawyer for interrogation on 22 September 2010. 

The same English lawyer was also widely reported as saying:

The honeytrap has been sprung. Dark forces are at work. After what we've seen so far you can reasonably conclude this is part of a greater plan.

These were remarkable statements by an English solicitor about a case.

The allegation of “sex by surprise” was a flat mischaracterisation of the allegations in the EAW.  The accusations were not of “sex by surprise”.  Instead, the accusations were as follows:

"1. Unlawful coercion

On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm. Assange, by using violence. forced the injured party to endure his restricting her freedom of movement. The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party's arms and a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.

2. Sexual molestation

On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity. Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her without her knowledge.

3. Sexual molestation

On 18 August 2010 or on any of the days before or after that date, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity i.e. lying next to her and pressing his naked, erect penis to her body.

4. Rape

On 17 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [SW] in Enkoping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep. was in a helpless state.

It is an aggravating circumstance that Assange. who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used. still consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her. The sexual act was designed to violate the injured party's sexual integrity."

The High Court held that the test of "dual criminality” was met in respect of each of these offences: they were offences in both England and Sweden.  The High Court even examined extraneous materials, such as the statements of AA and SW, to see if the allegations were a fair description (see my post here for more on the statements of AA and SW).

Meanwhile, alongside the mischaracterisation of the accusations were the on-going attacks on the complainants by those supporting Assange.  Various suggestions were made of connections to the CIA or that the complainants were seeking revenge.  Unfortunately there are even websites devoted to effectively “slut-shaming” the complainants.

But the simple fact is that the allegations do constitute a criminal offence in both England and Sweden. 

If the version of events of AA and SW is not correct, or if AA and SW are unreliable witnesses, then the correct forum for challenging such evidence is in a Swedish trial and not the proxy of English extradition hearings and still less heated internet battles. 

Indeed, the more emphasis which is placed by Assange supporters on the credibility of the complaints or the complainants, the more it becomes obvious that this is a matter for due process in Sweden and not for anything else.

 

The investigation

There have been various criticism of the conduct of the investigation. Some of these criticisms have more force than others. For example, it is not clear what happened between 20 and 31 August 2010 where it appeared the more serious allegation seemed to be dropped, only to be revived on or about 1 September 2010. It is also not clear why the prosecutor waited until 22 September 2010 to arrange for a date of the interrogation.

However, if any of these points amount to an abuse of process, then again – as with the substantive allegations – the correct forum to challenge the conduct of the investigation is a Swedish court room.

It is often forgotten that Assange has already challenged the investigation once in Sweden, but his appeal was rejected by the relevant appeal court in November 2010.  It was only then that the EAW was issued.

What has become clear is that the Swedish approach to criminal proceedings is different from that of England or other common law jurisdictions. The interrogation requested takes place at a late stage, just before prosecution. Assange is thereby not required for mere questioning – indeed, he was questioned on 31 August 2010. 

As the English High Court held (paragraphs 152 and 153):

Plainly this is a case which has moved from suspicion to accusation supported by proof. […]

In England and Wales, a decision to charge is taken at a very early stage; there can be no doubt that if what Mr Assange had done had been done in England and Wales, he would have been charged and thus criminal proceedings would have been commenced.

Some commentators have made the point that the prosecutors should come to the UK to question Assange. However, this appears to misunderstand the procedural stage of the investigation. Assange is not required for mere questioning; he is required to surrender for interrogation before any charges can be made and prosecution brought.

Assange has already been questioned.  The prosecutor has also told the English courts that the need to deal with the other witnesses and expert evidence means that the interrogation stage needs to take place in Sweden.  That is a matter for a prosecutor to decide. The allegations are about incident in Sweden, and in respect of Swedish complainants on the basis of witness and expert evidence in Sweden.

And, of course, it is not for the accused in a serious crime investigation to determine how any investigation should proceed. 

 

Sweden and extradition

Some supporters of Assange contend that he would happily return to Sweden to be interrogated, if only he could be certain that he would not then be extradited to the United States. 

The underlying concern is that Assange is somehow likely to be extradited to the United States from Sweden. 

However, this is the most curious of the contentions, as - even without any guarantees - Assange would be far safer from any extradition to the United States in Sweden than he would be in England.

If Assange was genuinely concerned about avoiding extradition, rather than avoiding the rape investigation, then properly advised he should go to Sweden without delay. 

And here there is also an obvious point to be made. The United States has actually not made an extradition request. Although it is reported that there is a “Grand Jury” investigation currently proceeding (and even that there is a “sealed indictment”), there remains no extradition request.  There may never be one.

It is not even clear for what crime the United States could indict Assange and apply for his extradition.  If it were an espionage or computer offence in respect of his role at Wikileaks then not only would he possibly have protection under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, the actual extradition treaty between Sweden and the United States prohibits extradition for political or espionage offences.  The treaty also prevents extradition where there is a death penalty.

In Sweden Assange would furthermore have the protection of any onward extradition requiring both the consent of the United Kingdom and Sweden.  Accordingly, any decision to extradite Assange to the United States would be subject to legal challenges in both Sweden and England.

In my previous post I made the straightforward (and I thought uncontroversial) point that any extradition of Assange from Sweden would be subject to international law.  This was in the context of whether the Swedish government could provide a guarantee against Assange being extradited.  My actual words were:

It would not be legally possible for Swedish government to give any guarantee about a future extradition, and nor would it have any binding effect on the Swedish legal system in the event of a future extradition request. 

By asking for this 'guarantee', Assange is asking the impossible, as he probably knows.  Under international law, all extradition requests have to be dealt with on their merits and in accordance with the applicable law; and any final word on an extradition would (quite properly) be with an independent Swedish court, and not the government giving the purported 'guarantee'. 

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Also Sweden (like the United Kingdom) is bound by EU and ECHR law not to extradite in circumstances where there is any risk of the death penalty or torture.  There would be no extradition to the United States in such circumstances.

My implicit contention was that any decision to extradite Assange would be subject to judicial oversight in respect of compliance with international law, as well as national law.   This would be because any decision to extradite would ultimately be under the terms of the relevant treaty between Sweden and the United States.

However, an American legal blogger has challenged me and has even demanded in a Guardian blogpost an apology and retraction from the New Statesman.  His concern is whether the government or the courts have the final word.

Unfortunately, it would appear that he made a simple mistake and missed that any extradition of Assange would have to comply with international law, and not just national law.

On this I am grateful for confirmation from Swedish legal scholars Mark Klamberg and Pål Wrange.

Klamberg’s view is:

…if there is an extradition treaty the Government is bound by an international obligation to extradite and it is only for legally sound reasons that it may refuse. An extradition treaty limits in a considerable way the discretion of the Government to deviate from the ruling of the Supreme Court.

Wrange’s view is:

To put it shortly, Green is right, but his argument can be misinterpreted (no need to develop that here, though). As Klamberg has explained in his blog post on the Swedish extradition procedure, the Government always makes the final decision. However – and this is a very important caveat – even if the Government has leeway under national law, it is bound by international law. Both the Swedish and the UK Governments have extradition agreements with the US, and these agreements provide that extradition shall take place, if the legal requirements are met. Hence, the Government could not provide a guarantee, without potentially violating an international obligation.

I am most grateful to Glenn Greenwald, the American blogger who raised this interesting issue, but on the basis of (and subject to) what Klamberg and Wrange have now said, I stand by what I said in my original post. 

 

Accordingly, the Swedish legal position is clear. 

The Swedish government simply cannot give any prior guarantee in respect of an extradition request which has not even been made.  It is a legal impossibility.   Even though this is a "pre-condition" being demanded on behalf of Assange, it cannot lawfully be given. Any "guarantee" would bind neither the Swedish courts nor the government itself should the United States demand extradition.

And the Swedish government is bound by international law in dealing with any United States extradition request (if one was ever made).  It would be a matter for a Swedish court as to whether the government was in breach of its international obligations in ordering extradition.   And this would be in addition to any legal challenges which Assange could bring against an extradition decision under Swedish, EU and ECHR law, and any actions against the UK government given that their consent would also be required.

 

There are a couple of short final points to be made about the relationship between Sweden and the United States. 

First, Assange’s supporters often refer to the dreadful 2001 case of Agiza and Al-Zery. Here, in an extra-judicial move, two men were renditioned by Sweden to Egypt at the request of the CIA. 

Is this case analogous to the Assange extradition? The first answer is that there is a distinction between judicial and extra-judicial activities – and Assange is wanted for a judicial process. Second, rendition is not extradition.  Third, the Agiza and Al-Zery case caused scandal in Sweden leading, among other things, to payments of substantial compensation once the judicial system was engaged.  It was an awful incident but it is not one which carries over easily to the Assange situation.

But in any case, it appears that in 2006 Sweden stopped rendition flights for the USA. This was reported in December 2010 following a disclosure.

The disclosure was by Wikileaks.

 

Conclusion

The above analysis is moot to the extent that Assange is now in the London Embassy of Ecuador. If he can get safe passage beyond UK territorial waters and arrive in Ecuador, he would appear safe from the Swedish criminal investigation, let alone any extradition request by the United States.

But subject to this, there appears two possible explanations for why he is seeking to avoid extradition to Sweden.

First, it may be possible that there is a subjective fear of being extradited to the United States from Sweden, based on the mistaken belief that it would be easy to extradite him to the United States.  However, as set out above, even if the United States can get round the First Amendment, Assange would have protections under the Swedish-United States treaty, under ECHR and EU law, and under the domestic law of both Sweden and England. Nonetheless, if he has that fear then this mistaken belief may be sincerely held.

But even taking any subjective fears at their very highest, unless and until there is any extradition request by the United States, then due process of an investigation into allegations of rape and sexual abuse in Sweden must be the priority, and Assange should return to face the accusations.  As it stands the criminal investigation is frustrated and unresolved. And complainants of rape and sexual abuse have rights too.

Then there is the rational explanation. In view of the significant protections he would have against onward extradition to the United States from Sweden, it would appear that the only rational (as opposed to subjective) explanation for his refusal is not that he is seeking to avoid any onwards extradition; it is that he simply wants to avoid interrogation and any prosecution for allegations of sexual assault and rape in Sweden.

 

David Allen Green is legal correspondent of the New Statesman

141 comments

Caroline Crampton's picture

Thanks for the comments, everyone - this thread is now closed to further contributions.

jankaas's picture

i can't see this being resolved any other way than for Assange to go to Sweden and get on with it. he has adequate protection from his apparent worst fear; deportation to the US.

and i think it rather bizarre to insist he could not get a fair trial in Sweden.

seriously, to imagine there is a plan B seems quite deluded. wishing it all goes away is just not going to happen.

rayhow's picture

David Allen Green is a liar, fraud and political propagandist of the lowest order. He claims that Assange has "already been questioned" about the accusations, when the reality is that he was questioned about ONE of the claims, because the other three so-called "charges" (absurd as they are) had already been ruled to be meritless and devoid of credibility by the initial prosecutor, at least until other Social Democrat Party propagandists allied to one of the claimants were conveniently appointed and initiated a campaign to have all of them raised again, and another Social Democrat Party political activist was appointed to be a the lead prosecutor and raised all the "charges" again at the behest of her fellow Social Democrat Party political activists (the claimant, the police interviewer, the lawyer, etc.).

Assange was only ever questioned about one allegation, and all the others had been dropped as devoid of merit when he was questioned about that one. Green deliberately lies about this (and many other things) and claims Assange has already been questioned about the list of four "charges" Green lists.

So Green lies, deliberately and baldly, about the facts of what Assange has or has not been questioned about.

Moreover, Green asserts that all the assertions of the Social Democrat Party activists aligned with one of the claimants, and who are in charge of the prosecution in Sweden, are unambiguously "crimes" in both the UK and Sweden.

This is supposedly true because the UK judge baldly asserted this in his ruling. Yet there is NO precedent for any such "crime" in the entire history of the UK. There is simply no empirical basis whatsoever for this bald assertion of the "senior and experienced judge" that we're supposed to consider definite. None.

There has never, ever, in the history of the UK, been a case where anyone has ever been convicted of "rape" or "sexual molestation" or any other such "crime" under a scenario such as is alleged in the Assange case. Never, ever. Not once.

But for Green, this issue is settled.

I challenge David Allen Green to show any case in the entire history of the UK for which anyone was ever convicted of "rape" or any other "sex crime" that corresponds to the claims about Assange here. Namely, a case where the supposed "victim" or "rape" or other "sex crimes" never said no, had sex with the "rapist" repeatedly and consensually a few hours prior to the supposed "rape", and where the "rape" amounts to supposedly the "victim" being "asleep" or "half-asleep" for the first couple seconds of the supposed "rape" and then consenting to continue being "raped" upon "waking up".

There is no such case in the entire history of the UK anywhere, and Green will not provide any example. Instead he will simply keep relying on the fact that a judge has baldly asserted this is valid, because Green is a fraud, a liar and a political propagandist.

Chris Topher's picture

Wow, it's a good thing you know so much about this case. I assume, based on your novel, that you have inside knowledge? Witnessed the interviews yourself? Have a connection in the Swedish police force? *Witnessed the alleged rape yourself?!*

Either that, or you're another commenter blowing hard about "facts" when, in reality, you know nothing more than other people's opinions intertwined with what you want to believe.

Compare this with Green's attempts at laying down the basis for this case in law and we have Facts vs Opinion. David makes no attempt to claim that he is guilty or innocent either way, whereas you've already made your mind up. Judge, jury and executioner, eh?

And you call Green a fraud? Laughable.

rayhow's picture

"laying down the basis for this case in law and we have Facts vs Opinion" - Talk about laughable. What Green is doing is cherry-picking facts that suit his agenda, distorting other facts or just lying to suit his agenda, leaving out lots of facts that don't suit his agenda, and then completely evading pointed questions when the answers don't suit his agenda. And all for the purpose of leading readers to make the choices Green wants them to make as Judge, jury and executioner. In short, he is a fraud.

David Allen Green's picture

Of the lowest order???

DCarson's picture

Your failure to respond honestly to any of the challenges presented by RAYHOW speaks volumes. Your articles on Assange are disingenuous.

You claim to be the arbiter of truth on this issue but you are very clearly biased and presenting a very selective and distorted version of the facts. Shame on you.

Chris Topher's picture

Amazing. Not agreeing with a view you've already formulated in your mind makes him biased?

Concurrently, writing an article laying out the facts on Swedish law and what's happened so far, while not passing any judgement on whether he believes him to be guilty or innocent, again, makes him biased?

I'm not sure whether to give you a dictionary or a hypocrisy stick to beat yourself with.

rayhow's picture

so clever...

I ask again:

1. show any case in the entire history of the UK for which anyone was ever convicted of "rape" or any other "sex crime" that corresponds to the claims about Assange here. (Heck, I'd even add any case where anyone was *charged*, let alone convicted.)

2. show where Assange "has already been questioned" about the four "charges" (especially the "rape" one).

I'd add a third question. 3. Show any other case in UK history where a suspect sought for "rape" has offered to meet and be questioned about those allegations and has had those offers refused in favor of a stalemate where the accused is not questioned for years.

I suspect you will evade all of the above requests, just as you evade all the inconvenient facts in your willfully dishonest propaganda pieces.

Sabremesh's picture

You can tell this is a shill piece by Green from the fourth word of the article - "serious", to describe the phrase "allegations of sexual assault".

And indeed the article proves to be completely one-sided. No mention of the disgraceful, inhumane treatment of Bradley Manning by the US authorities. Even if the Americans do not seek the death penalty for Assange, the USA's treatment of its political prisoners is an affront to human rights, and no civilized country should even consider extradition to to such a regime.

And since Sweden has shown it doesn't have any qualms about cooperating with the Americans on illegal rendition, Assange has every reason to fear extradition to Sweden - the precedent is there.

rayhow's picture

You are engaging in conspiracy Sabremesh, just as many were when they said Sweden's implementation of a series of new draconian "intellectual property" restrictions was all at the behest of the US. Calling such people "conspiracy theorists" was a good gambit.... until cables released by Wikileaks proved that the Swedish government was in fact carrying out to the letter a wish-list of new laws secretly demanded by the US.

See the article called Cable Reveals Extent Of Lapdoggery From Swedish Govt On Copyright Monopoly on falkvinge.net (this site doesn't seem to allow links).

Old Slaughter's picture

Manning is a military prisoner so that is irrelevant. Besides, why would he talk about the treatment in America when the gist of this is that he wouldn't face any?

Sabremesh's picture

Assange has every right to be concerned at the bizarre and inconsistent way the Swedish authorities have behaved in this case, not to mention their proven record of "collaboration" with the US (and also...ahem, let's not go there, it was a long time ago and the Nazis really got a bad press, right? Anyway, the Norwegians should have been "neutral", like Sweden, so they had it coming.)

The American assurances that they will not pursue Assange are worthless, so you have to be very naive to think that Assange isn't at risk of extradition to the US from Sweden. I don't believe Green is that naive, which is why this article leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

Anonymouse's picture

There is nothing "bizarre" about this case beyond the usual high profile defendant stuff (aka, more focus, as happens with everyone from actors to sports stars). I even emailed a Swedish law professor about the things you conspiracy theorists are calling unprecedented, like multiple victims of separate incidents from a single perpetrator filing at one, sharing the same attorney, allowing testimony from a former boyfriend, etc. I was told that not only are they not "unprecedented", they're actually common.

Not only has the US said they don't want him, but the British gave written assurances against extraditon facing the death penalty and human rights abuses, and the Swedish government assured the Australian foreign minister the same plus no extradition on military and intelligence matters. This is the most that can be done without pledging to break their treaties. Or do you not like states to respect their laws and treaties? Beyond all this, the Swedish court system would also have to agree, and the British courts, and the ECHR whose sole job it is to defend human rights.

Attrition47's picture

Ho hum, same old crap from the same old crap. What won't you do for money Dave?

David Allen Green's picture

Act for Mr Assange.

emirjame's picture

Personally I support Wikileaks & that is purely egotistical. It has been a great source and of news and of inspiration and of 'entertainment' over the lasts years. It presents a challenge & that is a positive thing that should be valued! What type of personality are you that you want the earth to stay flat - it is not safer that way! You can't explore cause you will go over the edge!

New statesman again's picture

Thank you for providing so much detailed information, but please provide your sources, if for no other reason then the backlash going directly to the source, rather than all being aimed at yourself.

Although always having them listed in general would be a huge bonus.

AAMVN's picture

More repetitive obfuscation from Mr Green.

If Assange were anyone else the Swedish police would have dropped this years ago.
The fabrication and destruction of evidence, falsification of testimony and deliberate media leaks from Swedish police, plus the defamation of Assange by the Swedish Prime Minister should be enough to end this charade.

Anyway - one hopes this really is the FINAL word from DAG.

Anonymouse's picture

Yes, there's always more focus on famous people. But it cuts both ways. How many non-famous people have the resources to flee, post massive bails, get huge legal aid, and get appeal hearings all over the place like Assange got, and a friend who runs a sovereign state to shelter them?

There has been no "fabrication and destruction of evidence", and FYI, a Swedish court already reviewed the evidence and fuled against Assange. This applies also to your "falsification of testimony". The closest thing to "falsification of testimony" alleged in a judicial record is that of Assange's lawyer.

It's unclear whether whoever leaked to the media was trying to help or undercut the charges, and in any manner, it will almost certainly be raised in the trial in Sweden in his defense. It didn't pass scrutiny in Svea.

There has been no "defamation of Assange". The prime minister merely responded to allegations that Assange's team had made *against him*.

AAMVN's picture

There is a lot of evidence online concerning evidence destroyed, collusion of witnesses and the leaking of the statements/evidence which only the police could have done. Anybody interested can find this by simple google searches and make their own judgement. The Swedish Prime Minister was not obliged ot respond at all and if really necessary could have responded without defamation.

No Swedish court has reviewed any evidence - that's not how they do it in Sweden. The police (mis)handled the investigation and issued the EAW unencumbered by any judicial review.

I repeat - no other person accused of similar crimes would be pursued at all under evidence as flimsy and compromised as Assange has been. That is the real point and DAG, Anonymouse and many others inabilty of refusal to address this is quite staggering.

hdonuts's picture

If you trust everything random politicians say, then you probably think that rape can't lead to pregnancy, either.

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good point ,i wont believe anyone easily after this a valuable lesson thanx ,

Craig Murray He at no point clearly confirms the "immense pressure from the Obama

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oh i should believe everything said by craig murray a politician? another valuable lesson lesson thanx

Chris Topher's picture

Craig Murray isn't a politician.

hdonuts's picture

Ah, but why then does the condom have NO chromosonal DNA on it at all, not even the amount that would be deposited on it from a hand touching it subsequent to that washing? I'm afraid you are simply not thinking this through. Only a tiny speck of mitochondrial DNA (ie the type we inherit through the mother line and which does not uniquely identify a particular individual, but that's by-the-by) was found on the condom, and that can ONLY come from hair or nails - not skin, not sweat, not blood and not semen. Ergo, no hand (or other body part) has touched this condom other than a nail. Think, Hdonuts.
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1 why is there a condom ?the case works better without this DNA free condom ?
2 stop explain to me what are chromosomal &mitochondral DNA
3 please reply the comment in the way i do , on the top rather than in the pile ,thanx
4 as i said ,maybe this CUTE AA just did some stupid thing with here forensic expertise ,
how about let assange face the trial ,let assange speak for himself .

Sandra K Eckersley's picture

How do you KNOW what the forensic evidence is?

hdonuts's picture

Cute AA? Oh sorry, she's your FRIEND. Yes, false accusations carry a potential sentence of two years in Sweden, I believe. Very serious. You must both be so worried and anxious for this extradition to be safely carried through, and then your friend's lawyer's friend, that nice Ms Marianne Ny can bung Assange in pre-trial detention while she strings things out a bit (to make it look good) and then arrange for the trial to be held in camera in front of some nice politically appointed lay jurors. It's nice to have friends, isn't it? - especially friends in high places and politics and stuff. AA is a very lucky lady to have such good friends.
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no im not familiar with assange’s type ,too much ,i want to see the extradition just for the rule of law ,the rule of law above all the rule of law above the whistleblower ,i want to be protected from those whistleblowers ,they are potential rapist ,
ms marianne ny wants to bung assange ? im not awared about this ,thanx for reminding me , do you know what instrument is the ms marianne ny prefer to use in bung assange?
1 forensic evidence ? in that case ,im sorry i can't help ,
2 imagination ? im sorry i don't see ms mariainne ny currying around hugging some dictator‘hairy legs
and the political jokes ,just too old and shabby , supposely assange stolen and published classified information form US govt have nothing to do with politic but the pursuit of US govt for the suspect is unendurable political and being political is a sin ,
guess what being political is OK , being political is not crime but rape is , there are politicans works for govt , if assange truly hate everything political ,
he should be a hermit not a classified information theft

Ian Michael Gumby's picture

While this is a well written article, there are a couple of things that I have to question.

First, the "dual criminality" isn't necessary. According to the EAW there are 32 charges which do not require a 'duality'. Rape is one of them. While this point was raised, the fact that the duality exists makes the case in Sweden stronger.

I also question why you limit yourself to charges regarding the posting and not the actual theft? If this were only about the publication, Wikileaks has 1st Amendment as well as a 1971 US Supreme Court decision in his favor. So you then have to ask yourself what has Assange so scared of the US?

In Manning's Article 32 hearing, it was revealed that Manning was allegedly in communication with Assange as he was committing the crime. I think if you check, this would make an extradition a tad bit easier.

Of course, one other thing that hasn't been talked about is what happens if there is no extradition request from the US? What happens after Assange faces the music in Sweden? Do they kick him out and send him back to Australia?

hdonuts's picture

just maybe because some CUTE AA did some cute thing about evidence so i'm clingling on a straw? you may think too much about that ,i for myself are fully prepared about stupid victim doing stupid things ,im not surprised at all ,assange's conviction is not depending on some DNA free condom ,let assange face the trial ,the trail not you or me is the judge in this case , for me watch liar's beady eyes blinking front of is natural‘treaty enough that i can barely endure, if the AA had not accessed to the condom laying garbage in her home as we presumed , a clean condom is exactly the case of assange's crafy charm,
you just proved my point ,that chromosomal DNA can be easiy romoved from condom even by a clumsy CUTE AA
the knife and scissors part i simply can explain with my stupid victim do stupid theory ,
in return let me ask you a question ,if the AA have those knowledge about forensic evidence forgery , how hard it was for the AA to know that she was not need to provide the condom?
if it's false accusation ,the without condom scenario works better, the authentic DNA soaked condom scenario works best , why go with the mitochondral DNA suspicious mode?
yes maybe you are right , a forensic proficient AA just did something really irrational and random to put herself in jail .

Ian Michael Gumby's picture

I think that the time and place to argue the evidence in the case would be when Assange heads back to Sweden.

hdonuts's picture

Ah, but why then does the condom have NO chromosonal DNA on it at all, not even the amount that would be deposited on it from a hand touching it subsequent to that washing? I'm afraid you are simply not thinking this through. Only a tiny speck of mitochondrial DNA (ie the type we inherit through the mother line and which does not uniquely identify a particular individual, but that's by-the-by) was found on the condom, and that can ONLY come from hair or nails - not skin, not sweat, not blood and not semen. Ergo, no hand (or other body part) has touched this condom other than a nail. Think, Hdonuts.
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there are few possible scenarios
1 the AA foreged it under circumstance ,
2 assange washed it thoroughtly (it can be done)
2 the mitochondrial DNA is belong to assange ,the evidence is to be keep for a long time
at last with designated target as in this case mitochondrial DNA does have some effective & value
stop accusing the AA forged the evidence with no evidence
1 force accusation is serious in sweden
2 i doubt that CUTE AA has any forensic genius, (chromosomal NDA of AA)

Arbed's picture

Cute AA? Oh sorry, she's your FRIEND. Yes, false accusations carry a potential sentence of two years in Sweden, I believe. Very serious. You must both be so worried and anxious for this extradition to be safely carried through, and then your friend's lawyer's friend, that nice Ms Marianne Ny can bung Assange in pre-trial detention while she strings things out a bit (to make it look good) and then arrange for the trial to be held in camera in front of some nice politically appointed lay jurors. It's nice to have friends, isn't it? - especially friends in high places and politics and stuff. AA is a very lucky lady to have such good friends.

Anonymouse's picture

You seem to have no clue what lay jurors are. They're not people in "high places". They're appointed by municipal councils, meaning people well known in *local* circles. This often means *local* politicians (council members, heads of local boards or committees, etc), but can be anyone from the community. The lay judge sysstem exists in many countries in Europe and is used as sort of a "professional jury pool"; as it tends to result in a pool of people who are statistically better educated and willing to spend more time on a case than the average randomly-selected individual.. The people are not allowed to turn down their appointment and average serving a day or two every month. Lay judges are not the only judges and only exist at all on lower courts; high level appeals are handled only by professional judges.

The Swedish system earns top marks for judicial fairness in international rankings like the Justice Project, FYI:

Arbed's picture

Those weren't the friends in high places I was referring to. Claus Borgstrom is the ex-Gender Equality Officer for the Social Democrats, wasn't he? His business partner is the ex-Minister of Justice. Marianne Ny is the Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the Gender Crimes Development Unit. Not to mention Anne Ardin's friend and political ally Irmeli Krans just happens to be the policewoman Anne took SW to see at the police station. I believe both Anne Ardin, Claus Borgstrom and Irmeli Krans were all politicians aligned with the Social Democrats campaigning for office at the time of these alleged offences, correct? I believe Marianne Ny was herself campaigning for a political appointment with the Moderate Party at the time too (not 100% on the details there, correct me if I'm wrong).

That's the "friends in high places" I was referring to.

Anonymouse's picture

In an interview inside the embassy, he told Telesur he believed the issue "will be solved through diplomacy", the BBC reported.

Assange added: "The Swedish government could drop the case. I think this is the most likely scenario. Maybe after a thorough investigation of what happened they could drop the case.

"I think this will be solved in between six and 12 months. That's what I estimate."

Anonymouse's picture

(So if you actually thought he was just trying to get a guarantee and not get the case dropped...)

hdonuts's picture

you are so full of knowledge of justice system,

hdonuts's picture

giles bradshaw (not verified)

let say assange's extradition case is a international matter under Government's jurisdiction (external sovereignty ), let the british government government rule the case , ask assange to respect british govt's authority ,furthermore ask assange to respect sweden govt's decision about if he is to be extradite to US 

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FerBar (not verified)

are you telling me the house of lord have no legislative function? this's funny could you please tell again ,what is the mainfunction of the house of lords ?
let me make it clear ,do you want assange to appeal to the supreme court or to the house of lords ? it looks to me assange has exausted exhausted every possible of appealing but the legislature, is this annoying for you ? oh let me ask you again ,what is the function of the house of lords ?

Lou63910's picture

If Assange is so certain he's innocent of all charges he should head back over to Sweden and prove it. If the US wanted him so badly they would already have him. I genuinely don't see why they would be that bothered. There have always been whistleblowers and the world is still turning with governments lying and cheating their way through. I've never seen any real evidence that isn't 'conspiracy theoried'-up that would convince me it's all a big setup.

emirjame's picture

Don' you see how much they "have" him already?? He has not been able to move around much for over two years now, his financial structure has collapsed, he is under immense stress all the time, his reputation is severely questioned by people who would otherwise support the goals of his organization.....

rayhow's picture

"If Assange is so certain he's innocent of all charges he should head back over to Sweden and prove it."

Yes, the burden should always be on the accused persons to "prove their innocence", especially when credible authorities have noted that the accused person's prosecutors/persecutors are using tactics that are "unreasonable and unprofessional, as well as unfair and disproportionate" to railroad the accused into prison.

Why he doesn't just walk into that trap and try to meet the burden of "proving his innocence" to effectively non-disprovable "charges" is beyond me.

hdonuts's picture

yes chromosomal DNA can be easily washed away from condom ,generally it's easy to wash away humanDAN attachment form surface of rubber ,the reason of this lack of vicidity is attribute to the smooth sureface of condom , do you think the condom has never been use ? the evidence is forged ?
you are calling the AA a liar ,please present your evidence to back youself up .
as the washed condom ,my explaination is assange washed it then thrown it away in AA'HOME ,it was picked out from garbage ,
i have AA's testimony to back me up
and yes there are mitochondrial DNA on that condom
yes it’s for someone else to decide not for assange not you not for me ,so let the scurry stop

Arbed's picture

Ah, but why then does the condom have NO chromosonal DNA on it at all, not even the amount that would be deposited on it from a hand touching it subsequent to that washing? I'm afraid you are simply not thinking this through. Only a tiny speck of mitochondrial DNA (ie the type we inherit through the mother line and which does not uniquely identify a particular individual, but that's by-the-by) was found on the condom, and that can ONLY come from hair or nails - not skin, not sweat, not blood and not semen. Ergo, no hand (or other body part) has touched this condom other than a nail. Think, Hdonuts.

Anonymouse's picture

Addressed further down; nothing you wrote is accurate. It's not "no" chromosomal DNA, it's "not enough that hasn't broken down to sequence". It's not "a tiny spec"; there's no assessment given of the physical quantitity, only that they were able to *successfully sequence* the mitochondrial DNA but not the nuclear. Mitochondrial DNA does and can be used to convict a person. Hair and nails have no DNA, mitochondrial or nuclear. Hair follicles, skin, and every other cell in your body have *both* (although nuclear DNA in gametes is only a half copy). There is no cell in your body that has only mtDNA. Both types degrade when out of the body, but nuclear becomes unusable far faster because there's far less copies of it. DNA begins to meaningfully degrade a couple hours outside the body if in a moist environment.

And most critically, the lab did NOT conclude "no hand (or other body part) has touched this condom other than a nail". That's a pure fiction concocted by the Assange echo chamber.

Arbed's picture

Yes, the "no hand (or other body part) has touched this condom other than a nail" is my sentence, not written in the report. I have read the actual forensic file. So I don't know where you get most of your sentences from Anonymouse, because they're not in there either...

Perhaps best to let readers decide for themselves and simply point them to where they can access the original Swedish forensic report for themselves. It's quite easy. Simply Google "Overlooked Evidence in the Assange Trial". It's attached as a pdf to that article with all the relevant pages of the pdf clearly signposted in the article itself.

Peter Withe's picture

A number of commenters want to emphasise that this is a political issue, and not a legal one. To them, I pose two questions:

1) The arguments analysed by Mr. Green are arguments used by Julian's own legal team, and by his supporters. It is important that anyone who supports Julian and WikiLeaks understands how the arguments fit into the legislative process, and how the legislative process fits into the political struggle?

2) Julian has been offered a generous treatment that the Establishment does not often extend to the enemies of Imperialism and Capitalism. The 'due process' Julian has enjoyed in the last two years was not shown to Bradley Manning, to the alleged committers of the 7/7 bombings, to Tommy and Gail Sheridan, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, or the Birmingham Six. If you believe the legal process Mr. Green describes is not 'due process', but is some sort of smokescreen to cover up the real significance of Julian Assange, I ask you to explain - what are the Establishment doing with Julian, and what is He doing with Them?

hdonuts's picture

FerBar (not verified)
you have to decide if you want the legislature or govt to rule assange‘s extradition case, take the pinochet case as a example ,the case was ruled the legislacture it is part of justice system ,it's not court ,and it's not govt , please ask assange to appeal to the legislature ,and stop compareing himself to another dictator ,this's annoying

FerBar's picture

It seems that you don't know either the English legal system or the Pinochet case. The case went all the way up to what was known as the Appellate Committee of the House of Lords, composed by the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary, the Law Lords, which in that time had the place of what today is the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. It was a judicial decision that the government, using the power that is has in extradition procedures, decided to not grant the extradition. What happens to the Assange case is irrelevant to me, as to most people, but the misconceptions presented here and other places (the Prime Minister mentioned that he had the obligation to grant the extradition what is simply not true) could be enduring. You are right, some people's writings (and their spelling) are annoying.

FerBar's picture

Assuming that the facts presented are correct, the legal analysis of the relation between international and domestic law in extradition cases is not. Extraditions are part of international relations of the States and therefore in most countries decided by government. This may lead to think that in the whole article there is some cherry picking, since in this point of law there is no reference to the Pinochet case, where another European country made an extradition request, not for questioning but for an accusation on crimes against humanity, the House of Lords ruled on the legality of the request and the government decided to not extradite somebody accused of mass murder. Missing this simple point casts doubt on the whole article.

rah111's picture

Good point.

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